Re: Hello!
Originally posted by Kon El
People, people, people! are we all forgetting the critcal facts? it would be a good match but it would NOT be a draw. Of COURSE doomsday could hurt Juggernaught!!!!
because:
1) Juggernaughts power relies on the deity cyttorak, if that power is intercepted i.e. magically, by destroying the tablet, or the deity revoking it. On the other hand - Doomsdays power is his to command.
2) Doomsday can evolve beyond any kind of defeat. Juggernaught would initally be weaker. he is all kinds of dead after that.
3) Doomsday escaped the phantom zone. The PHANTOM ZONE. His power goes WELL beyond Juggernaughts.
4) Juggernaught has a weakspot. his head - which doomsday has the power to SMUSH between his hands.
and finally
5) Does everyone remember when Juggernaught took on Gladiator? he was made to look like a BABY. He got WELL STOMPED. Gladiator has only some of the abilities of superman meaning superman would be stronger - and doomsday is the superior of supes. thus the higherarchy is set with Juggernaught at the bottom and DD at the top. that's several leagues of difference.Conclusion - DD would make Juggernaught his b****. end of.
Are you serious?
Re: Hello!
Originally posted by Kon El
People, people, people! are we all forgetting the critcal facts? it would be a good match but it would NOT be a draw. Of COURSE doomsday could hurt Juggernaught!!!!
because:
1) Juggernaughts power relies on the deity cyttorak, if that power is intercepted i.e. magically, by destroying the tablet, or the deity revoking it. On the other hand - Doomsdays power is his to command.
2) Doomsday can evolve beyond any kind of defeat. Juggernaught would initally be weaker. he is all kinds of dead after that.
3) Doomsday escaped the phantom zone. The PHANTOM ZONE. His power goes WELL beyond Juggernaughts.
4) Juggernaught has a weakspot. his head - which doomsday has the power to SMUSH between his hands.
and finally
5) Does everyone remember when Juggernaught took on Gladiator? he was made to look like a BABY. He got WELL STOMPED. Gladiator has only some of the abilities of superman meaning superman would be stronger - and doomsday is the superior of supes. thus the higherarchy is set with Juggernaught at the bottom and DD at the top. that's several leagues of difference.Conclusion - DD would make Juggernaught his b****. end of.
1. Doomsday couldn't disrupt his powers, so I don't know where on earth you're getting that. If you're thinking of the event where Onslaught ripped the gem out of him, then you need to realize that Onslaught >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doomsday.
2. Juggernaut doesn't run out of energy or power, and can enhance it through focus. He's not going to weaken. Doomsday, however, would weaken beforehand. It may take hundreds of years, but he would weaken. Juggernaut is going to stay at the same level.
3. Everbody and their mother is getting out of the Phantom Zone nowadays. I'm beginning to think it's not what it's cooked up to be, or just SBP punching the heads of DC writers. I think Jimmy Olsen just punched out of it right now.
4. Actually, he has a weakness to psychics, nimrod. Bit of a difference. Even if Doomsday got that helmet off, it wouldn't help him one bit. Now he's just gotta look at Cains ugly mug the whole time.
5. That was in a cartoon, genius. Even then, Gladiator is far more powerful than Superman. This guy can rip apart stars when he's fully confident. He's crazy powerful, and not many can best him. Also, Gladiator has ALL of Superman's abilities aside from T-vo, and powerset does not make someone less powerful.
The end result: Doomsday get ripped into two halves, and thrown into space by Juggernaut. Then Cain decides to go ape shit on the Superman fanboys tha think Doomsday could take Galactus.
Re: Hello!
Originally posted by Kon El
People, people, people! are we all forgetting the critcal facts? it would be a good match but it would NOT be a draw. Of COURSE doomsday could hurt Juggernaught!!!!
because:
1) Juggernaughts power relies on the deity cyttorak, if that power is intercepted i.e. magically, by destroying the tablet, or the deity revoking it. On the other hand - Doomsdays power is his to command.
2) Doomsday can evolve beyond any kind of defeat. Juggernaught would initally be weaker. he is all kinds of dead after that.
3) Doomsday escaped the phantom zone. The PHANTOM ZONE. His power goes WELL beyond Juggernaughts.
4) Juggernaught has a weakspot. his head - which doomsday has the power to SMUSH between his hands.
and finally
5) Does everyone remember when Juggernaught took on Gladiator? he was made to look like a BABY. He got WELL STOMPED. Gladiator has only some of the abilities of superman meaning superman would be stronger - and doomsday is the superior of supes. thus the higherarchy is set with Juggernaught at the bottom and DD at the top. that's several leagues of difference.Conclusion - DD would make Juggernaught his b****. end of.
It's more like this
1. There is not a way in the world that Doomsday could mess with Cains connection with Cyttorak. So I don't know where you got that from, but it's wrong.
2. Juggernaut never gets weak. he is always at 100%, and will never go below. Yes Doomsday has the ability to evolve, but Juggernaut can increase his powers through focus. So there thats kind of even
3. So, Juggernaut has been sent away to difrrerent dimensions and realms all the time, he was even sent to Oblivian by Eternity. You know what though he always finds a way back.
4. Juggernaut doesn't have a weak spot when it comes to physical combat. The only problem is telepathic attacks, and he has shown the ability to overcome them with enough focus. See 8th day saga
5. That was the cartoon so it's not cannon
Conclusion: They fight until the end of time or one of them is bfr'd
Re: Hello!
Originally posted by Kon El
4) Juggernaught has a weakspot. his head - which doomsday has the power to SMUSH between his hands.
That's a serious miscalculation most people make. Juggernaut's head is only weak to psychics. Other than that, it's just as strong as the rest of his body, if anyone remembers his fight in the jungle with Hulk (which he won, by the way).
Originally posted by Kon El
5) Does everyone remember when Juggernaught took on Gladiator? he was made to look like a BABY. He got WELL STOMPED. Gladiator has only some of the abilities of superman meaning superman would be stronger - and doomsday is the superior of supes. thus the higherarchy is set with Juggernaught at the bottom and DD at the top. that's several leagues of difference.
That fight never happened in the comics, and isn't canon. Rogue gave Gladiator a fight in that same series, how serious can you take that?
Anyway, I don't know if Doomsday could ever hurt Juggernaut, but his superspeed alone tips the scales in his favor.
But, I still cheer for Juggernaut, cause he's the Juggernaut b*tch!!
I've actually thought about this fight before and how it would play out.
Basically it starts out slow Doomsday is wrecking a city Cain is wrecking the same city they see each other and of the bat hate each other. People always seem to dislike that which is similar to them and cain and DD are very similar creatures.
Cain: "Alright you walking freak get out of my way before I crush you."
Before Cain can blink though a grey blur stands where Doomsday was and before Cain can realize what is going one he is flying backwards through buildings at lighting speed.
Cain goes to stand up one hand on his knee before he sees another grey blur coming once again once again his feet are off the ground hurtling towards wherever.
Once Juggernaut lands though he is fed up with this and begins to walk forward once again the grey blur comes this time though cain feels something but keep walking forward. He hears buildings crashing all around as Doomsday rockets from Juggs into the surrounding city. This repeats a couple of times.
Cain(Laughing): "Don't ya know I'm the Juggernaut Unstoppable get it"
Doomsday stands there wondering how to stop Cain as he is getting closer doomsday gets a thought.
As Cain gets close Doomsday doesn't stop Cain's momentum but uses it coming around Cain he kicks him in the back straight forward throwing Cain out of the city for miles and miles he is flying until he hits the ground causing quite a ditch to be made some hundred miles long. Now this repeats until Cain is standing at a beach.
Cain looks up and sees the creature standing in front of him.
Cain Stands up and is immediately pushed back into the water waist deep.
Cain: "I'm through meshing around"
Just then Doomsday grey blur slows down and he is now moving exactly at Cain's speed. Doomsday stops for awhile wondering how this can be.
Cain: "Thats my shield and can take away inertia great little thing for speed demons like you"
Next they Stand looking at each other neither one making a move they both know that all tricks are gone this is gonna come down to fist o cuffs and sheer determination.
Dooms day makes the first move and lays a blow into Cain that causes the Earth to shake. The Ocean behind Cain surges backward from the force created. Though Cain doesn't budge then Cain throws a counter connecting with Doomsday Shaking the Earth once more causing the ground behind DD to split open. Lava begins to spew from it it went that deep it.
Soon the begin to Rain Blow upon blow shaking the Earth to its foundation force like this has never before been seen.
well eventually this leads to the planet begin destroyed and them just standing there looking at each other not able to move and get to each other.
look I'm sorry but in my experience of avid fandom in both DC and Marvel, Juggernaught needs the helmet to block attacks that go for the mind and also for his eyes (because the helmet is stated to protect him from surges of bright light). As proven, however, in x-men on multiple occasions - the helmet can be removed. This unveils a weakspot in Juggernaught. Doomsday could easily lobotomize him and without a brain brute force is useless. None of this would work vice versa because Doomsday as already surpassed such limitations.
As a side-point I wasn't stating that DD would suddenly develop magical abilities, I was simply saying that Juggernaught as those limitations in place and when anyone reads the incantation from the ruby of cyttorak THEY receive the power meaning it is funnelled out of Cain Marko's body and into whoever is using the magic at that point in time. This takes with it his ability to heal any injury previously inflicted and I think that considering DD evolves constantly AND comes from a highly superior race that he would figure this out during the battle and use that limitation to his advantage. All I meant was that Juggernaught's power is dependent on someone else - i.e. Cyttorak, whereas DD's power is all his own. This makes him superior.
Originally posted by Kon El
look I'm sorry but in my experience of avid fandom in both DC and Marvel, Juggernaught needs the helmet to block attacks that go for the mind and also for his eyes (because the helmet is stated to protect him from surges of bright light). As proven, however, in x-men on multiple occasions - the helmet can be removed. This unveils a weakspot in Juggernaught. Doomsday could easily lobotomize him and without a brain brute force is useless. None of this would work vice versa because Doomsday as already surpassed such limitations.As a side-point I wasn't stating that DD would suddenly develop magical abilities, I was simply saying that Juggernaught as those limitations in place and when anyone reads the incantation from the ruby of cyttorak THEY receive the power meaning it is funnelled out of Cain Marko's body and into whoever is using the magic at that point in time. This takes with it his ability to heal any injury previously inflicted and I think that considering DD evolves constantly AND comes from a highly superior race that he would figure this out during the battle and use that limitation to his advantage. All I meant was that Juggernaught's power is dependent on someone else - i.e. Cyttorak, whereas DD's power is all his own. This makes him superior.
Juggernaut's helmet protects him from telepathy, his only weakness. His head is still physically invulnerable without it. Unless DD develops the power to mind-rape someone, removing the helmet wouldn't do him any good.
Really, the only way for DD to win would be a ring-out.
That technicality is insufficient though. Superman's extended power is based on presence of yellow light *(and variations as far as can be seen with light at similar wavelengths). Being however that he is kryptonian his cellular biology and general physiology are already more efficient than homosapien/superior. Plus by extension of the reliance of power if you want to take it THAT far, Wolverine has nothing that would be particularly useful in a fight outside of adamantium that was grafted to his bones (ok bone-claw but I mean, bones are breakable). This too can be seen as a reliance. What I meant was that in actual fact Juggernaught has COMPLETE reliance on magically enhancing his power. This DOES make him inequal because unlike having a naturally occuring gene mutation or being born of an alien race or being a tormented clone of a superior race... he is in essence human.