Yeah, I've had enough of this "Yoda was way better than Sidious" crap. They fought, and were equal. Yoda didn't "win any saber locks" or "tool Sidious with his own lightning." They fought, and were equals, only, Sidious ended up not falling like fifty feet. Sorry, that was a bit off topic. I'm not necessarily saying, if Yoda could do it, so could Sidious, but, they were matched, and Sidious could put just as much energy in a force attack as Yoda, so don't underestimate him.
Anyway, when has Ulic shown anything as impressive as throwing around multiple senate pods at a time over and over? When has he ever shown anything as impressive as using lightning to disarm a nine hundred year old Jedi Master who is a senior member on the Jedi council? I'm sure the list goes on. Ulic simply has not shown us as much skill in the force as Sidious has, never mind adding Malak to the equation.
I was referencing the Ragnos point inasmuch as Jollyjim apparently thinks one needs to perform feats to be good in the Force. As Ragnos proves out, such is a fallacious and ignorant argument.
And Sidious was clearly overpowered by Yoda in the final Force battle. Watch his facial expressions, he goes from laughing like a nutjob to pure horror as Yoda pushes forward. He still put up a good showing.
Ok IKC but as you, Illustrious and Janus said, his face expressions mean nothing, because I was trying to make the same argument. He was being overpowered at the end but he proved to be an equal match for Yoda more or less.
And I think Jim's point was my point, you have a bunch of ambiguous quotes, and the Ragnos quote doesn't improve your argument since it was definite.
Originally posted by IKC
I was referencing the Ragnos point inasmuch as Jollyjim apparently thinks one needs to perform feats to be good in the Force. As Ragnos proves out, such is a fallacious and ignorant argument.And Sidious was clearly overpowered by Yoda in the final Force battle. Watch his facial expressions, he goes from laughing like a nutjob to pure horror as Yoda pushes forward. He still put up a good showing.
So we should just assume that Ulic would win, because he is cool? As tdtd said, Ragnos didn't need to show force power, he was described as the most powerful of the most powerful, what more do you need?
Umm, Sidious was surprised that Yoda could contend with him. He pushed back with his own energy and they both went flying. This was like Anakin and Obi Wan trying to force-push each other. Equal. Did you not see the final outcome?
needs to perform feats to be good in the Force. As Ragnos proves out, such is a fallacious and ignorant argument.
Lets see, in Jedi academy there is proof that Ragnos possessed a scepter that was capable of draining entire planets. Again a feat that supports his great strength.
Sadow and Kressh were afraid of confronting Ragnos one on one. Considering Sadow PWNS DN Luke, there is the evidence to support that Ragnos was near godlike.
Again, Ulic cannot receive the same benefit of the doubt as Ragnos to his force abilities.
Predictable response Janus, except for the fact that I've given a good argument as to why putting Ulic above those two is ridiculous and biased, jollyjim had a good argument, etc.. I don't see any baseless accusations, or getting off track.. All I see is "omgz TOTJ rules everybody who doesn't think so is wrong". I'm still waiting for IKC to quantify Ulic's force power in regards to what is said about him. There is absolutely NOTHING that suggests Ulic is more powerful in the force than either Malak or Sidious, stating otherwise would be an unsupported(and probably biased)assumption.
You're a good guy Janus, and a respected member of this forum, but at least recognize good arguments when you see them, even if it's against TOTJ, and be open to both sides...
Originally posted by tdtd
I wouldn't say Sadow PWNS DN Luke, he would win more times than not but PWNS is an exaggeration. I shall return in 2 days, after passover is over, to continue this wonderful debate with you guys.
Sadow's demonstrated feats are above Luke's by a good margin. He was able to literally overwhelm the forces of three entire planets by the power of his illusions. Someone able to "see the galaxy in his mind's eye" certainly is very powerful.
You can argue anything until you're blue in the face, but if anyone pwns DN Luke, it's an ancient Sith like Sadow.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
Of course, but then you'd blow Luke if given the chance, so i'm not surprised.
Yea I'd blow Luke as often as you verbally fellate Kun. Way to dodge my post.. As far as I'm concerned, anybody can verbally fellate anyone else as long as a good argument is presented. What I see on this forum(and I admit to doing it, which doesn't say much for the majority of this forum), consists of bias and ignorance. Very few of you actually look at both sides as opposed to just saying "My favorite character wins".