Originally posted by Illustrious
It says [b]strength, specifically. "It will take all of our strength to stop him." That has it's own sentence. Nowhere does it, or in its antecedent, reference forces. You can add that spin if you wish.Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations.
See that? Elements coming directly from Lucas in the movie novelizations. So which elements came directly from Lucas? Surely not the whole novelization. The ROTS novelization has Mace slashing Sidious' saber, it has Kit's head on the desk. Two facts that are blatantly contradicted in the movie.
The bottom line is the movie takes precedence, and the novelization contains much the author's own point of view that does not come from Mr. Lucas. [/B]
And it still places novelizations above any other EU source.
And so...Luke was ignoring Tavion, the army of darksiders, changed the total topic of the speech which was about stopping Ragnos's ressurection to an outlook where Ragnos was coming back and there was nothing they could do about it? Seems a bit fishy, when he makes such a big deal about stopping the ressurection itself
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And it still places novelizations above any other EU source.And so...Luke was ignoring Tavion, the army of darksiders, changed the total topic of the speech which was about stopping Ragnos's ressurection to an outlook where Ragnos was coming back and there was nothing they could do about it? Seems a bit fishy, when he makes such a big deal about stopping the ressurection itself
No, because Luke started the previous sentence with "if Ragnos is ressurected."
And no, it doesn't place it above other EU sources. It places ELEMENTS from LUCAS as above other EU sources. Because Lucas is king.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
How about the worshippers of Ragnos? I notice there's no finger pointing there
No one that supports Ragnos manages to bash every other Sith Lord in order to bring up their character, sorry. Cool it.
Originally posted by Illustrious
No, because Luke started the previous sentence with "[b]if Ragnos is ressurected."And no, it doesn't place it above other EU sources. It places ELEMENTS from LUCAS as above other EU sources. Because Lucas is king.
No one that supports Ragnos manages to bash every other Sith Lord in order to bring up their character, sorry. Cool it. [/B]
It's still debateable if he meant stopping ragnos's ressurection because that's what his speech is about. And read what I keep posting:
"These sources themselves must be sorted according to an order of precedence. First are the film novelisations and the radio dramas. This material is acceptable where it adds to or simply reiterates what is known from the films"
And yet, Ragnos is continuously held as a measuring stick when all others are downplayed to him...and remind me where I downplayed Nadd, Bane, Plagueis, Millenial, Ruin, Kaan, Darzu, Shar Dakhan, Xendor, Ajunta Pal...
Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
IKC your forgetting that Lucas works with the authors for the movie novilzations. Hell he wrote ANH himself...
Ah yes, and that suddenly makes the entire novelization G-Canon?
No. Only elements specifically coming from Lucas himself are G-Canon. This applies to every piece of EU, even movie novelizations.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
and remind me where I downplayed Nadd, Bane, Plagueis, Millenial, Ruin, Kaan, Darzu, Shar Dakhan, Xendor, Ajunta Pal...
No, you didn't downplay people who were never brought up, but...
What a great thread! Ah, the memories.
Originally posted by IKC
Ah yes, and that suddenly makes the entire novelization G-Canon?No. Only elements specifically coming from Lucas himself are G-Canon. This applies to every piece of EU, even movie novelizations.
Stop ignoring what I keep posting:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/continuity.html
Where they do not conflict with the spirit or fact of the canon, other sources are considered. These sources themselves must be sorted according to an order of precedence. First are the film novelisations and the radio dramas. This material is acceptable where it adds to or simply reiterates what is known from the films.
This places the adaptations of the films above the other EU
Originally posted by IKC
Ah yes, and that suddenly makes the entire novelization G-Canon?No. Only elements specifically coming from Lucas himself are G-Canon. This applies to every piece of EU, even movie novelizations.
In a nutshell, anything created by the author would be C-level. Anything in the the novels created by George Lucas (whether it comes from unpublished early script versions, unpublished author interviews with George, or George's revisions to the novelization manuscript) would be G-level unless contradicted by the films.
-Leland Chee
So actually you could say the novilzations are both C-canon and G-canon.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Stop ignoring what I keep posting:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/continuity.html
Where they do not conflict with the spirit or fact of the canon, other sources are considered. These sources themselves must be sorted according to an order of precedence. First are the film novelisations and the radio dramas. This material is acceptable where it adds to or simply reiterates what is known from the films.This places the adaptations of the films above the other EU
Theforce.net is not canon, it is not the final arbiter.
The OFFICIAL statement on canon released by SW.com has stated that elements from Lucas are G-Canon. You can not suddenly make one source more official than another when it deals with something that you want to hear.
Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
IKC your forgetting that Lucas works with the authors for the movie novilzations. Hell he wrote ANH himself...Really I don't see what the novilzations have to do with anything anyway.