Originally posted by Revolver Ocelot
So... taking over Onderon doesn't substantiate to anything.He managed to Force Push Vodo, but Yoda did the same to Sidious when they were almost equals
And Kun wasn't too impressive at this point.
Taking over a planet singlehandidly with nothing but a short lightsaber doesn't substantiate to anything? And in case you forgot, he force pushed Vodo...AS A SPIRIT
A few pages before that you can see Ulic (who was clearly pissed off at that point) using his "deadly Sith amulet" against Nomi Sunrider and all it did was putting her on her ass for 5 seconds.
Oh, you mean that attack that looked like this:
Yeah. Because that looks alot like a beam shot from a gauntlet on the hand that rips through flesh and stone.
Oh yeah. It sure did knock Nomi down. That's why Cay is pretty much falling back the same way she is, right?
Seeing what we want to see again, Nai?
As it seems those amulets don't do that huge amount of damage against powerful force users even if they are able to fubar anything else (non force users, lesser force users, inanimate objects). I mean...we're talking about a force attack used on people who know techniques to block force attacks - they do have a better chance to block that compared to temple walls, Massassi in panic who casually got hit or a Sith beast.
That's nice if you were even talking about the same attack. You weren't. They aren't the same, no matter how much you'd like them to be, as I have shown.
He controlled multiple of that black holes and Kyp controlled one. That's not really "duplicating" the feat.
Did he control multiple holes at once? And if I may remind you, big ****ing deal, it's just telekinesis.
Luke was able to make Vader's fortress, a huge spaceship and an entire planet invisible for an infinite amout of time. Don't tell me that somebody did something like that on a "far larger scale"
Good job with the irrelevant misdirection. I like how Naga Sadow increasing his troop levels tenfold with tangible illusions and nearly conquering three planets with them simultaneously is somehow beneath Luke's "feat."
I like how Aleema's comparable illusions, among which were giant Space Grazers, are also somehow beneath Luke's despite the fact that both Aleema's and Sadow's were used in combat.
Luke manipulating a black hole is greater then Kun's amulet blast.
Ignorant and foolish. Yeah, normal telekinesis (albeit on a great scale) is somehow greater than an attack that disintigrates matter.
Taking over a planet singlehandidly with nothing but a short lightsaber doesn't substantiate to anything?
Of course it doesn't, unless we know how he did it. With this logic, I could say "Sidious conquered the Galaxy with a paragraph and a cloak". Had you said "He fought through all of Onderon's military" or something... that would substantiate to being powerful.
And in case you forgot, he force pushed Vodo...AS A SPIRIT
That makes him more powerful than Vodo indeed. How much power did he lose in the 350 years as a spirit, anyways?
Of course it doesn't, unless we know how he did it. With this logic, I could say "Sidious conquered the Galaxy with a paragraph and a cloak".
He didn't take over the planet with a short lightsaber, dude. KOTOR II's items are hardly canon.
And anyway, he set himself up as a god to the backwater Onderonians. Only the Beast Riders stood against him.
Who knows... IKC, I'd say it wasn't "Normal" telekenisis, you're just downplaying it now, and while it isn't "Greater" than Kun's attack, but different, Kun's attack isn't his own.. The people on these forums need to stop downgrading characters they dislike and exaggerating the accomplishments of characters they like. Luke's feats whether or not they were duplicated, are beyond incredible. With the exception of the sith spell he used to freeze the senate, Kun's abilities go as far as his amulet takes him.
