Originally posted by IKC
To be honest with you, I don't believe that he was using the same attack. When he knocked Aleema aside, all that happened to her was that she went unconscious.The only theory under which I could consider that to be the same attack is if Kun wasn't pissed off at the time (because the amulet was described as using his anger to "unleash tremendous energies."😉
Even if that theory were workable, one who argues it would have to explain why it didn't so much as singe her but still had enough force to knock her across the room and into unconsciousness. That alone leads me to believe that they aren't the same attack.
A few pages before that you can see Ulic (who was clearly pissed off at that point) using his "deadly Sith amulet" against Nomi Sunrider and all it did was putting her on her ass for 5 seconds.
As it seems those amulets don't do that huge amount of damage against powerful force users even if they are able to fubar anything else (non force users, lesser force users, inanimate objects). I mean...we're talking about a force attack used on people who know techniques to block force attacks - they do have a better chance to block that compared to temple walls, Massassi in panic who casually got hit or a Sith beast.
@Illustrious:
The problem is that Luke's feats, however large, do not make him singular. As mentioned, he was able to control a black hole that the Vong made, a feat duplicated by Kyp.
He controlled multiple of that black holes and Kyp controlled one. That's not really "duplicating" the feat.
He was able to create an illusion of a ship, a feat duplicated to a FAR larger scale by Naga Sadow and Aleema.
Luke was able to make Vader's fortress, a huge spaceship and an entire planet invisible for an infinite amout of time. Don't tell me that somebody did something like that on a "far larger scale".
He was able to hack through a multitude Vong, a feat duplicated by Ganner Rhysode.
Again that feat wasn't exactly duplicated. The Vong attacking Ganner where first focusing on 1vs1 combat allowing him to slay a pretty huge number and then they attacked in pairs. And those were normal warriors. And Ganner was a state where he basically "was" the force or became totally one with it (or a living conduit for it - I guess you get the picture).
Luke hacked through an entire army of them, then took down several slayers at once just to finally kill Shimmra - and that without suddenly becoming a living force conduit - that was done in his normal state.
And don't forget that Ganner sacrificed himself to stop the Vong allowing Jacen and Vergere to escape.
Are you going to argue that people like Kyp, Ganner, and Aleema would beat Kun?
Oh come on. Luke is far above them in terms of duelling skills and force powers.
Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
I remember hearing/reading Luke can beat the next best NJO duelist with his offhand in less than a minute.
I guess that comes from the DN trilogy and if I got that right he suggested that he, while using a style he doesn't commonly use, handling his lightsaber with his off-hand only is still "as good as anybody else" in the order in terms of lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by Traya
Meh, tdtd, leave before you get pwned again.
Thanks for your irrelevant opinion troll, I'll leave when you start actively contributing to this forum without embarassing yourself.
And Janus, what do you want me to prove, that Luke's force abilities were superior to Kun's? Which ones do you want me to list?
And Deception nobody said Luke is more powerful than Sadow.
Originally posted by hord06
Luke manipulating a black hole is greater then Kun's amulet blast. With the exception of Sion, Nihilus, Zenoma Sekot and the ancient sith, Luke is the greatest force user there is.
Anyone else here want to show me how manipulating a black hole is going to help in a melee battle, when Kun can just whip off one of those blasts and destroy Luke, or probably just force pwn him like he did Odan Urr?
Odun Urr was weak and old and because of those things was unable to resist Kun's attack. And the fact that he manipulated a black hole shows how great his mastery and power of the force was. Kun's amulet blasts never impressed me too much and I think that Luke could probably block it or push it away with the force.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Anyone else here want to show me how manipulating a black hole is going to help in a melee battle, when Kun can just whip off one of those blasts and destroy Luke, or probably just force pwn him like he did Odan Urr?
My original point Janus, was that Luke's force abilities far surpass Kun,s and I don't thnk you can argue with that, but I sad unfortunately none of them would help him in a fight with any force user, much less a powerful one. Also if you're going to say that Kun can just whip one of his blasts and destroy Luke, or any force user, then why not take into account that he used his amulet blasts once and was afraid to ever use it again(We don't have an account of him using it again I don't think), so you can't just say "Oh he'll whip it out anytime he wants", since that's not logical. Why not just say he can destroy any force user with the blasts then?