Juggernaut vs Doomsday

Ok I will look for the exact strip and send it in, but basically after Superman is brought back from the dead Bruce Wayne corners him and questions how he managed it. The dialogue entails Batman telling him that this is unnatural because he has managed to grasp concepts of theortical quantum physics, and also magic which is generally other-dimension science, but cannot understand this feat. Also it is stated by Mr Fantastic in comics which I do not unfortunately own.. but you can see it for yourself on his biography in wikipedia.

Link: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr_Fantastic

extract: - He has admitted, on more then one occasion, to being incapable of understanding magic, as he cannot begin to fathom an aspect of science (as he calls it) that is not based in quantifiable laws and rules.

That is what magic is based on and there is no reason why it would even be a limitation that DD could not overcome.

I don't think magic is based on science, it could be that science is based on magic.

How can Mr. Fantastic make a judgement on magic if he doesn't understand it?

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Don't make me go get the scans. Odin wasn't even using his full power and he was beating Thanos down, Thanos did no damage to Odin whatsoever.

LOL oh you silly boy, get so sidetracked and fixated. Thanos doesn't have to win to show science can have a large impact on magic, he did it in that fight.

Tyrant uses science and he would DESTROY Odin with his magic.

Doomsday uses science and can and will overcome Juggernaut.

I mean for all the Cyttorak crack talk he has hardly any showings of power and he also got humiliated by his own avatar. Now seriously what kind of punk god gets beat by his templar lol....................I don't see Thor beating Odin, Hercules stompin Zeus.................nope only Cytorrak.

Furthermore the war between science and magic is too inconclusive to draw a decision from alone. For instance during the battle between Solomon Grundy who had been revived using choas magic and was levelling a city, the fight was ended by the nth metal that hawkgirl carries in the form of a mace.

Originally posted by Kon El
Furthermore the war between science and magic is too inconclusive to draw a decision from alone. For instance during the battle between Solomon Grundy who had been revived using choas magic and was levelling a city, the fight was ended by the nth metal that hawkgirl carries in the form of a mace.

They don't consider the series canon in these forums.

That wasn't just mr Fantastic's view on magic. The point was, DC and Marvel use their characters as an expression point for how their universe works. Being that as the premise they set, DD would win.

The difference between science and magic seems to be paradoxical at best. One is based on logical understanding of set laws and rules, and the other breaks them but as far as can be seen they are derived from eachother.

When has science ever been able to tear through dimensions with sheer force? You think that Tyrant could defeat Odin in a bloodlusted battle? I find that funny.

Cyttorak is at least on the same level as Death, and Eternity so how do you figure Cyttorak is weak?

Cyttorak isn't what is under discussion, the power he imparts to his lackey is, and it doesn't seem sufficient to stop DD from crushing him.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
When has science ever been able to tear through dimensions with sheer force? You think that Tyrant could defeat Odin in a bloodlusted battle? I find that funny.

Cyttorak is at least on the same level as Death, and Eternity so how do you figure Cyttorak is weak?

Thats ok I find most of what you say amusing seeing as a fully powered Tyrant is practically on tiers with Galactus who is leagues above Odin.

LOL Cyttorak isn't on the level of abstracts, derp derp once again Cyttorak has ONE high showing BIG woop. I didn't say Cyttorak was weak, please slow down and read more carefully. Cyttorak hasn't had enough showings for jack.

Point is Doomsday will evolve beyond, Cain. DD evolved past Gogs and they are so much more powerful then Cain its retarded. Doomsday wins

Yet he stopped Eternity from crushing him, you underestimate his power. He wields the power of a whole dimension, that is beyond the power of many.

Yeah and if this thread was DD vs Cyttorak the outcome might be different, being that it's Cain Marko, DD would win.

Cyttorak never put a limit on Juggernauts power, thats why it's always stated that Juggernaut can call on the limitless power of Cyttorak.

Originally posted by soujaboy09
Cyttorak never put a limit on Juggernauts power, thats why it's always stated that Juggernaut can call on the limitless power of Cyttorak.

here comes another DERP DERP Cyttoraks power isn't limitless............................its called hyperbole (an exageration)

Cain HAS NEVER shown feats greater then DD's period just hasn't done it. Poor Cain is just a slow tank with MOSTER durability and strength and thats not gonna help him vs DD.

Acknowledge and move on or show Cain feats greater then a Gogswar DD.

Difference is there's no reason for DD to not be able to evolve past the strength and sheilds of Juggernaught, whereas there is the possibility of Cyttorak trapping DD in a pocket dimension, J could not. DD could kill Juggernaught, limitless strength or not.

How is it Hyporbole? do you have a scan showing that it's not true? has cain ever had a problem with anything when he needed it?

He hasn't shown feats as good as DD's? Do you need scans

Bring in Gog wars DD, and ill bring up Trion Juggernaut

Originally posted by Kon El
Difference is there's no reason for DD to not be able to evolve past the strength and sheilds of Juggernaught, whereas there is the possibility of Cyttorak trapping DD in a pocket dimension, J could not. DD could kill Juggernaught, limitless strength or not.

Saying Juggernaut can die is like saying that DD cant evolve

Originally posted by soujaboy09
How is it Hyporbole? do you have a scan showing that it's not true? has cain ever had a problem with anything when he needed it?

He hasn't shown feats as good as DD's? Do you need scans

Bring in Gog wars DD, and ill bring up Trion Juggernaut

Trion Juggernaut isn't Classic Juggs he was possessed🙂 Gogwars Doomsday was still just Doomsday.

Show me a scan with cain and his UNLIMITED POWER, not even Odin is unlimited nor Galactus nor Death etc etc..................being in the Crimson Cosmos in a pocket universe makes it impossible to have unlimited because its just a pocket and he doesn't have that much power.

Doomsday is beyond Juggernaut, he has never done anything (as Cain Marko not possesed by Cyttorak) that rivals anything remotely close to DD.

Yeah ok, I used to strong a word, maybe he wouldn't kill him, but he would certainly defeat him.

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Originally posted by Soleran
Trion Juggernaut isn't Classic Juggs he was possessed🙂 Gogwars Doomsday was still just Doomsday.

Show me a scan with cain and his UNLIMITED POWER, not even Odin is unlimited nor Galactus nor Death etc etc..................being in the Crimson Cosmos in a pocket universe makes it impossible to have unlimited because its just a pocket and he doesn't have that much power.

Doomsday is beyond Juggernaut, he has never done anything (as Cain Marko not possesed by Cyttorak) that rivals anything remotely close to DD.

Cyttorak doesn't have that much power? why do you just state things without any proof? That same power gave Juggernaut the ability to destroy dimensions is the same power you render "weak"

Cain hasn't done anything that rivals DD? post a scan of something DD has done and I will see if I can get a scan of Juggernauts the rivals it.

Do you have proof that Cyttoraks power isn't unlimited?