Originally posted by golem370Actually in their first fight the same thing happened when Colossus fought Gladiator. Colossus was kicking Juggies @ss until building collapsed on Colossus.
Two things to consister One I saw Colossus go toe to toe with Gladiator and the fight only stopped when a structure fell on both and k.o'ed Colossus. But Juggernaut beat Colossus with what 1 or 2 shots
Originally posted by Soleran
You have no "proof" he has unlimited strength, none, zero.
Juggernaut has unfettered access to all of this energy. As Stevie proved for the brief time he had the powers, as well as the entity that possessed Juggs during the Trion storyline, the only limit to how much, or even "how" the power can be used, is up to the one that is in posession of it.
I can use a fraction of my strength right now, and that doesn'tmean that is the total of what I am capable. I can lift some weights and list some serious iron, and "feel" like it is my limit, but it might now be.
I am not going to say that Juggs is always throwing around unlimited strength and power, because that would be a lie.
But, yes, he does have access to it, and has show its effects before.
And, if we are using the best showings of these characters, Juggernaut wins. His most powerful showings may be unusual for him, but they still use the power he has access to, and nothing else. He just happens to tap them better than usual.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Hey "Funny Boy". The Cyttorak power is limitless. It fills an entire dimension, and has been quoted as limitless by writers and characters such as Dr. Strange.
I think if it is stated by Dr.Strange, it is solid. He is pretty much the pre-eminent authority in comic bokks on other dimensional powers, entities, etc.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Hey "Funny Boy". The Cyttorak power is limitless. It fills an entire dimension, and has been quoted as limitless by writers and characters such as Dr. Strange.
I think if it is stated by Dr.Strange, it is solid. He is pretty much the pre-eminent authority in comic bokks on other dimensional powers, entities, etc.Juggernaut has unfettered access to all of this energy. As Stevie proved for the brief time he had the powers, as well as the entity that possessed Juggs during the Trion storyline, the only limit to how much, or even "how" the power can be used, is up to the one that is in posession of it.
I can use a fraction of my strength right now, and that doesn'tmean that is the total of what I am capable. I can lift some weights and list some serious iron, and "feel" like it is my limit, but it might now be.
I am not going to say that Juggs is always throwing around unlimited strength and power, because that would be a lie.
But, yes, he does have access to it, and has show its effects before.
And, if we are using the best showings of these characters, Juggernaut wins. His most powerful showings may be unusual for him, but they still use the power he has access to, and nothing else. He just happens to tap them better than usual.
Characters quotes are useless. Only feats or writer's narrations are allowed as proof.
Show proof that Cyttorak's power is unlimited (meaning infinite)
When you do, congratulations, you just proven that TOAA power=Cyttorak power which is nonsense since TOAA power>>>Cyttorak power.
And after that show proof that Juggs can access any amount of it.
Then after that show proof that Juggs can access enough before DD brain rocks him unconscience in a nano second.
Originally posted by h1a8
Characters quotes are useless. Only feats or writer's narrations are allowed as proof.Show proof that Cyttorak's power is unlimited (meaning infinite)
When you do, congratulations, you just proven that TOAA power=Cyttorak power which is nonsense since TOAA power>>>Cyttorak power.And after that show proof that Juggs can access any amount of it.
Then after that show proof that Juggs can access enough before DD brain rocks him unconscience in a nano second.
I belive his Bio's stae he's invulnerable and has limitless power ?
Could be wrong though
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Otherwise that scan is full of s'hit
Plus add that to the fact that I've never seen Juggs call upon any more power from cyttorak. Maybe they changed their minds about this.
To establish something is to show it. Otherwise it is all speculation and no proof. Even if a writer plans to show something, he can still change his mind. Thus never showing it.
Who wrote that response anyway in the scan?
Never forget that
In this forum only feats and narration are proof and evidence
Not responses from writers to fans
Ok, how do we know that DD is able to speedblitz? Do you have proof? Did you time him? Or are u saying he is fast, because characters in the comic books said he is fast?
How do we know that he is super strong? Did you watch him lift weights?
Did somebody in a comic book say that he has these abilities? If so, they must be full of sh**.
Just using your logic.
Originally posted by h1a8feats arent everything
If cyttorak has limitless power (or infinite power) then cyttorak=TOAAOtherwise that scan is full of s'hit
Plus add that to the fact that I've never seen Juggs call upon any more power from cyttorak. Maybe they changed their minds about this.
To establish something is to show it. Otherwise it is all speculation and no proof. Even if a writer plans to show something, he can still change his mind. Thus never showing it.Who wrote that response anyway in the scan?
Never forget that
In this forum only feats and narration are proof and evidence
Not responses from writers to fans
Originally posted by Horrificus
Ok, how do we know that DD is able to speedblitz? Do you have proof? Did you time him? Or are u saying he is fast, because characters in the comic books said he is fast?
How do we know that he is super strong? Did you watch him lift weights?
Did somebody in a comic book say that he has these abilities? If so, they must be full of sh**.
Just using your logic.
Knocking five character's out simultaneously shows him speedblizting
As well as knocking Superman, WW, and Flash before they can respond
As well as covering over a mile before Darkseid could turn around and blink, As well as catching up to Flash in mid run.
There are many other examples as well
We know that he is mega strong by the fact of how he penetrated superman like tissue paper, broke superman's arm with ease, lift a very heavy apokalips structure like nothing, throw a car almost into outer space (before superman caught it), knock supeman over a mile away, jump 50 miles length at a time, etc, etc...
Originally posted by h1a8Plus add that to the fact that I've never seen Juggs call upon any more power from cyttorak.
Check the Juggernaut Respect Thread, there is a link to a Juggernaut fan site, I believe the comic you are looking for is a Dr Strange comic, it shows Juggernaut letting lose mystic blasts and such. I would link you but Im lazy.
Originally posted by h1a8
If cyttorak has limitless power (or infinite power) then cyttorak=TOAAOtherwise that scan is full of s'hit
Plus add that to the fact that I've never seen Juggs call upon any more power from cyttorak. Maybe they changed their minds about this.
To establish something is to show it. Otherwise it is all speculation and no proof. Even if a writer plans to show something, he can still change his mind. Thus never showing it.Who wrote that response anyway in the scan?
Never forget that
In this forum only feats and narration are proof and evidence
Not responses from writers to fans
Just because a character is said to have a limitless amount of power that doesn't mean he equals TOAA. Odin, Thanos, Galactus, RKT etc have been said to have a limitless power, but that doesn't automatically make them as powerful as TOAA.
Originally posted by h1a8
If cyttorak has limitless power (or infinite power) then cyttorak=TOAAOtherwise that scan is full of s'hit
Plus add that to the fact that I've never seen Juggs call upon any more power from cyttorak. Maybe they changed their minds about this.
To establish something is to show it. Otherwise it is all speculation and no proof. Even if a writer plans to show something, he can still change his mind. Thus never showing it.Who wrote that response anyway in the scan?
Never forget that
In this forum only feats and narration are proof and evidence
Not responses from writers to fans
Well said Souja.
Plus because you have limitless power, TOAA or God can still remove that power and do whatever he wants with you.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
- Current opinion around MHQ. Does that include everyone who has nothing to do with the actual content of the comic? Who the hell knows.
- 1994
- Not an official statement by a writer nor a Marvel official.
- Another letter from 1997 proved that "current opinion" had changed a bit. Besides, what does opinion even mean?
- This whole unlimited strength thing is not showing on panel. Only that Juggernaut is very, very strong. But we all knew that already.
- How does Marvel feel about this right now?
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So until we are absolutely sure about what Marvel thinks of this, the letter above is pretty much useless as prime evidence. I already admitted it was a step in the right direction, but a very small one. And since ed's notes like this one calls for a lot of answers, the actual on panel evidence is what counts. Or an official statement. But we've seen neither.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Just because a character is said to have a limitless amount of power that doesn't mean he equals TOAA. Odin, Thanos, Galactus, RKT etc have been said to have a limitless power, but that doesn't automatically make them as powerful as TOAA.
That is my point. It is said that certain characters have limitless (infinite) power when in comic actually they don't. For example, Thano's shield could only hold up to one Galactus blast, Thor's hammer blow, etc. Thus there is no way for Thanos to have infinite power.
Other's like Odin couldn't ever get beat (unless you take their powers away) if they had limitless power. But they have been beat without their powers not being taken away.
The only proof of one having limitless power is the narration combined with no counter feats exists showing otherwise.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
- Current opinion around MHQ. Does that include everyone who has nothing to do with the actual content of the comic? Who the hell knows.- 1994
- Not an official statement by a writer nor a Marvel official.
- Another letter from 1997 proved that "current opinion" had changed a bit. Besides, what does opinion even mean?
- This whole unlimited strength thing is not showing on panel. Only that Juggernaut is very, very strong. But we all knew that already.
- How does Marvel feel about this right now?
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So until we are absolutely sure about what Marvel thinks of this, the letter above is pretty much useless as prime evidence. I already admitted it was a step in the right direction, but a very small one. And since ed's notes like this one calls for a lot of answers, the actual on panel evidence is what counts. Or an official statement. But we've seen neither.
Sure, the only reason you object is because this article puts Juggernauts strength on par with the Hulk's. 🙄
Originally posted by h1a8
That is my point. It is said that certain characters have limitless (infinite) power when in comic actually they don't.
I think this is where you are getting confused, limitless and infinite are two different things. Limitless is an ever increasing amount of power, an infinite amount of power is extending beyond, lying beyond, or existing beyond any amount of of preassigned power however large.
To make things easier infinity is not a number but a concept, very few people in comics have an infinite amount of power, but those who possess limitless power, or just limitless strength or speed are more abundant.
Limitless can never become infinite because infinity exist beyond any set number however large, which is why its a concept.
Originally posted by h1a8
For example, Thano's shield could only hold up to one Galactus blast, Thor's hammer blow, etc. Thus there is no way for Thanos to have infinite power.
Ha, I see you got it right, Thanos does not possess infinite power (beyond any thing no matter how large), however, it is said to be near limitless (ever increasing). What we do know however is his power cannot hold a match to Galactus limitless (ever increasing) power.
Originally posted by h1a8Other's like Odin couldn't ever get beat (unless you take their powers away) if they had limitless power. But they have been beat without their powers not being taken away.
Again, Odin does possess limitless (or ever increasing) power because we do not know where it stops.
Originally posted by h1a8
The only proof of one having limitless power is the narration combined with no counter feats exists showing otherwise.
Instead of saying limitless, swap it for infinite and that would be TOAA, as he is pretty much the only one who has no counter feats against him.
Originally posted by h1a8
If cyttorak has limitless power (or infinite power) then cyttorak=TOAAOtherwise that scan is full of s'hit
Plus add that to the fact that I've never seen Juggs call upon any more power from cyttorak.
Also did you go check the Juggernaut Respect Thread, and look Up the Dr Strange comic I told you about, the one where Juggernaut calls upon more of his limitless (ever increasing) mystical powers and cast a spell on the demon nightmare causing him to shrink and also fires mystical blasts during his fights?
Did you check that yet? like I said I would link you but the computer I'm using blocks alot of sites, (damn work computers).
But you are right on some points, the term limitless is used a little too much in comics I think, but it can always be dismissed as hyperbole, but some fans will never allow that. In some ways I like how the bios state it as "near limitless" or "the potential for limitless". But as bios are generally throw in the dumpster on this forum, that probably wouldn't work either.
Originally posted by Apolloknight
I think this is where you are getting confused, limitless and infinite are two different things. Limitless is an ever increasing amount of power, an infinite amount of power is extending beyond, lying beyond, or existing beyond any amount of of preassigned power however large.To make things easier infinity is not a number but a concept, [b]very few
people in comics have an infinite amount of power, but those who possess limitless power, or just limitless strength or speed are more abundant.Limitless can never become infinite because infinity exist beyond any set number however large, which is why its a concept.
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Heh. I don't mean to cause a stir or anything. I just think it's hilariously ironic that the person who failed to grasp the concepts of ' infinity' and 'limitless' for months, is now attempting to educate someone on the matter 💃