Ok first off where has the conception that Cain's head is weak his head is just as tough as his body and his helmet's only use is to protect him from telelpathic attacks.
How is DD gonna BFR Cain hmm. Superman could do it becuae let's see he can what FLY thats right last time I checked DD couldn't do that and hasn't shown to be able to do it.
Next Cain is about as Human now as Superman is, Cain is no mortal human anymore.
Incorrect. Cain is only greater than human when he is the Juggernaught which involves manipulating the Ruby of Cyttorak. As I understand it though, his powers were lately revoked by Cyttorak leaving only an increase in his physical strength at a base level, but he has to breath etc so that's wrong for a start.
Secondly, even if we aren't talking about that version, the ruby does not protect Cain's head from penetrating attacks. He could be lobotomized.
Thirdly, The usage of the helmet is to filter strong light and protect his head. Not ONLY from telepathy but also from attack. That is WHY the helmet is there. In many versions his helmet is removed and he's using a different version that can not only not block telepathy but also can't block super-strong physical attacks. The head was always designed as the only possible weak point in his body.
Forthly, the constraint of his power is to foes not native to this planet. a la Glads, a la phoenix, and I'm guessing a la DD. He would be STOMPED. He has no way or means of defeating DD and I notice that everyone is hopping on the bandwagon of how DD couldn't defeat him, I have given many ways in which he could in fact defeat him - but conversely how could Juggernaught defeat DD? answer - he couldn't.
Originally posted by Kon El😆
Incorrect. Cain is only greater than human when he is the Juggernaught which involves manipulating the Ruby of Cyttorak. As I understand it though, his powers were lately revoked by Cyttorak leaving only an increase in his physical strength at a base level, but he has to breath etc so that's wrong for a start.Secondly, even if we aren't talking about that version, the ruby does not protect Cain's head from penetrating attacks. He could be lobotomized.
Thirdly, The usage of the helmet is to filter strong light and protect his head. Not ONLY from telepathy but also from attack. That is WHY the helmet is there. In many versions his helmet is removed and he's using a different version that can not only not block telepathy but also can't block super-strong physical attacks. The head was always designed as the only possible weak point in his body.
Forthly, the constraint of his power is to foes not native to this planet. a la Glads, a la phoenix, and I'm guessing a la DD. He would be STOMPED. He has no way or means of defeating DD and I notice that everyone is hopping on the bandwagon of how DD couldn't defeat him, I have given many ways in which he could in fact defeat him - but conversely how could Juggernaught defeat DD? answer - he couldn't.
Secondly yes his current version is weaker but no one really debates with that version and instead uses the Classic version mostly unless he is stated to be another version.
Finally he has tangled with creatures outside of planet before. A La Nightmare a creature that imprisoned Eternity and Dr. Strange. He has beaten Thor and took Thor's best shots last time I checked Thor isn't from Earth. Glads only happened in the cartoon and Phoenix one of the highest powers in the MU. DD is a physical brick that was given the biggest Plot Device but still is beaten isn't he. DD can't d anything to Cain to hurt him.
How could Cain beat DD well if you read my story I didn't say he would did I. I said Stalemate.
Originally posted by newjak86
You lauhg like this is a joke you know what Cain has handled Superman level beings before with ease Thor anyone.
Yeah yeah yeah I keep hearing this focus crap and in reality it happened in 2 comics Avengers 3rd series and issues 24 and 25! I mean lets get real here 2 comics THATS IT.
Juggernaut doesn't focus his powers the way people keep yammering about, he was being partially controlled by Cytorrak and it states that in the comic itself.
Doomsday will just get to the point he will drag cain along and bounce him around like a fun bouncy ball.
Originally posted by SoleranYeah it only happens a few actually. Cain did it when he fought D'Spayre. You see D'Spayre even managed to drain Cain of some of his power but when he got angry guess what he basically powered up. When fighting one team of X-Men his friend Black Tom got hurt he decided to end the fight right then and there. He clapped his hands and it was over. Most of the time he just throws people out of his way if they get in his way he hardly ever tries but to say he only got focsed twice then you don't know what your talking about. So yes he can focus his power without being controlled.
Yeah yeah yeah I keep hearing this focus crap and in reality it happened in 2 comics Avengers 3rd series and issues 24 and 25! I mean lets get real here 2 comics THATS IT.Juggernaut doesn't focus his powers the way people keep yammering about, he was being partially controlled by Cytorrak and it states that in the comic itself.
Doomsday will just get to the point he will drag cain along and bounce him around like a fun bouncy ball.
Actually he wasn't defeated, everyone in the DCU was smart enough to realise they couldn't beat him and so they just displaced him to the phantom zone. If we're using classic, the incantation can still be removed just by reciting the incantation and after that he has nothing.
going toe-to-toe with the Hulk is no big deal, strategy over force. This is where he would fall (and Hulk can be taken down by a 17 year old girl no less. I've read it happen). Also... Thor is from Valhalla which is in MU supposedly just over Earth, but I digress.
During several back-issues of Avengers, it is stated that Thor exercises restraint on his power whilst on Earth because of the damage he could inflict so that battle is again no big deal.
Oh, and the thing about the weakness in his head... that was purposely placed by Cyttorak (deity).
Physically and especially strategically, the fight is in DD's favour. Cain doesn't stand a chance.
Originally posted by Kon ElGoing toe to toe with the Hulk is no big deal well yeah I guess your right everyone and there mother can beat Hulk right 😆
Actually he wasn't defeated, everyone in the DCU was smart enough to realise they couldn't beat him and so they just displaced him to the phantom zone. If we're using classic, the incantation can still be removed just by reciting the incantation and after that he has nothing.going toe-to-toe with the Hulk is no big deal, strategy over force. This is where he would fall (and Hulk can be taken down by a 17 year old girl no less. I've read it happen). Also... Thor is from Valhalla which is in MU supposedly just over Earth, but I digress.
During several back-issues of Avengers, it is stated that Thor exercises restraint on his power whilst on Earth because of the damage he could inflict so that battle is again no big deal.Oh, and the thing about the weakness in his head... that was purposely placed by Cyttorak (deity).
Physically and especially strategically, the fight is in DD's favour. Cain doesn't stand a chance.
Originally posted by newjak86
Going toe to toe with the Hulk is no big deal well yeah I guess your right everyone and there mother can beat Hulk right 😆
Thor is from Asgard which is the nine worlds basically a different dimension. It also states When he is fighting Cain that he must cut loose all his power nad it still does nothing to Cain doesn't hurt him at all. Actually the incantation can't be taken away or they would have done it already.
The weakness in the head doesn't exist I would like to know where you got this from exactly.
This is where I step back and say its sad to see someone grasping for straws and attempting to hold onto something🙂
Doomsday powers up FAR FAR beyond anything Juggernaut has ever done.
Originally posted by Soleranreally so now Doomsday can punch through deminsions now.
This is where I step back and say its sad to see someone grasping for straws and attempting to hold onto something🙂Doomsday powers up FAR FAR beyond anything Juggernaut has ever done.
Yeah. everyone and their mother can - Laurie Collins could, and she's a 17 year old girl from New x-men with the ability to control pheremones.
Secondly, the classic series and one of the old back-issues ran a story-line in which an architect stumbled across the ruby and the tabulet, read the inscription and Cain was left for dead... only to be saved by the x-men oh and eh btw this is the classic version of Juggernaught.
can you say outclassed? 😆
Originally posted by newjak86`
really so now Doomsday can punch through deminsions now.
Oh wait no he doesn't thats right.
LOL do I need to post the rules of this forum for you, lol.
Juggernaut was possessed when that happened, just like in 8th day he was partially controlled by Cytorrak, just stop the fanboyism.
Originally posted by Kon ElOutclassed because a guy stumbles upon the ruby and reads where exactly is Doomsday gonna get this ruby.
Yeah. everyone and their mother can - Laurie Collins could, and she's a 17 year old girl from New x-men with the ability to control pheremones.Secondly, the classic series and one of the old back-issues ran a story-line in which an architect stumbled across the ruby and the tabulet, read the inscription and Cain was left for dead... only to be saved by the x-men oh and eh btw this is the classic version of Juggernaught.
can you say outclassed? 😆
This isn't fanboyism. It's logic. I actually happen to really like Juggernaught as a character and would be vaguely aware of Doomsday part in DC. The fact is, he is still stronger, and it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. The classic episode version had nothing to do with possession of Cain/Juggernaught. The power was up for grabs, and it was no longer his but instead someone elses. That is one serious limitation, and any that Doomsday even would have, he'd overcome. How exactly could that result in a stalemate? DD plays on that weakness, and Cain is done.
Originally posted by SoleranYeah I know forum rules and I hate to tell you this but your supposed to take characters at there best. He was controlled but all that power he was using he can use without being controlled get me the more he focuses the more power he can obtain basically its how much he wants something.
`LOL do I need to post the rules of this forum for you, lol.
Juggernaut was possessed when that happened, just like in 8th day he was partially controlled by Cytorrak, just stop the fanboyism.
Originally posted by Kon ElUm let me get this straight are you using the T.V. show when describing when he lost his powers I think you are because I watched that one.
This isn't fanboyism. It's logic. I actually happen to really like Juggernaught as a character and would be vaguely aware of Doomsday part in DC. The fact is, he is still stronger, and it's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. The classic episode version had nothing to do with possession of Cain/Juggernaught. The power was up for grabs, and it was no longer his but instead someone elses. That is one serious limitation, and any that Doomsday even would have, he'd overcome. How exactly could that result in a stalemate? DD plays on that weakness, and Cain is done.
Originally posted by newjak86
Yeah I know forum rules and I hate to tell you this but your supposed to take characters at there best. He was controlled but all that power he was using he can use without being controlled get me the more he focuses the more power he can obtain basically its how much he wants something.
Fanboyism am I now what exactly have I done I have given facts about a character that you can not disprove at all. Your picking at straws trying to break them down. Oh he was told to do something being possessed after all, when Cain has stopped fooling around well he is called a demigod for a reason.
'Demigod'? has the word been redefined lately? Because I'm pretty sure a demi-god is someone with one parent who is a god, and the another who isn't. I was always fairly certain his powers were mystical and he was in fact a human and never called a demi-god by anyone who acknowledges the meaning of the word. However, you are correct if by saying 'cannot disprove' you actually mean cannot disprove the premise whereby you change the meaning of words for no particular reason.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
See where it says unusually powered up? Yeah thats where Trion and 8th day Juggs goes south because its a one time limited showing with him being unusually powered up.
DD as I said makes Cain his bouncy ball, the end.
PS reread the rules you skipped a few lines.