Superboy Prime vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Regular men do not crash into planets making craters, and stand up to keep fighting. While they were weakened, it's definitely not to the extent where they were "normal" men. As for the GL's.... we are talking about beings that have held supernovas with 1 ring. 40 to 50 of them making a solidified construct in outer space is nothing to sneer at. I highly doubt that SS would just break through this...light speed or not. This is a space police force, I'm pretty sure it's a normal technique considering they deal with cosmic threats...and to be cosmic, you need to travel through space pretty fast...

I wouldn't count on winning by transmuting the guys suit anyway, as the majority of his greater feats were WITHOUT the armor. SS would be dead by the time SBP weakened to the point where SS could do anything to him.

After reading IC, I really haven't seen anything outside of strength feats that SS can't do. SBP was a dissapointment. 😬

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Regular men do not crash into planets making craters, and stand up to keep fighting. While they were weakened, it's definitely not to the extent where they were "normal" men. As for the GL's.... we are talking about beings that have held supernovas with 1 ring. 40 to 50 of them making a solidified construct in outer space is nothing to sneer at. I highly doubt that SS would just break through this...light speed or not. This is a space police force, I'm pretty sure it's a normal technique considering they deal with cosmic threats...and to be cosmic, you need to travel through space pretty fast...

I wouldn't count on winning by transmuting the guys suit anyway, as the majority of his greater feats were WITHOUT the armor. SS would be dead by the time SBP weakened to the point where SS could do anything to him.

I agree. Even after crashing onto the planet they still showed evidence of having some superpowers

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Again, there are a lot of fights where transmutation would earn the Surfer an easy win and he doesn't use it. I would hope that there is a reasonable explanation for this other than lazy writing.

Originally posted by Thunderstrike
After reading IC, I really haven't seen anything outside of strength feats that SS can't do. SBP was a dissapointment. 😬

A disappointment and overhyped.

It wasn't Superboy's strength that broke the barrier, it was his momentum. He didn't stand there and punch the barrier, he flew into it at light speed and shattered it. Surfer has a comparable degree of density and invulnerability, and can fly just as fast. More than likely he can perform the same feat. When something that dense is moving at light speed, I don't care what it hits, it's getting shattered. Containing a localized thermonuclear explosion is one thing, stopping an object travelling at light speed is completely different. The mechanics are totally diffent. It's similar to the difference between a person's body covering the explosion of a grenade and the same person's body stopping an armor piercing bullet shot from a P90.

As for when the 3 Kryptonians crashed onto Mogo, at the speed they were travelling the full effects of the red solar drain may not have taken root, but it is stated that all three lost their powers and were fighting on equal footing, but Kal L (Earth 2) was already an old man, so the depowering had a greater effect. They weren't normal "humans", but they certainly wouldn't have posed a threat to someone as powerful as Silver Surfer in that state post red sun exposure.

Superboy Prime loses.

He's basically a Columbine Kid with Superman's powers and a battle suit to amp them.

Trenchcoat League of America gets the gasface. 👇

And another thing, when Superboy Prime was trapped in the "Phantom Zone", he was trapped by a "Phantom zone arrow", not a Phantom Zone projector. There's no way of knowing whether the arrow's properties allow it to create as solid a barrier between the Phantom Zone and the Earth Dimension as the projector does, and plenty of other villains have escaped from the Phantom Zone as well.

The Silver Surfer has proven that he can do pretty much anything. Yeah, it's cheap, but it's true. There are very few that can contend with Norrin Radd.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
This is a space police force, I'm pretty sure it's a normal technique considering they deal with cosmic threats...and to be cosmic, you need to travel through space pretty fast...

Or use wormholes.

Surfer can manipulate time, so speed isn't a big deal for him.

Missed ya, Avvy.

if fifty GL's cant do nothing to the kid what is silver surfer gonna do, he isnt as strong as him, not even magic effects the kid and even magic effects the surfer, and the kid servived being pulled into the speed force what can the surfer do compared to that.

The Silver Surfer could waste a 100 jobbing GL's and would have a far more believable way of disposing them instead of breathing ice into their general direction.

Originally posted by Mider
if fifty GL's cant do nothing to the kid what is silver surfer gonna do, he isnt as strong as him, not even magic effects the kid and even magic effects the surfer, and the kid servived being pulled into the speed force what can the surfer do compared to that.

Immaterial.

The 50 GLs' actions were plot driven and they didn't combat to the fullness of their abilities. That's not an issue here on the forums.

A smart GL could handle Superboy Prime head up. Their powers are based on will.

They could have:

1) Slagged his armor by emitting intense heat while others acted to contain him.
2) Use the rings to override his armor to emit red solar energy or reverse the flow of power from emit to drain
3) Contained him in an amorphous green glob of Oan energy that would negate his physical attacks.
4) Etc., their powers are based on imagination. I personally can think of many ways I'd have dealt with Superboy Prime given a weapon that can make my thoughts reality.

What do they do?

They create a green Great Wall of China in space that Superboy Prime crashes through, then they blast at him and get their skulls bashed in... 👇

That's right up there with Gladiator taking a deck of cards point blank from Gambit when he could have ripped his head off in .0000001 of a second.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Or use wormholes.

Surfer can manipulate time, so speed isn't a big deal for him.

Missed ya, Avvy.

Welcome back buddy. SS doesnt manipulate time to any real type of precise degree...and it certainly would be worthless as precrisis Supermen time travelled at will.

Didn't only Pre-Crisis Superman do that? Also, they're from different worlds, so saying "he's pre-crisis, so he can do this" really doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Immaterial.

The 50 GLs' actions were plot driven and they didn't combat to the fullness of their abilities. That's not an issue here on the forums.

A smart GL could handle Superboy Prime head up. Their powers are based on will.

They could have:

1) Slagged his armor by emitting intense heat while others acted to contain him.
2) Use the rings to override his armor to emit red solar energy or reverse the flow of power from emit to drain
3) Contained him in an amorphous green glob of Oan energy that would negate his physical attacks.
4) Etc., their powers are based on imagination. I personally can think of many ways I'd have dealt with Superboy Prime given a weapon that can make my thoughts reality.

What do they do?

They create a green Great Wall of China in space that Superboy Prime crashes through, then they blast at him and get their skulls bashed in... 👇

That's right up there with Gladiator taking a deck of cards point blank from Gambit when he could have ripped his head off in .0000001 of a second.

I've read a LOT of comics where I think of far better ways to get over on enemies. Unfortunately your thoughts or mine on that are fairly worthless.

What was shown. Superboy is far stronger than the wills and abilities of 50 GL's. Hal Jordan was taken out fairly easily. 2 Supermen struggled with him even when they were as you say "normal" and he pulled his best feats even before the armor showed up.

Surfer can amp up all day, he'll NEVER physically move planets around the universe at faster than light speeds. So fast that they seemed to materialize in their new orbits.

Even if SS destroyed SBP's armor and fired red sunlight, he'd be dead LONG before it had any real effect on SBP. Face it, he can't or hasn't even transmuted Thanos costume or pulled ANY of the tactics you suggested against the titan even when in a simple battle. SBP is just as merciless as the titan, and far faster/stronger.

SS loses this.

P.S. The phantom zone arrow warps you into the phantom zone. There isn't any if, ands, or but's about it. The guy punched his way out. Don't try to discredit him simply because you didn't like how he was written.

Originally posted by Dayscribe
Didn't only Pre-Crisis Superman do that? Also, they're from different worlds, so saying "he's pre-crisis, so he can do this" really doesn't make any sense.

SBP is a pre crisis character, and has shown that level of power.

I've read all of Infinite Crisis. He never puffed out stars, or anything like that. He seems more on par with Doomsday with flight, to be honest.

Originally posted by Dayscribe
I've read all of Infinite Crisis. He never puffed out stars, or anything like that. He seems more on par with Doomsday with flight, to be honest.

Imo, Superboy Prime should take this fight nearly everytime, if not, then everytime.

Originally posted by Dayscribe
I've read all of Infinite Crisis. He never puffed out stars, or anything like that. He seems more on par with Doomsday with flight, to be honest.

Doomsday has never moved planets faster than light or punched through immaterial dimensions. Hell, E2 Superman alone looked like he would have handled DD without much trouble.

Some people don't like the story because nobody was invincible. Had SS been there, he would have been written the same way.

He punched through the Phantom Zone, didn't he? Pre-Crisis isn't a level of power. It's a publishing period. Saying he's a pre-crisis character is basically saying that he's omnipotent, when he isn't. Didn't they say he's more of a threat than the anti-monitor? Yeah, that really happened. 😬

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Doomsday has never moved planets faster than light or punched through immaterial dimensions.