So if you believe that Doomsday is far stronger than Hulk then you also believe that Juggernaut is far stronger than Hulk.
Know I think it would be a stalemate, ending when the planet there fighting on is destroyed.
I Juggernaut wouldn't be thrown into space because he has his shield. Even if Doomsday could manage to throw him he wouldn't be flying through the air at the speed of light so all Juggernaut would have to do is put up his shield.
Juggernauts strength and durability aren't a factor simply due to the speed combined with DD's strength are overwhelming.
Did you read about the speed soujaboy are did you just not understand it? Seriously I am not trying to be mean here but it seems as though you don't grasp it and I can explain it again for you because you overlook it at every available opportunity. Cain cannot react to DD's speed period.
Ok, Im saying that even of Doomsday go's and punches Juggernaut at light speed Juggernaut still isn't going to move.
Now if he grabs him he can throw him, but even if he's moving at light speed when he throws him that doesn't meen that Juggernaut will be flying at light speed through the air. Thus while in the air Juggernaut can then summon his shield because it takes less than a sec.
Originally posted by SoleranYour how theory on light speed is correct but since when has this ever been used in a comic before oh wait ti hasn't.
Juggernauts strength and durability aren't a factor simply due to the speed combined with DD's strength are overwhelming.Did you read about the speed soujaboy are did you just not understand it? Seriously I am not trying to be mean here but it seems as though you don't grasp it and I can explain it again for you because you overlook it at every available opportunity. Cain cannot react to DD's speed period.
Also your really looking into this whole 90% speed of light thing to much yes Supes can fly at that speed but there is difference between fight and flight speed. Supes while he does have some good fights showing good speed there is nothing to suggest he can fight at anything near the speed of light. So in turn it can be said that Doomsday wasn't even fighting at lightspeed.
When Superman fought one of the weaker versions of DD it was all he could do to keep up and fight him at the same time.....................no of course not SM and DD were fighting fast enough no one could track them.
They don't have to fight that fast to move faster then thought and handle Juggernaut period juggs reacts at 30 m/s thought thats a stand still for DD. Also with the speed comes power and mass the force required to move a 900lb man t outer space wouldn't mean much to DD................you like science the force would blow up alot of things around where DD hits Juggs but DD doesn't care its in character.
Originally posted by SoleranThats where your loosing it right there Cain has withstood forces before that should move a 900 pound man no problem and while DD may be moving fast enough for Cain not to see him really it doesn't change the fact that he won't BFR him in any case.
When Superman fought one of the weaker versions of DD it was all he could do to keep up and fight him at the same time.....................no of course not SM and DD were fighting fast enough no one could track them.They don't have to fight that fast to move faster then thought and handle Juggernaut period juggs reacts at 30 m/s thought thats a stand still for DD. Also with the speed comes power and mass the force required to move a 900lb man t outer space wouldn't mean much to DD................you like science the force would blow up alot of things around where DD hits Juggs but DD doesn't care its in character.
Originally posted by newjak86
Thats where your loosing it right there Cain has withstood forces before that should move a 900 pound man no problem and while DD may be moving fast enough for Cain not to see him really it doesn't change the fact that he won't BFR him in any case.
If you re-read the fight I posted then basically your just saying the same things I was. Cain starts off not being able to react to Doomsady until he puts up his shield then they throw punches the eventually destroy the planet.
Yup and there have been times he has been dropped and thrown I hear what your saying, doesn't change the fact it can happen.
Just like street lvler's all dodgeing bullets who are "peak" human, yeah doesn't work that way. That doesn't invalidate the fact it can happen because he has been knocked down and thrown with alot less🙂
Originally posted by SoleranNot really he gets thrown around very few times as classic. Yes people like the Hulk have thrown although not very far. Now idea that BFR can happen well judging from what Cain has taken and just the force that would be needed to remove him from the atmosphere I don't see it happening. And like I said in my post I see Cain hurtling backwards from the punches but nothing near what it would take to remove him the planet.
Yup and there have been times he has been dropped and thrown I hear what your saying, doesn't change the fact it can happen.Just like street lvler's all dodgeing bullets who are "peak" human, yeah doesn't work that way. That doesn't invalidate the fact it can happen because he has been knocked down and thrown with alot less🙂
Originally posted by Kon ElTechnically know one really knows what power level Cyttorak operates on and editors have described his power as limitless before not saying it is but it has been stated before.
You can't make that comparison because he's never received a hit from Doomsday, and if he did, I doubt he'd be left standing. Cyttorak's power isn't even limitless... so how could Juggernaught's be?
That being said he has taken various blows such as a Godforce Blast which I think would be on par with any fist DD has thrown. Cain only halted for a little bit and didn't move at backwards. (the only reason I think DD's punch would move Cain is becuase DD would hit Cain before Cain knew what would happen.)
The difference being that Thor isn't engineered to overcome any enemy, that's why.
Limitations: The Juggernaut does have certain vulnerabilities. He can be affected by mystical forces of sufficient strength. Without his helmet and/or skullcap, both constructed of an unknown mystical metal, he is vulnerable to psionic attacks against his mind. Nimrod, a robot from the future of an alternate Earth, successfully attacked the Juggernaut's mind and nervous system with advanced weaponry producing tight-beam high-frequency sound waves and a synapse dislocate that jammed his neural impulses.
That basically means that sonics can disrupt his neural pathways, Doomsday can allow his physiology to develop sonic blasts from his vocal chords. The difference being that unlike Juggernaught who's power relies on Cyttorak, Doomsday has limitless biological potential. The battle is a no-brainer.
Originally posted by Kon ElReally well I don't see it unless Doomsday has ever shown the ability to well evolve beyond magic which I doubt he will ever do. I hate to tell you this but how exactly will Doomsday know to grow sonics at all and a focused angry Juggernaut could probably overcome it. He once was stripped of all his flesh and was nothing but bone but becuase he was angry/focused he could still move like he had muscles and even spoke despite having no vocal cords.
The difference being that Thor isn't engineered to overcome any enemy, that's why.
Limitations: The Juggernaut does have certain vulnerabilities. He can be affected by mystical forces of sufficient strength. Without his helmet and/or skullcap, both constructed of an unknown mystical metal, he is vulnerable to psionic attacks against his mind. Nimrod, a robot from the future of an alternate Earth, successfully attacked the Juggernaut's mind and nervous system with advanced weaponry producing tight-beam high-frequency sound waves and a synapse dislocate that jammed his neural impulses.That basically means that sonics can disrupt his neural pathways, Doomsday can allow his physiology to develop sonic blasts from his vocal chords. The difference being that unlike Juggernaught who's power relies on Cyttorak, Doomsday has limitless biological potential. The battle is a no-brainer.
Grow sonics? 😆 everyone generates sonics... it's called talking, shouting, singing... basically using your larynx. Also, I don't see any of you disputing how fast Doomsday can move, but that isn't how he'd use it. Why throw Jugs into space when he can survive there? He'd probably more use it either to break the sound barrier - creating a sonic boom that would disrupt Doomsday's neural impulses, or vibrate his fingers so fast at Jugs head that it would in itself disrupt his impulses. Either way, the win would go to Doomsday. Oh unless of course you would have it that Juggernaught is in fact immune to that as well... 😗
If he doesn't know? The point of Doomsday's character is that he evolves beyond his opponent in every way. It would follow logically that during the fight he could figure it out - his character works on primal instinct, logic and the will to win. Cain operates at low-level intellect always. Bashing won't beat an opponent like Doomsday.
Originally posted by Kon ElWhat did I just state above a focused Jugger naut has infact become immunbe to telepathic attacks 😉 He did it in the 8th day Saga he was so focused on fighting someone that a tlelpath couldn't mess with his mind. And fisrt the Helmet has to come off which Doomsday couls do and by the way it wasn't just a simple sonic attack that did it was a specific sonic frequency that is used to disrupt the nervous system a simple Sonic Boom won't do anything and since when has Doomsday ever Vibrated through something.
Grow sonics? 😆 everyone generates sonics... it's called talking, shouting, singing... basically using your larynx. Also, I don't see any of you disputing how fast Doomsday can move, but that isn't how he'd use it. Why throw Jugs into space when he can survive there? He'd probably more use it either to break the sound barrier - creating a sonic boom that would disrupt Doomsday's neural impulses, or vibrate his fingers so fast at Jugs head that it would in itself disrupt his impulses. Either way, the win would go to Doomsday. Oh unless of course you would have it that Juggernaught is in fact immune to that as well... 😗
Originally posted by Kon ElAnd if you don't know the point of Classic Juggs was basically to walk into a characters comic and beat them up and basically was immune to all physical attacks and no matter what Doomsday will never be anything more than a physical character. 😉
If he doesn't know? The point of Doomsday's character is that he evolves beyond his opponent in every way. It would follow logically that during the fight he could figure it out - his character works on primal instinct, logic and the will to win. Cain operates at low-level intellect always. Bashing won't beat an opponent like Doomsday.