Juggernaut vs Doomsday

Originally posted by Kon El
He wasn't created by a 'god' he was created by a deity. That makes him the underling to a deity, and he has limitations. You guys are basically trying to ignore tha fact that there are ways and means of beating him. Obvious ways and means, and many of them. All of which are at Doomsday's disposal.

de·i·ty (dç'ĭ-tç, dâ'-)
n., pl. -ties.
A god or goddess.

The essential nature or condition of being a god; divinity.
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What ways is there of beating Juggernaut besides telepathy?

Wrong again no one knows exactly what power level Cyttorak is one and thus calling him a Deity means nothing. Cain Marko was actually made by marvel to like the very concept of destruction. His weakness is in his mind but as always its supposed to be very hard to overcome.

Doomsady has none of the ways to beat cain at his disposal a sonic attack that only messed with him for a little bit won't end the fight. Doomsday doesn't have telepathy or magic at his disposal and to say he evolves on the spot might be true but the point is he has never shown it before all his evolution has been physical and thus to say it can be more is ludicrous and not well thought out.

Originally posted by Soleran
DD has overcome Gogs and thats magic, so yes he has and a very powerful magic user at that as well as science. Cain is BFR'd with strength and power of DD cuz thats what he does and thats what he'll do again🙂 😉

Originally posted by newjak86
Correction he overcame the attacks Jugg's isn't attacking him with magic he would basically have to overcome something that he can't evolve against. Quick question how can Doomsday evolve past something he can not even touch feel or see and isn't doing anything to him.

Quick Question why should he, we have already established he is so much faster the Cain its moot. Its a BFR Juggernaut cannot even put up a shield before he gets knocked to the atmosphere to become another satellite over earth.

Originally posted by Soleran
Quick Question why should he, we have already established he is so much faster the Cain its moot. Its a BFR Juggernaut cannot even put up a shield before he gets knocked to the atmosphere to become another satellite over earth.

Yea Soleran a page or two back we went over that, go check it out

Originally posted by newjak86
And we've already gone over this even without his sheild up cain has taken blows that should send a person flying at 900 pounds easily while standing still. Doomsday will not be able to produce the force required to get Cain out of the atmospere maybe knock for a hundred miles but nothing more than that.

now we have a being who is stronger then Superman (who incidently has sent Lobo flying from a planet to outer space in one punch) and is faster then anything Juggernaut has faced before................the force DD will create with his speed and mass plus his strength will get the job done easily I might add.

Lets see 99% of light speed yeah plus his power juggs is taking a space nap. Thats also before DD evolved again later he became even faster....................but I am giving the benefit of the doubt and going with the 99% DD for ease.

How come when oomsday hit Superman he diddn't fly into space?

I could have swore that Juggernaut is more durable than Lobo, my bad.

Originally posted by Soleran
now we have a being who is stronger then Superman (who incidently has sent Lobo flying from a planet to outer space in one punch) and is faster then anything Juggernaut has faced before................the force DD will create with his speed and mass plus his strength will get the job done easily I might add.

Lets see 99% of light speed yeah plus his power juggs is taking a space nap. Thats also before DD evolved again later he became even faster....................but I am giving the benefit of the doubt and going with the 99% DD for ease.

Originally posted by newjak86
Didn't we already go over this as well you can't even be sure he moves that close to speed of light cause while Supes can fly that fast he has never shown the ability to fight that fast. Meaning he could be moving at alot less than that. Secondly what have we been saying that it isn't just what Doomsady can give out its what Cain can take he has taken things that should send him flying back before with no problem but he just stands there while I think he will be moved his body will aborb more of the attack than you seem to realize thus no BFR mate.

even at HALF the rate of light (which is being super generous considering DD's showings) Cain cannot react whatsoever to DD. DD could run up grab Jugg jump and throw him into space before Juggs blinked.

I don't think you understand speed kills, DD has it in spades..................I don't even need to use the punch technique with Juggernaut, at that speed DD runs grabs his legs spins him at hyper velocity jumps in the air and throws him into space................

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4010/172203ch.jpg if ole slow hulk can do this amp it by half the speed of light just for your delight.

Originally posted by Soleran
even at HALF the rate of light (which is being super generous considering DD's showings) Cain cannot react whatsoever to DD. DD could run up grab Jugg jump and throw him into space before Juggs blinked.

I don't think you understand speed kills, DD has it in spades..................I don't even need to use the punch technique with Juggernaut, at that speed DD runs grabs his legs spins him at hyper velocity jumps in the air and throws him into space................

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4010/172203ch.jpg if ole slow hulk can do this amp it by half the speed of light just for your delight.

Originally posted by newjak86
Hulk isn't that slow actually I know comapred to the speed your talking about and happened after Cain had him on the ground and was about to break his nech it was Hulk's last resort and if you notice Hulk was reall scared and look how far he through Cain not far at all. Try again 😉
Oh and since when does Doomsday do that huh if memeory serves right he likes to punch alot.

Your so funny, its an absolutely viable way for DD to win. Hulk runs at what 600mph thats standing still to DD....................whatever happened there with Hulk before or after he threw Juggs is moot. Its the fact that it can happen, don't sidetrack the point with useless detail.

If thats the best retort you can reply with I then feel cofident in my DD piece. Even at half the speed of light at roughly 148,000 Kilometers per second I am certain DD can MUSTER a mere 11.2 kms worth of force to jettison our little Jugg cargo................Hulk gave him a love toss compared to DD's loving throw

😉

Since when does Juggernaut fly at the speed of light?

Originally posted by Soleran
Your so funny, its an absolutely viable way for DD to win. Hulk runs at what 600mph thats standing still to DD....................whatever happened there with Hulk before or after he threw Juggs is moot. Its the fact that it can happen, don't sidetrack the point with useless detail.

If thats the best retort you can reply with I then feel cofident in my DD piece. Even at half the speed of light at roughly 148,000 Kilometers per second I am certain DD can MUSTER a mere 11.2 kms worth of force to jettison our little Jugg cargo................Hulk gave him a love toss compared to DD's loving throw

😉

You guys are unbelievable. We presented you with absolutely viable proof that there are at least 3 ways in which DD could beat Jugs and you're like 😕 NO. It wouldn't work, for no particular reason other than we think he's great...😕. basically he's out-classed, Cain has shown limitations where DD has none.

Juggernaut rip's DD in half.

Originally posted by newjak86
Yeah lets see he would have to stop running to start spinning and I hate tell you this but he would have to spin really really fast I doubt he will be spinning at that much speed seeing as he isn't running forward anymore. Plus if he starts to spin it will give time for Cain to put up his shield meaning all the work DD put into building up the spin will be lost

LOL you doubt, well then thats says it all. OK yeah next, he can spin him while running and jumping are you crazy! Hell even I can run and swing something around at the same time.

Please just stop your nonsense now, Hulk can spin him fast enough he cannot throw up a shield and he's a snail. The Hulk has no speed compared to DD.

You haven't showcased anything except that with the scan I showed Hulk who is exponentially SLOWER can do it, DD has it in the bag. Thanks but next time don't pit Juggernaut against a guy that is 99% of light speed with MONSTER strength and durability, I even dumbed him down to give you room to discuss.

Originally posted by Kon El
You guys are unbelievable. We presented you with absolutely viable proof that there are at least 3 ways in which DD could beat Jugs and you're like 😕 NO. It wouldn't work, for no particular reason other than we think he's great...😕. basically he's out-classed, Cain has shown limitations where DD has none.

Cain has ZERO way to handle that much speed , show me a guy that has moved at roughly 183,000 miles per second and attacked Juggernaut, you cannot, its never happened. Juggernaut couldn't even blink before DD had him grabbed up in the air going for a ride.

Originally posted by Soleran
LOL you doubt, well then thats says it all. OK yeah next, he can spin him while running and jumping are you crazy! Hell even I can run and swing something around at the same time.

Please just stop your nonsense now, Hulk can spin him fast enough he cannot throw up a shield and he's a snail. The Hulk has no speed compared to DD.

You haven't showcased anything except that with the scan I showed Hulk who is exponentially SLOWER can do it, DD has it in the bag. Thanks but next time don't pit Juggernaut against a guy that is 99% of light speed with MONSTER strength and durability, I even dumbed him down to give you room to discuss.

His evolution has always been based on being able evlove past people's attacks and even then just that form and only from dying from it.