Seen that. Namor was truly Lobo/Wolverine-esque during Jae Lee era. 😄
You haven't SEEN savage:
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Originally posted by DarkCrawlerDooppee.
Seen that. Namor was truly Lobo/Wolverine-esque during Jae Lee era. 😄You haven't SEEN savage:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1275/namorrage16wv.gif
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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Seen that. Namor was truly Lobo/Wolverine-Esq during Jae Lee era. 😄You haven't SEEN savage:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1275/namorrage16wv.gif
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5848/namorrage23ot.gif
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/904/namorrage38nb.gif
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Ouch...all you need to do is add claws on that last picture and we have another Wolverine.
Damn I thought you hadn't seen that cover (I'd thought i'd shock you by going 'look a Namor you haven't seen' perhaps i underestimated your pure namor Esq bad-assery)
How about Beardy namor ?
Originally posted by Juntai
If a massive chunk of the Green Lantern Corp were getting mopped up by Superboy Prime, Surfer is definately going to have his hands full. Granted, Surfer is more powerful than most of them individually, but together, they should easily mash out Surfer.
Did the GLs scan Superboy Prime in a fraction of a fraction of a second and use their Oan powers to transmute his armor into kryptonite and emit red sunlight rather than yellow?
If not, they jobbed for him. A capable GL should be able to beat Superboy Prime so long as they can account for his speed.
I'd take Alan Scott over Superboy Prime.
Originally posted by illadelph12He was cutting swathe through them, their blasts, force shields, etc meant nothing to him, and neither will Surfers. Surfer definately COULD win, but Superboy's sheer force would overwhelm him most of the time, just as did to most of the Corp. Where Surfer or Gl, as noted in the way you say Surfer wins, relies on him using sideways tactics to hope to pull the victory..
Did the GLs scan Superboy Prime in a fraction of a fraction of a second and use their Oan powers to transmute his armor into kryptonite and emit red sunlight rather than yellow?If not, they jobbed for him. A capable GL should be able to beat Superboy Prime so long as they can account for his speed.
I'd take Alan Scott over Superboy Prime.
Originally posted by grey fox
Ouch...all you need to do is add claws on that last picture and we have another Wolverine.Damn I thought you hadn't seen that cover (I'd thought i'd shock you by going 'look a Namor you haven't seen' perhaps i underestimated your pure namor Esq bad-assery)
How about Beardy namor ?
The wandering bum Namor? Or some Namor from Jae Lee era (can't remember if he had beard then or not)?
Also I think there might be some credence to theory that the Surfer may not be able to gather the focus needed to do high-end transmutation in the heat of battle (this was first suggested to me by Leonidas). Theoretically the Surfer could end most any fight he is in by simply encapsulating his opponent(s) in Adamantium, for example. Now the reason why he does not (to my knowledge) do this a great deal in battle could be bad writing, that he has so many powers to pick from he just prefers to use others, or the theory presented above.
As to SBP's armor, I would assume (and this is only an assumption on my part) that it must in some way, shape, or form resist transmutation. There are several top level matter manipulators in DC, including the GL's, who should have been able to do what illadelph12 is suggesting if that was not the case. Of course, this could be attributed to bad writing on DC's part.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Seen that. Namor was truly Lobo/Wolverine-esque during Jae Lee era. 😄You haven't SEEN savage:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1275/namorrage16wv.gif
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5848/namorrage23ot.gif
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/904/namorrage38nb.gif
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I think Namor might have been juicing 🧑⚕️
Originally posted by Juntai
He was cutting swathe through them, their blasts, force shields, etc meant nothing to him, and neither will Surfers. Surfer definately COULD win, but Superboy's sheer force would overwhelm him most of the time, just as did to most of the Corp. Where Surfer or Gl, as noted in the way you say Surfer wins, relies on him using sideways tactics to hope to pull the victory..
I don't consider using your brain as a sideways tactic.
Of course if you blast away at an opponent you run the risk of getting your chest caved in. If you use your abilities in a tactical manner you're more likely to score a victory.
Just like in boxing, there's always a "puncher's chance", but a skilled boxer, more times than not, beats a brawler unless he stoops down to the brawler's level.
In a purely physical confrontation, Surfer would be overwhelmed before he could muster enough drive to compete.
All abilities at play (which is forum rules), Surfer beats Superboy Prime the same way he beat Mrrungo-Mu:
using his brain.
Every fight isn't a slugfest. I know that in the comic medium it makes for the best visuals, but it doesn't make for intelligent combat tactics on these forums.
Originally posted by TheKahn
Also I think there might be some credence to theory that the Surfer may not be able to gather the focus needed to do high-end transmutation in the heat of battle (this was first suggested to me by Leonidas). Theoretically the Surfer could end most any fight he is in by simply encapsulating his opponent(s) in Adamantium, for example. Now the reason why he does not (to my knowledge) do this a great deal in battle could be bad writing, that he has so many powers to pick from he just prefers to use others, or the theory presented above.As to SBP's armor, I would assume (and this is only an assumption on my part) that it must in some way, shape, or form resist transmutation. There are several top level matter manipulators in DC, including the GL's, who should have been able to do what illadelph12 is suggesting if that was not the case. Of course, this could be attributed to bad writing on DC's part.
When you're putting a new villain over as the new major threat, someone always has to job for them.
That's how comics work.
The GLs and Martian Manhunter jobbed for Superboy Prime. Of course they aren't going to depict them as calculating opponents.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Am I the only one that realizes Superboy Prime is one armor transmutation away from getting his ass kicked?This Flavor of the Month psychosis that afflicts this board is hilarious.
First it was Superman Prime was unbeatable.
Then V for Vendetta comes out in theatres and he's a top tier street level character capable of beating the likes of DareDevil and Punisher and on par with Batman (based on a movie).
Now it's Superboy Prime and Vulcan.I, for one, do not let popular opinion and fads disuade my use of logic.
Yes, Superboy Prime is powerful, but he has a very glaring weakness Surfer can exploit:
His armor.
With a wave of his hand Surfer can make Superboy Prime's armor emit red sunlight rather than yellow sunlight and transmute the alloy it's made out of into solid kryptonite. He's one of a few heroes with the powerset to pull off such a tactic.
Cosmic awareness trumps a Kryptonian scorned. 👇
I don't roll with bandwagons. They usually end up going over a cliff.
I've put a lot of thought into this "weakness" as well. Reading the last chapter of the saga though...this would not help Surfers case.
Anyway it's cut, SS is nowhere near the strength level of this guy and there is no speed advantage or power advantage. Flying through a red sun, destroying the armor and a planet full of kryptonite did not save E-2 Superman who does not have those weaknesses on this earth as well.
SS would not be able to break through 3 hundred mile thick constructs with ease, and if a few hits from Thanos ko's the guy. SBP would have no problem doing the same.
Originally posted by Mider
SBP can do constructs?
No, he was refering to this:
http://img422.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan00157fa.jpg
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I've put a lot of thought into this "weakness" as well. Reading the last chapter of the saga though...this would not help Surfers case.Anyway it's cut, SS is nowhere near the strength level of this guy and there is no speed advantage or power advantage. Flying through a red sun, destroying the armor and a planet full of kryptonite did not save E-2 Superman who does not have those weaknesses on this earth as well.
SS would not be able to break through 3 hundred mile thick constructs with ease, and if a few hits from Thanos ko's the guy. SBP would have no problem doing the same.
Immaterial.
I'm not disputing that Surfer is inherrently stronger than Superboy Prime. However, the course of attack I presented would work.
I read that comic also.
Superboy Prime smashed through the construct going at light speed. The construct was the collective will power of about 50 humanoid GLs. A being of his density and degree of invulnerability going at that speed would smash through it. Surfer's physical attributes, as far as density and degree of invulnerabilty, are comparable, so if he was travelling at light speeds into that barrier, which was the solidified willpower of about 40-50 GLs, then I think Surfer has a chance. Humanoid will power is only so strong. It wasn't like it was 50 Hal Jordan's creating a wall of will to hold back Superboy Prime.
The speed is comparable. Nothing Superboy Prime did would make me think he's faster than Surfer and would be able to tag him at will in combat.
Powerwise, brute strength isn't the be all and end all in combat. I'd rather have the power cosmic than the Kryptonian power set. The power comsic is far more versatile.
After Kal El and Kal L flew Superboy Prime through the red sun, they were all (all 3 of them) stripped of their powers, which left Kal L (Superman of Earth-2) an old man versus a pissed off teenage boy (SBP) in his physical prime. That's why he got his ass kicked. The direct contact with red solar energy canceled out all of them and they were fighting on equal terms (save Kal L was already a graying old man). That instance shows that SuperBoy Prime's armor is vulnerable to heat extremes, as well as Superboy Prime being vulnerable to red sunlight. All Surfer has to do is wave his hand and Superboy Prime's armor emits red solar energy rather than yellow solar energy, weakens him, and then it's lights out.
"Don't beleive the hype" as Chuck D once said.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Immaterial.I'm not disputing that Surfer is inherrently stronger than Superboy Prime. However, the course of attack I presented would work.
I read that comic also.
Superboy Prime smashed through the construct going at light speed. The construct was the collective will power of about 50 humanoid GLs. A being of his density and degree of invulnerability going at that speed would smash through it. Surfer's physical attributes, as far as density and degree of invulnerabilty, are comparable, so if he was travelling at light speeds into that barrier, which was the solidified willpower of about 40-50 GLs, then I think Surfer has a chance. Humanoid will power is only so strong. It wasn't like it was 50 Hal Jordan's creating a wall of will to hold back Superboy Prime.
The speed is comparable. Nothing Superboy Prime did would make me think he's faster than Surfer and would be able to tag him at will in combat.
Powerwise, brute strength isn't the be all and end all in combat. I'd rather have the power cosmic than the Kryptonian power set. The power comsic is far more versatile.
After Kal El and Kal L flew Superboy Prime through the red sun, they were all (all 3 of them) stripped of their powers, which left Kal L (Superman of Earth-2) an old man versus a pissed off teenage boy (SBP) in his physical prime. That's why he got his ass kicked. The direct contact with red solar energy canceled out all of them and they were fighting on equal terms (save Kal L was already a graying old man). That instance shows that SuperBoy Prime's armor is vulnerable to heat extremes, as well as Superboy Prime being vulnerable to red sunlight. All Surfer has to do is wave his hand and Superboy Prime's armor emits red solar energy rather than yellow solar energy, weakens him, and then it's lights out.
"Don't beleive the hype" as Chuck D once said.
Regular men do not crash into planets making craters, and stand up to keep fighting. While they were weakened, it's definitely not to the extent where they were "normal" men. As for the GL's.... we are talking about beings that have held supernovas with 1 ring. 40 to 50 of them making a solidified construct in outer space is nothing to sneer at. I highly doubt that SS would just break through this...light speed or not. This is a space police force, I'm pretty sure it's a normal technique considering they deal with cosmic threats...and to be cosmic, you need to travel through space pretty fast...
I wouldn't count on winning by transmuting the guys suit anyway, as the majority of his greater feats were WITHOUT the armor. SS would be dead by the time SBP weakened to the point where SS could do anything to him.
