Juggernaut vs Doomsday

Originally posted by Kon El
'Demigod'? has the word been redefined lately? Because I'm pretty sure a demi-god is someone with one parent who is a god, and the another who isn't. I was always fairly certain his powers were mystical and he was in fact a human and never called a demi-god by anyone who acknowledges the meaning of the word. However, you are correct if by saying 'cannot disprove' you actually mean cannot disprove the premise whereby you change the meaning of words for no particular reason.

Originally posted by newjak86
Um let me get this straight are you using the T.V. show when describing when he lost his powers I think you are because I watched that one.
Hulk has also been shown to be a top contender in the scheme of things as well. Technically Cain has never been given a limit to his strength and his durability is limitless when it comes to physical power.

Yes, both the hulk and cain are top contenders underneath everyone who could beat them. that list stands at:

The Collins
every telepath
silver surfer
Thanos
Galactus
Terrax

and more that I can't be bothered to continue the list using. Physical strength and durability is pointless in mentioning at this point because the same has been stated for Doomsday, only his power isn't mystical.

Originally posted by Soleran
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

See where it says unusually powered up? Yeah thats where Trion and 8th day Juggs goes south because its a one time limited showing with him being unusually powered up.

DD as I said makes Cain his bouncy ball, the end.

PS reread the rules you skipped a few lines.

Originally posted by Kon El
Yes, both the hulk and cain are top contenders underneath everyone who could beat them. that list stands at:

The Collins
every telepath
silver surfer
Thanos
Galactus
Terrax

and more that I can't be bothered to continue the list using. Physical strength and durability is pointless in mentioning at this point because the same has been stated for Doomsday, only his power isn't mystical.

LOL did you not read that comic! Juggernaut is partially controlled by Cytorrak in that comic and is driven to his purpose.

Whatever it doesn't follow the rules, 2 comics thats it he has never again done that. Its a limited time showing but I mean bring in Gog wars Doomsdy if you want 8th day.....................Gogs war Doomsday would eat Cains heart🙂

psst and after you reread the rules go reread the comic where it states Cain is being controlled by Cytorrak. 😉

Originally posted by Kon El
Incorrect. Cain is only greater than human when he is the Juggernaught which involves manipulating the Ruby of Cyttorak. As I understand it though, his powers were lately revoked by Cyttorak leaving only an increase in his physical strength at a base level, but he has to breath etc so that's wrong for a start.

Wrong, Cytorrak's power put him in the 100+ class, right up there with Hulk and Thor, which had been shown many times.

Originally posted by Kon El
Secondly, even if we aren't talking about that version, the ruby does not protect Cain's head from penetrating attacks. He could be lobotomized.

No, he can't. The power physically protects the skin around his entire body, that includes his head. Sure, you could stab him in the eye like Shatterstar did, but he would heal from that almost instantly, like it never happened.

Originally posted by Kon El
Thirdly, The usage of the helmet is to filter strong light and protect his head. Not ONLY from telepathy but also from attack. That is WHY the helmet is there. In many versions his helmet is removed and he's using a different version that can not only not block telepathy but also can't block super-strong physical attacks. The head was always designed as the only possible weak point in his body.

I don't know where you got that from, but it's only function over the years was against psionics. Now, THAT is why the helmet's there. His head has never been shown to be susceptible to physical attacks (if it has, give me an example).

Originally posted by Kon El
Forthly, the constraint of his power is to foes not native to this planet. a la Glads, a la phoenix, and I'm guessing a la DD. He would be STOMPED. He has no way or means of defeating DD and I notice that everyone is hopping on the bandwagon of how DD couldn't defeat him, I have given many ways in which he could in fact defeat him - but conversely how could Juggernaught defeat DD? answer - he couldn't.

The constraint of his power? Are you talking about the same Juggernaut that laid out the Stranger? That alone makes that point kinda mute.

Now, this is all referring to classic Juggernaut, of course. Not saying he would win, just making a point.

Originally posted by Soleran
LOL did you not read that comic! Juggernaut is partially controlled by Cytorrak in that comic and is driven to his purpose.

Whatever it doesn't follow the rules, 2 comics thats it he has never again done that. Its a limited time showing but I mean bring in Gog wars Doomsdy if you want 8th day.....................Gogs war Doomsday would eat Cains heart🙂

psst and after you reread the rules go reread the comic where it states Cain is being controlled by Cytorrak. 😉

I got your back Newjack, you'll just have to wait a minute.

Actually it'd be logical that after any great length of fighting, DD could evolve beyond the mystical power of cyttorak that sheilds Juggernaught, and then you know... pulverise him.

Yea, I don't think he can gain the ability to wield magic. Magic isn't of this world so he couldn't evolve with that power

Well it wouldn't be that he'd be able to wield it, it would just be that it became ineffective against his attacks. Which is a possibility.

You see thats impossible, it goes out of his design. The only counter against magic is stronger magic.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
You see thats impossible, it goes out of his design. The only counter against magic is stronger magic.

LOL even Thanos says VETO to that. Odin and Thanos fight, Thanos uses science to counter Odin's magic energy....................energy is energy.

He overcame GL's and for practical purpose that is magic...............science driven by willpower..................err yea ok.

I don't think GL wields magic, and if he does it's not touching the magic that runs through Cains veins.

Comics state that their version of magic are simply laws of science that cannot be quantified. Using this as the premise there is no reason for magic to become ineffective against DD's cellular structure.

Where is that stated?

In comics thus far magic> science

Perfect example is Dr.Strange vs Reed Richards

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Where is that stated?

In comics thus far magic> science

Perfect example is Dr.Strange vs Reed Richards

Uh What about Thanos vs Odin? That fight's ALOT bigger

You can use that fight to

Yeah Thanos used science and stayed even with Odin in Asgard..................................so apparently science can = magic.

Ok then so according to you then DD can overcome magic alrighty thanks for clarifying!

Don't make me go get the scans. Odin wasn't even using his full power and he was beating Thanos down, Thanos did no damage to Odin whatsoever.