Way to spam. (Metalica pictures)
And council #13, I know what you mean. MEDVOCK is basically saying that a yoga instructor could beat up a professional boxer because they have a little more flexibility.
To repeat myself, Maul has:
More experience.
More endurance.
Terrain advantage.
Kit has:
A little flexibility on Maul.
One hell of a fanboy to argue for him (look at one of my earlier quotes from MEDVOCK, I'll get it again.)
"Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Hehehe. I truly feel sorry for you. Nothing you or any other person on this board says will make me change my mind. You are merely continuing an endless debate. "
Originally posted by Council#13
Wait. Okay let's stop for a second. Both are very strong in the force. That pretty much brings them onto even ground. So let's say they're basically human. Now, are you saying that a fully trained, advanced martial artist who has proven himself in unarmed combat time and time again does not have the advantage in unarmed combat as opposed to someone who's hand to hand combat skills are rather advanced, but never TRULY put to the test?
But they're not basically human! They're completely different, in almost every way! Kit Fisto is a Nautolan and Darth Maul is a Zabrak! They're EXTREMELY different!
And they're extremely different in unarmed combat also. Judging by what I've read in Cestus Deception, Kit Fisto aims for fluidity in his technique, making sure the enemy has little time to react to his blows by landing one punch in after the other, without a wasted effort. Darth Maul is a martial artist, thus he is an all round great unarmed combatant, specializing in punches and kicks of all sorts. The way they fight is EXTREMELY different. Kit Fisto, as mentioned a couple million times, has unlimited vertebrae. Sure enough, this effects how he fights. His moves, as described in Cestus Deception, are completely unorthodox. Instead of following a certain pattern like Martial Artists tend to, Kit Fisto's moves are completely different from the other, although they maintain enough fluidity to let them flow from one to the other, hence his moves being described as “unpredictable” and even “irresistible”. Darth Maul, being a Martial Artist, already has a set of moves planned in the back of his head, such as a punch to the head, followed by a kick to the stomach, etc. Maul is limited when it comes to the moves he is able to perform, whereas Kit is not, due to his unlimited vertebra, and thusly is able to attack in numerous different ways. Thus, Kit Fisto and Darth Maul are almost NOTHING alike when it comes to how they fight. Having such a unique physique, the lack of martial training really means little for Kit, as his moves are so unorthodox that no true fighting form could ever match his persona. And if Kit wasn’t going full out on Asajj’s mercenaries, like Obi-Wan was (who struggled trying to keep up with Kit), then I’d love to see his full potential!
Might I also remind you people that Kit Fisto was described as a Carnival Acrobat in Cestus Deception, because of the way he was able to move so fluidly without effort, and Obi-Wan even recalled him as a “martial hurricane”.
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
But they're not basically human! They're completely different, in almost every way! Kit Fisto is a Nautolan and Darth Maul is a Zabrak! They're EXTREMELY different!
They're different species? No way. I couldn't tell!
And they're extremely different in unarmed combat also. Judging by what I've read in Cestus Deception, Kit Fisto aims for fluidity in his technique, making sure the enemy has little time to react to his blows by landing one punch in after the other, without a wasted effort. Darth Maul is a martial artist, thus he is an all round great unarmed combatant, specializing in punches and kicks of all sorts.
Martial artists are specialized in unarmed combat, meaning not just punches and kicks -- but using the knees, shoulders, whatever -- any part of the body.
The way they fight is EXTREMELY different. Kit Fisto, as mentioned a couple million times, has unlimited vertebrae. Sure enough, this effects how he fights. His moves, as described in Cestus Deception, are completely unorthodox. Instead of following a certain pattern like Martial Artists tend to, Kit Fisto's moves are completely different from the other, although they maintain enough fluidity to let them flow from one to the other, hence his moves being described as “unpredictable” and even “irresistible”. Darth Maul, being a Martial Artist, already has a set of moves planned in the back of his head, such as a punch to the head, followed by a kick to the stomach, etc.
A martial artist doesn't go into a fight, thinking "Okay, I can do this! Punch him first, kick him, then hit him with a Super-Ryuken-Mega-10X Uppercut for the victory!". It's not the video game Street Fighter.
A martial artist goes upon what's happening, he/she doesn't set down a move-list and say "Oh jee, let me do this", he/she goes with what's happening, and which is why, in a battle with another unarmed combatant, they are able to block their opponents punches/kicks/whatever.
Explain to me how martial artist x can block a move from artist y when they are using completely different forms? Even ones that they've never even seen before. They are trained to block, and especially mastering said form gives them an advantage, whether they are facing an "unorthodox" opponent on not.
I noticed Yoda's flying frog techniques didn't kill everyone they met. And, I'd consider his moves to be "unorthodox" as well.
Maul is limited when it comes to the moves he is able to perform, whereas Kit is not, due to his unlimited vertebra,
Is it that Kit has "unlimited vertebrae" or he's "not limited by vertebrae"?
It doesn't matter either way, just wondering.
Anyways, for the actual post -- we've seen Maul display great acts of agility and the like without having these "unlimited vertebrae". And, like stated numerous times, the fact he has unlimited vertebrae only accounts for the fact he can stick his head up his ass when attacking.
Okay, and Maul wouldn't be able to dodge these attacks from Fisto? Seeing as he is an athletic, trained combatant? Because Maul can't stick his head under his legs, it means he's at a huge disadvantage? The fact Maul has mastered Teras Kasi means he most likely knows, and is more experienced, than Kit.
and thusly is able to attack in numerous different ways.
We've seen Maul kicking Qui-Gon and defending against Obi-Wan's strike at the same time. Also, I'm sure a martial artist is able to defend against two attacks at the same time (see how they are able to defend against numerous opponents).
Thus, Kit Fisto and Darth Maul are almost NOTHING alike when it comes to how they fight.
Yes, Maul's a noted trained master of unarmed combat, Kit's a "martial hurricane" against some opponents. Have we ever seen Kit face a master of Teras Kasi?
Having such a unique physique, the lack of martial training really means little for Kit,
Right, as pointed out -- a yoga instructor can beat the living piss out of trained expert because they are more flexible?
as his moves are so unorthodox that no true fighting form could ever match his persona. And if Kit wasn’t going full out on Asajj’s mercenaries, like Obi-Wan was (who struggled trying to keep up with Kit), then I’d love to see his full potential!
I'd also love to see him fight a master of unarmed combat!
Might I also remind you people that Kit Fisto was described as a Carnival Acrobat in Cestus Deception, because of the way he was able to move so fluidly without effort,
Great. Kit is now a part of the "Star Wars Circus". Suiting for a clown.
Maul, without unlimited vertebrae, can move with great agility and grace as well, as we've seen not only in the movies, but the EU as well.
and Obi-Wan even recalled him as a “martial hurricane”.
Good for Kit "Fisto'fury".
And council #13, I know what you mean. MEDVOCK is basically saying that a yoga instructor could beat up a professional boxer because they have a little more flexibility.
A little more flexibility? Do you not know what an unlimited vertebra means? Kit Fisto has the ability to bend his back in any direction he sees fit! As explained in my previous post, this ability allows Kit to perform moves so unorthodox that Maul would simply not know how to react to them. Add the fact that it would also make Kit more evasive and thus give Maul a hard time to actually get any hits in. Kit could even use this to his advantage; he could purposely keep playing on the defensive side and continuously dodge Maul’s attacks until Maul becomes tired and collapses!
To repeat myself, Maul has:
More experience.
True, but the difference is; Maul needs experience to become more flexible and evasive, whereas Kit already has these abilities naturally. He doesn’t need to train for anything. As stated earlier, Kit’s unlimited vertebrae would make it almost impossible for Kit to stand by a certain martial art practice, as his physique gives him his own unorthodox fighting techniques to use in battle.
More endurance
True, but Kit has more evasiveness; he has the ability to dodge Maul’s moves; he has no need to withstand them physically. And even then, his large build would provide him with exceptional endurance.
Terrain advantage.
I still don’t see how this is so. Many of you keep thinking Kit’s some kind of fish; if he stays in the sun too long, he’ll die. This is not true at all. As proven on multiple occasions, such as on Geonosis, Kit is unaffected by heat to a large degree, probably as much as humans in fact. How does Maul have the terrain advantage here? He’s only been on Tatooine what, once? If anything, it only means Maul knows his way around better… but hell! They are in the dessert! How are they gonna get lost? And what’s Maul gonna do? Use the mountains to his advantage? Kit has just as much of an advantage here as Maul does.
Kit has:
A little flexibility on Maul.
One hell of a fanboy to argue for him (look at one of my earlier quotes from MEDVOCK, I'll get it again.)
No, Kit has:
-Unlimited vertebrae
-The ability to detect emotion and thus his opponents uncertainty
-The ability to dodge attacks physically
-An unorthodox fighting style
-Speed
-Strength
-Incredible sight
-Renowned courage
-The height advantage
-Medvock (to help prove the maul fans wrong)
"Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Hehehe. I truly feel sorry for you. Nothing you or any other person on this board says will make me change my mind. You are merely continuing an endless debate. "
And I still strongly stand by that statement.
Before I address your ridiculous points, let me post some things noted about Teräs Käsi and Maul.
Interview with Steve Perry about Teräs Käsi.
The Star Wars Encyclopedia (1998. Del Rey. Stephen J Sansweet.) has an entry for teräs käsi which states:
"Both a martial art and an Order. The Teräs Käsi were formed from the remnant civilians of a long-ago battle which devastated their home world of Palawa, a war which involved the awesome powers of the Jedi Council. The few survivors of Palawa migrated to a nearby world called Bunduki, where they decided to master mind over body so they may keep the Jedi use of power in check. The Teräs Käsi are thought to be sensitive to changes in the Force, and Teräs Käsi Masters are feared by the Jedi. But Teräs Käsi are not generally Force users as Jedi are: Teräs Käsi draw internal, personal power, while Jedi draw from everything around them."
Perry: Well Zan and Zu Pike (or Pikkel) aren't really bad, they're just mercenaries. Could work for good guys as well as bad. But the art is effective, and so anybody looking for that would tend to gravitate to it. It allows a weaker person to defeat a stronger one, so that would be attractive to women.
Now, keep in mind Maul also has the Force, and I'd say far more experience.
From Shadows of the Empire:
The holo had shown the two women mopping the floor with eight Imperial stormtroopers in some rat's nest of a spaceport bar. The soldiers had been big, strong, well trained, and armed. The women weren't even breathing hard when they finished.
It's talking about Zan and Zu Pike. Furthermore, it also shows effectiveness against armored ranged combatants. Notice how they dispatch Stormtroopers (okay, okay not the "strongest" of opponents, but still) with relative ease.
Power of the Jedi Sourcebook:
Practitioners of teräs käsi also study history, philosophy and metaphysics.
The actual training being broader than the martial skills alone, which may not account for much, but still -- it just shows how dedicated Teräs Käsi users were, and Maul obviously dedicated his time to it.
Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter (Chapter 1):
Using the momentum of the forward thrust, Maul dived over the collapsing droid before him, flowing smoothly into a shoulder roll. He came up twirling his lightsaber overhead, then stepped down solidly into the teräs käsi wide stance called Riding Bantha.
Maul spun on his right foot and shot his left leg out in a powerful side kick, slamming his boot into the droid's armored chest, stopping it cold. He dropped into a squat, spun the lightsaber like a scythe, and sickled the droid cleanly at the knees. Lower legs gone, it collapsed as Maul again twisted himself and his weapon, flowing into the form known as Rancor Rising. He brought the right blade up between Chain's mechanical thighs, hard, using his leg muscles to augment the strike as he pushed up from the squat to a standing position. The force of his strike bisected Chain from its crotch right through the top of its head
This shows us just the sheer power Maul has with his muscles alone, and when applying them into his Teräs Käsi moves, they obviously are intense. I doubt Kit's Nautolan skin is tougher than metal. Also note that the first lines state how he can perform moves fluently.
(Chapter 1):
Maul dived again, rolled up in a half twist into the forraderi stance, ready to spring in any direction.
Any direction. Also again notes how he's agile, and ready for whatever comes at him.
(Page 137):
The Jedi was obvioulsy a master of the Teras Kasi fighting arts as well, Judging by the smooth way he parried and counterattacked.
This one is talking about Anoon Bondara, and according to Maul -- maybe a master, or just a student, of the Teräs Käsi fighting arts. And, this also shows us how they can seamlessly parry attacks, as well counterattack in the process.
Now, for your delusional assertions.
A little more flexibility? Do you not know what an unlimited vertebra means? Kit Fisto has the ability to bend his back in any direction he sees fit! As explained in my previous post, this ability allows Kit to perform moves so unorthodox that Maul would simply not know how to react to them. Add the fact that it would also make Kit more evasive and thus give Maul a hard time to actually get any hits in. Kit could even use this to his advantage; he could purposely keep playing on the defensive side and continuously dodge Maul’s attacks until Maul becomes tired and collapses!
Right, as I pointed at Teräs Käsi artists don't tire easily. How is he going to dodged a trained professional's attacks? Again, the whole "unorthodox" bit means nothing, as we see Teräs Käsi practioniors blocking and counterattacking with relative ease.
Just take a real life example, can the most flexible person in the god damn world dodge every attack from a martial arts master?
Here's the short answer: Hell no.
True, but the difference is; Maul needs experience to become more flexible and evasive.
Good thing for Maul that he's already gotten the experience and training to become more flexible, agile, evasive, and graceful.
True, but Kit has more evasiveness; he has the ability to dodge Maul’s moves; he has no need to withstand them physically. And even then, his large build would provide him with exceptional endurance
You claim Kit "Fisto'fury" can dodge every attack from a master. It's concluded: you're a delusion fanboy with nothing but ridiculous assumptions. If he can dodge a master of unarmed combat's moves, I see no reason why he couldn't have dodged a lightsaber from someone who is superior.
None of your crazed assertions are supported by sources that seem to be just a tad bit (well, actually a hell of a lot more) official than you.
He’s only been on Tatooine what, once? I.
Several times actually. In the movies, once -- we see him go to Tattooine several times outside of the movies, however. Terrain advantage obviously goes to Maul, even it's as simple as the weather.
-Unlimited vertebrae
This means he can dodge everything, do whatever he wants? Kit isn't a god, so stop worshipping him. Maul's displayed acts of agility and grace fluently without this ridiculous "unlimited vertebrae".
-The ability to detect emotion and thus his opponents uncertainty
You admitted in a previous post that if Maul's mind is clouded by the Darkside, he won't be able to detect jack. Therefore quit bringing it up, not to mention -- Maul's cocky, I highly doubt he'd be uncertain of his skills.
Especially in this case, a master of Teräs Käsi, unarmed combat -- which we've seen him do great damage with.
-The ability to dodge attacks physically
Kit Fisto isn't The Flash, he can't dodge all of Maul's attacks. A master's attacks nonetheless. Quit saying "z0mg but k1t has t3h v3rti-BRA! h3 c4n d0dg3 all!///!!?!!!", because quite frankly, he can't.
-An unorthodox fighting style
And how much does Kit know of Teräs Käsi? Either way, Yoda's "unorthodox" fighting style didn't demolish everyone with relative ease as we see (or rather don't see).
-Speed
Awesome. Maul has speed too.
-Strength
Awesome. Maul has strength too.
-Incredible sight
Oh lord, how is binocular vision going to save Kit from a boot to the head? Maul won't be 50 feet away, his boot will be in Kit's face.
-Renowned courage
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Should I really even have to address this?
-The height advantage
Hm, he doesn't have four feet over Maul. If anything, it's not even an advantage as I could say someone shorter has just as many advantages (if you want me to list them, I will), but clearly it doesn't matter all that much, seeing as Kit isn't Goliath, and Maul isn't David (if he were, that'd only be better seeing as he David tools the shit out of Goliath).
-Medvock (to help prove the maul fans wrong)
I thought you were listing Kit's advantages. I'm no Maul fangirl either, unlike you who is deluded with the thought of Kit's Nautolan phallus.
And I still strongly stand by that statement.
Yes, proving you are a fanboy, who doesn't think of anything other than Kit's "member".
Well, I did have an account (which wasn't by any means an "old account" was only like Feb. 2006, and I still didn't even post much), but I can't access it for some reason. Keeps telling me to activate the account (which I already did), yet I can't get the activation code re-sent, but whatever. Sent a message to the webmaster about it.
Still, yes -- new to debating here, but not new to debating Star Wars. 🙂
Originally posted by Motoko Kusanagi
Before I address your ridiculous points, let me post some things noted about Teräs Käsi and Maul.Interview with Steve Perry about Teräs Käsi.
The Star Wars Encyclopedia (1998. Del Rey. Stephen J Sansweet.) has an entry for teräs käsi which states:
"Both a martial art and an Order. The Teräs Käsi were formed from the remnant civilians of a long-ago battle which devastated their home world of Palawa, a war which involved the awesome powers of the Jedi Council. The few survivors of Palawa migrated to a nearby world called Bunduki, where they decided to master mind over body so they may keep the Jedi use of power in check. The Teräs Käsi are thought to be sensitive to changes in the Force, and Teräs Käsi Masters are feared by the Jedi. But Teräs Käsi are not generally Force users as Jedi are: Teräs Käsi draw internal, personal power, while Jedi draw from everything around them."Perry: Well Zan and Zu Pike (or Pikkel) aren't really bad,[b] they're just mercenaries
. Could work for good guys as well as bad. But the art is effective, and so anybody looking for that would tend to gravitate to it. It allows a weaker person to defeat a stronger one, so that would be attractive to women.Now, keep in mind Maul also has the Force, and I'd say far more experience.
From Shadows of the Empire:
The holo had shown the two women mopping the floor with eight Imperial stormtroopers in some rat's nest of a spaceport bar. The soldiers had been big, strong, well trained, and armed. The women weren't even breathing hard when they finished.
It's talking about Zan and Zu Pike. Furthermore, it also shows effectiveness against armored ranged combatants. Notice how they dispatch Stormtroopers (okay, okay not the "strongest" of opponents, but still) with relative ease.
Power of the Jedi Sourcebook:
Practitioners of teräs käsi also study history, philosophy and metaphysics.
The actual training being broader than the martial skills alone, which may not account for much, but still -- it just shows how dedicated Teräs Käsi users were, and Maul obviously dedicated his time to it.
Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter (Chapter 1):
Using the momentum of the forward thrust, Maul dived over the collapsing droid before him, flowing smoothly into a shoulder roll. He came up twirling his lightsaber overhead, then stepped down solidly into the teräs käsi wide stance called Riding Bantha.
Maul spun on his right foot and shot his left leg out in a powerful side kick, slamming his boot into the droid's armored chest, stopping it cold. He dropped into a squat, spun the lightsaber like a scythe, and sickled the droid cleanly at the knees. Lower legs gone, it collapsed as Maul again twisted himself and his weapon, flowing into the form known as Rancor Rising. He brought the right blade up between Chain's mechanical thighs, hard, using his leg muscles to augment the strike as he pushed up from the squat to a standing position. The force of his strike bisected Chain from its crotch right through the top of its head
This shows us just the sheer power Maul has with his muscles alone, and when applying them into his Teräs Käsi moves, they obviously are intense. I doubt Kit's Nautolan skin is tougher than metal. Also note that the first lines state how he can perform moves fluently.
(Chapter 1):
Maul dived again, rolled up in a half twist into the forraderi stance, ready to spring in any direction.
Any direction. Also again notes how he's agile, and ready for whatever comes at him.
(Page 137):
The Jedi was obvioulsy a master of the Teras Kasi fighting arts as well, Judging by the smooth way he parried and counterattacked.
This one is talking about Anoon Bondara, and according to Maul -- maybe a master, or just a student, of the Teräs Käsi fighting arts. And, this also shows us how they can seamlessly parry attacks, as well counterattack in the process.
Now, for your delusional assertions.
Right, as I pointed at Teräs Käsi artists don't tire easily. How is he going to dodged a trained professional's attacks? Again, the whole "unorthodox" bit means nothing, as we see Teräs Käsi practioniors blocking and counterattacking with relative ease.
Just take a real life example, can the most flexible person in the god damn world dodge every attack from a martial arts master?
Here's the short answer: Hell no.
Good thing for Maul that he's already gotten the experience and training to become more flexible, agile, evasive, and graceful.
You claim Kit "Fisto'fury" can dodge every attack from a master. It's concluded: you're a delusion fanboy with nothing but ridiculous assumptions. If he can dodge a master of unarmed combat's moves, I see no reason why he couldn't have dodged a lightsaber from someone who is superior.
None of your crazed assertions are supported by sources that seem to be just a tad bit (well, actually a hell of a lot more) official than you.
Several times actually. In the movies, once -- we see him go to Tattooine several times outside of the movies, however. Terrain advantage obviously goes to Maul, even it's as simple as the weather.
This means he can dodge everything, do whatever he wants? Kit isn't a god, so stop worshipping him. Maul's displayed acts of agility and grace fluently without this ridiculous "unlimited vertebrae".
You admitted in a previous post that if Maul's mind is clouded by the Darkside, he won't be able to detect jack. Therefore quit bringing it up, not to mention -- Maul's cocky, I highly doubt he'd be uncertain of his skills.
Especially in this case, a master of Teräs Käsi, unarmed combat -- which we've seen him do great damage with.
Kit Fisto isn't The Flash, he can't dodge all of Maul's attacks. A master's attacks nonetheless. Quit saying "z0mg but k1t has t3h v3rti-BRA! h3 c4n d0dg3 all!///!!?!!!", because quite frankly, he can't.
And how much does Kit know of Teräs Käsi? Either way, Yoda's "unorthodox" fighting style didn't demolish everyone with relative ease as we see (or rather don't see).
Awesome. Maul has speed too.
Awesome. Maul has strength too.
Oh lord, how is binocular vision going to save Kit from a boot to the head? Maul won't be 50 feet away, his boot will be in Kit's face.
...
Should I really even have to address this?
Hm, he doesn't have four feet over Maul. If anything, it's not even an advantage as I could say someone shorter has just as many advantages (if you want me to list them, I will), but clearly it doesn't matter all that much, seeing as Kit isn't Goliath, and Maul isn't David (if he were, that'd only be better seeing as he David tools the shit out of Goliath).
I thought you were listing Kit's advantages. I'm no Maul fangirl either, unlike you who is deluded with the thought of Kit's Nautolan phallus.
Yes, proving you are a fanboy, who doesn't think of anything other than Kit's "member". [/B]
Pwnt!
Although I appreciate your efforts, nothing you stated was new to me. I am aware that Teras Kasi is a powerful fighting form, and Maul has owned many with it. But Kit is a rather different opponent. His skills in unarmed fighting have been mentioned very few times in the star wars universe, but what is stated is rather memorable. Obi-Wan regards Kit with Awe, describing his moves as unpredictable and irresistible. The book describes Kit’s moves as absolute fluidity, one motion flowing into the next, without a wasted effort. Whoever Kit touched went down. And those who went down, stayed down.
Right, as I pointed at Teräs Käsi artists don't tire easily. How is he going to dodged a trained professional's attacks? Again, the whole "unorthodox" bit means nothing, as we see Teräs Käsi practioniors blocking and counterattacking with relative ease.
Kit’s unorthodox fighting style would make it very difficult for Maul to figure out how to react to his unique moves. According to Cestus Deception, Kit can move his body in two and three directions simultaneously in order to dodge attacks. He may be no martial artist, but his overwhelming abilities in the force and unlimited vertebrae would make it easy to detect Maul’s oncoming blows and dodge them in time.
Just take a real life example, can the most flexible person in the god damn world dodge every attack from a martial arts master?
Hmm… good question. I honestly don’t know. But relating it to this fight is utterly ridiculous. Kit Fisto isn’t just flexible; he’s EXTREMELY flexible. He has also a very large build, comparative to maul in fact, so even if he is not able to dodge Maul’s every move he should have the endurance to withstand them.
Here's the short answer: Hell no.
That’s only one answer. There’s also; no, yes, hell yes, maybe, prolly not, dunno, etc, etc. I go for Dunno. I need to know more about this ultra flexible person to make a fair judgement. Like, does he have an unlimited vertebrae, like kit?
Good thing for Maul that he's already gotten the experience and training to become more flexible, agile, evasive, and graceful.
Unfortunately, though, he will never be as flexible, agile, evasive and graceful as Kit.
You claim Kit "Fisto'fury" can dodge every attack from a master. It's concluded: you're a delusion fanboy with nothing but ridiculous assumptions. If he can dodge a master of unarmed combat's moves, I see no reason why he couldn't have dodged a lightsaber from someone who is superior.
I claim that Kit Fisto’s vertebrae gives him the ability (note the use of the word ability) to dodge Maul’s attacks. I am not a delusional fanboy, I am merely using background facts from such sources as the Cestus Deception, AOTC and others to support my statements. Obviously, the use of unlimited vertebrae would differ tremendously in lightsaber combat. If you had just spun round 360 degrees to deliver a finishing blow, and suddenly you are slashed across the waist DURING THE MIDDLE OF YOUR ATTACK, how would you be able to react in time?
None of your crazed assertions are supported by sources that seem to be just a tad bit (well, actually a hell of a lot more) official than you.
I have this strange feeling that you have not read Cestus Deception. Most of my statements come from there. The rest is just plain common sense.
Several times actually. In the movies, once -- we see him go to Tattooine several times outside of the movies, however. Terrain advantage obviously goes to Maul, even it's as simple as the weather.
I still don’t see how this is so. Even if it is hot, Kit will not be at a disadvantage because of it. Read my other post.
This means he can dodge everything, do whatever he wants? Kit isn't a god, so stop worshipping him. Maul's displayed acts of agility and grace fluently without this ridiculous "unlimited vertebrae".
But the thing is, Kit has too. He was described as a warrior of absolute fluidity in Cestus Deception. No one could even touch him. His moves were extremely fast; Obi-Wan describing them as a blur to the human eye. He was dodging moves from every corner, with grace that awed one of the highest Jedi Master’s of the order. He somersaulted and span on his vertical axis as if he were a carnival acrobat, landing without even making a sound. How is unlimited vertebrae ridiculous? Just that alone gives Kit a substantial advantage over Maul.
You admitted in a previous post that if Maul's mind is clouded by the Darkside, he won't be able to detect jack. Therefore quit bringing it up, not to mention -- Maul's cocky, I highly doubt he'd be uncertain of his skills.
That’s to say if such a thing even affects Kit’s tentacles when detecting emotion.
Kit Fisto isn't The Flash, he can't dodge all of Maul's attacks. A master's attacks nonetheless. Quit saying "z0mg but k1t has t3h v3rti-BRA! h3 c4n d0dg3 all!///!!?!!!", because quite frankly, he can't.
You incompetent fool. If Maul kicked Kit, he could merely bend his back right over to dodge it, then grab his foot and rip his leg out of its roots. Kit HAS the ability to dodge all of Maul’s attacks. You obviously have not read Cestus Deception. And stop saying shit like that! Geez! Your attempts of making me look like a fool are backfired when you say that "Z0mG K1t R0x" crap.
And how much does Kit know of Teräs Käsi? Either way, Yoda's "unorthodox" fighting style didn't demolish everyone with relative ease as we see (or rather don't see).
Why would Kit need to know Teras Kasi? Yoda’s fighting form (IV) is well known in the Jedi Order, and is not an impossible fighting form to defeat. Due to his size and age, Yoda literally had to have the force empower him during his battles, in order for him to lay such powerful attacks. Although it is presented in a way considered unorthodox, his fighting form is far from it.
Oh lord, how is binocular vision going to save Kit from a boot to the head? Maul won't be 50 feet away, his boot will be in Kit's face.
Kit’s wide eyes allow him to see in numerous angles. Thus, if Maul comes from his right, Kit would be able to see this with ease.
“-renowned courage”
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Should I really even have to address this?
Adress what? Kit was renowned for his courage in battles. He was a fearless combatant and was known to face any enemy. Maul, of course, is fearless too, considering he’s a sith. But for a Jedi to be as courageous as Kit is quite something.
Hm, he doesn't have four feet over Maul. If anything, it's not even an advantage as I could say someone shorter has just as many advantages (if you want me to list them, I will), but clearly it doesn't matter all that much, seeing as Kit isn't Goliath, and Maul isn't David (if he were, that'd only be better seeing as he David tools the shit out of Goliath).
Even so, the fact that he is taller and has a larger build (he is bigger than Maul over all) may help Kit out someway or another. And let’s not go into this “height” debate again.
I thought you were listing Kit's advantages. I'm no Maul fangirl either, unlike you who is deluded with the thought of Kit's Nautolan phallus.
That....picture....in....my....mind.... EUGH! You sick... woman!
Yes, proving you are a fanboy, who doesn't think of anything other than Kit's "member".
Well, it looks as if Kit’s gonna need me for this. Considering I’m the only one here debating on his behalf.
Yeah, I stopped a few pages back.
Reason being is because the stuff he was repeating I had already replied to.
Medvock is just a fanboy troll. If Maul and Kit had a battle and the comic was released today, and Maul won, Medvock would still be arguing Kit's shit compared to Mauls.
Medvock's Arguments?
Unlimited Vertebrae automatically creates unorthodox styles that can most definitely put a professional thousand year Martial Art into the ground.
Kit Fisto is invincible and Maul would not touch the Teras Kasi Practitioner because he has unlimited vertebrae and Maul could never in a million years touch him - Even though he has previously killed four Jedi Masters using his skills.
Kit Fisto has awesome tentacles that can sense Darth Maul's clouded mind! Of course an Iktotchi who can read minds is nothing compared to someone whom can only dig up the ability to sense emotion. And even though the Iktotchi died from this, Kit would be unarmed because his NATURAL ability to sense emotions would suddenly stop because Maul is just such a special person and Kit would be unarmed by this because . . . Well . . . HE HAS UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE!
Yeah, and then you woke up.
Yeah, I stopped a few pages back.
I was wondering where you went.
Reason being is because the stuff he was repeating I had already replied to.
Because I had to keep repeating my arguments to answer your repetitive questions!
Medvock is just a fanboy troll. If Maul and Kit had a battle and the comic was released today, and Maul won, Medvock would still be arguing Kit's shit compared to Mauls.
I’d love to see Kit in action, even if he loses! But that would never happen, of course.
Medvock's Arguments?
Unlimited Vertebrae automatically creates unorthodox styles that can most definitely put a professional thousand year Martial Art into the ground.
In Cestus Deception, it mentions that Kit Fisto has an unorthodox fighting style, due to the fact that most of his moves utilize his unique vertebrae ability. If anything, Kit would outmaneuver Maul, by dodging his attacks and then hitting him with his own (as he did quite often in Cestus Deception).
Kit Fisto is invincible and Maul would not touch the Teras Kasi Practitioner because he has unlimited vertebrae and Maul could never in a million years touch him - Even though he has previously killed four Jedi Masters using his skills.
Kit Fisto’s unlimited vertebrae would make it exceptionally hard for Maul to get a decent hit in. And the fact that he has previously killed four jedi masters does not mean he can kill kit. I mean, did that help him in defeating Kenobi?
Kit Fisto has awesome tentacles that can sense Darth Maul's clouded mind! Of course an Iktotchi who can read minds is nothing compared to someone whom can only dig up the ability to sense emotion. And even though the Iktotchi died from this, Kit would be unarmed because his NATURAL ability to sense emotions would suddenly stop because Maul is just such a special person and Kit would be unarmed by this because . . . Well . . . HE HAS UNLIMITED VERTEBRAE!
No, Kit’s tentacles would not be able to detect Maul’s emotion if it is clouded by the dark side. It’s not because Maul’s special. I don’t get the last statement there, about him being unarmed, and I’m sure I’ve never said that.
Yeah, and then you woke up.
*pinches self* Wow! What a dream!… now where was I? Oh yeah! Proving Kit Fisto can beat Maul!!! W00t!
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
But they're not basically human! They're completely different, in almost every way! Kit Fisto is a Nautolan and Darth Maul is a Zabrak! They're EXTREMELY different!
And they're extremely different in unarmed combat also. Judging by what I've read in Cestus Deception, Kit Fisto aims for fluidity in his technique, making sure the enemy has little time to react to his blows by landing one punch in after the other, without a wasted effort. Darth Maul is a martial artist, thus he is an all round great unarmed combatant, specializing in punches and kicks of all sorts. The way they fight is EXTREMELY different. Kit Fisto, as mentioned a couple million times, has unlimited vertebrae. Sure enough, this effects how he fights. His moves, as described in Cestus Deception, are completely unorthodox. Instead of following a certain pattern like Martial Artists tend to, Kit Fisto's moves are completely different from the other, although they maintain enough fluidity to let them flow from one to the other, hence his moves being described as “unpredictable” and even “irresistible”. Darth Maul, being a Martial Artist, already has a set of moves planned in the back of his head, such as a punch to the head, followed by a kick to the stomach, etc. Maul is limited when it comes to the moves he is able to perform, whereas Kit is not, due to his unlimited vertebra, and thusly is able to attack in numerous different ways. Thus, Kit Fisto and Darth Maul are almost NOTHING alike when it comes to how they fight. Having such a unique physique, the lack of martial training really means little for Kit, as his moves are so unorthodox that no true fighting form could ever match his persona. And if Kit wasn’t going full out on Asajj’s mercenaries, like Obi-Wan was (who struggled trying to keep up with Kit), then I’d love to see his full potential!
Might I also remind you people that Kit Fisto was described as a Carnival Acrobat in Cestus Deception, because of the way he was able to move so fluidly without effort, and Obi-Wan even recalled him as a “martial hurricane”.
Alright, now you gave me another thing to work off of. Fisto (btw I have read Cestus deception) might be very flexible, but Maul has speed, strength, and EXPERIANCE on his side. To top this, (as you have said he's a Zabrak) he has an incredible endurance. Kit might have the advantage in one area, but Maul has it in FOUR
Originally posted by Council#13
Alright, now you gave me another thing to work off of. Fisto (btw I have read Cestus deception) might be very flexible, but Maul has speed, strength, and EXPERIANCE on his side. To top this, (as you have said he's a Zabrak) he has an incredible endurance. Kit might have the advantage in one area, but Maul has it in FOUR
Kit Fisto has speed and strength by his side too. As mentioned earlier, Obi-Wan describes kit's moves as a blur to the human eye. He has a large build, like Maul (if not larger), and thus would have a rather large amount of strength and endurance as well. Unlike Maul, Kit doesn't need experience to improve his flexibility and speed, as he is naturally adept with them.
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Kit Fisto has speed and strength by his side too. As mentioned earlier, Obi-Wan describes kit's moves as a blur to the human eye. He has a large build, like Maul (if not larger), and thus would have a rather large amount of strength and endurance as well. Unlike Maul, Kit doesn't need experience to improve his flexibility and speed, as he is naturally adept with them.
You have a good point. However, to all human eyes, all Jedi or Force Users appear to be a blur. He undoubtedly has a large build, and is probably larger than Maul. However, size is not everything. Bruce Lee was the world's greatest martial artist in recorded history, yet he was wiry, much like Maul. His size does not matter in the case of stamina and endurance. And true, Kit does not need experience to improve his flexibility and speed. However, that does not mean that Maul, just because he DID have to work on it, is not as fast as Kit. And I was not hinting towards experience of speed and flexibility, but his experience in battle. True, Kit has been tested time and time again with his experience in battle, but Maul has been trained since he was a child extremely intensely by the last remaining Dark Lord of the Sith. True again, Kit was trained as a fighter since he was also a child, but his training was much less thorough than that of Mauls, as the Jedi were trained as keepers of the peace, believing the Sith to be extinct. Maul was trained to kill Jedi and fight with the blade and undoutedly hand-to-hand combat.
Originally posted by MEDVOCK
Kit Fisto has speed and strength by his side too. As mentioned earlier, Obi-Wan describes kit's moves as a blur to the human eye. He has a large build, like Maul (if not larger), and thus would have a rather large amount of strength and endurance as well. Unlike Maul, Kit doesn't need experience to improve his flexibility and speed, as he is naturally adept with them.
Why are you still posting? You were DESTROYED.