Palpatine: Most powerful Sith Lord in History

Well, in the novelization and a few other places, Yoda's stated power is quite a bit. It doesn't mean Ragnos is weak, it just means the people in the PT, like Mace and the like are really strong

I was under the impression that if Yoda ever turned to the DS he would wipe his ass with Palps.

It might mean the PT people had a higher tier to them. Compare Mace Windu to say... Agen Kolar or Saesee Tiin during their fights against Palpatine. Mace is head and shoulders above them, even though they're all Council Members.

And yes, Jonathan that is correct. Dooku says so himself in Dark Rendezvous.

IMO it's still best to avoid comparing those from different eras... It gets a bit sticky.

That was Dooku's impression, yeah, though one could argue that was what Yoda wanted him to see. Though "Give me my rose" was infinitely badass

And I wouldn't rule the PT greats being higher than ancient greats. ISsue is, one appears in a comic and one in a movie and some tend to be...overblown.

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
I was under the impression that if Yoda ever turned to the DS he would wipe his ass with Palps.

Maybe. Sidious had enough difficulties defeated him when he was a Jedi. Image if he was Sith.

Woohoo!

Yup. Like the Clone Wars cartoon. Everyone is over the top.

I'm not sure Sith are inherently more powerful than Jedi...if that were true, the Brotherhood of Darkness might have done much better. Plus, Yoda'd be fighting on Palpatine's turf there. He realized himself: You can't fight the master of darkness with darkness

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm not sure Sith are inherently more powerful than Jedi...if that were true, the Brotherhood of Darkness might have done much better. Plus, Yoda'd be fighting on Palpatine's turf there. He realized himself: You can't fight the master of darkness with darkness

Of course Sith are more powerful than Jedi. Sith are trained to hunt Jedi, kill things, use their powers for offensive domination and to train themselves to their extents to MURDER. They're raised as Warriors.

Jedi train to oppose that force, of course. But they spend more time with verbal persuasion and peacekeeping techniques to try to stop a fight before it starts. Not to mention the Jedi hadn't seen the Sith for a thousand years. They weren't ready for such a faction to return.

In pure combat the Sith would have an advantage.

But since the Jedi work together and rarely betray each other, they always win in the end.

The Sith empire forgot the Jedi completely. Jedi are trained to fight as well, to eliminate darkness.

And by the same token, the Jedi hadn't seen the Sith in a millenia by Kun's time, a bit over a millenia I believe. Moreover, Yoda was the only living Jedi who knew of the possible Sith survival after Ruusan and it was implied in a few places he'd faced them once.

Problem with Sith is their power hunger, inabilities to fathom compassion and self sacrifice and total nature weakens them seriously. And the Jedi is Ruusan wrecked the Sith who ruled the galaxy for centuries and continued the training as warrior peacekeepers to Yoda's time. Ulic as a Sith Lord was beaten by Vodo and Nomi, Freedon Nadd was apparently killed by a Jedi or by an uprising. , the pinnacle battle, Luke and Palpatine, ended in Luke's win-albeit with some aid- and Luke's defeated Lumiya, many of Kaan's Sith lords were beaten in single combat, including some of his predecesors.

By the way, Sorgo, anything to say about the Sidious= strongest ever thing in light of the book and links I posted?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
The Sith empire forgot the Jedi completely. Jedi are trained to fight as well, to eliminate darkness.

And by the same token, the Jedi hadn't seen the Sith in a millenia by Kun's time, a bit over a millenia I believe. Moreover, Yoda was the only living Jedi who knew of the possible Sith survival after Ruusan and it was implied in a few places he'd faced them once.

Problem with Sith is their power hunger, inabilities to fathom compassion and self sacrifice and total nature weakens them seriously. And the Jedi is Ruusan wrecked the Sith who ruled the galaxy for centuries and continued the training as warrior peacekeepers to Yoda's time. Ulic as a Sith Lord was beaten by Vodo and Nomi, Freedon Nadd was apparently killed by a Jedi or by an uprising. , the pinnacle battle, Luke and Palpatine, ended in Luke's win-albeit with some aid- and Luke's defeated Lumiya, many of Kaan's Sith lords were beaten in single combat, including some of his predecesors.

By the way, Sorgo, anything to say about the Sidious= strongest ever thing in light of the book and links I posted?

Not much. I don't know too much about EU although I argue the shit I do know.

I've just started reading through some EU comics now so I should have a better knowledge of things soon.

Best to leave this to the Antediluvians who do possess the knowledge of the EU Comics for the time being.

I will be back. I can assure you that.

Well, don't argue that then: Just read the scan on the front page, leaf through and find the links I provided. And remember, this was co-written by Kevin J. Anderson who wrote TOTJ's story and created its characters. I even posted a link confirming on SW's official site that the NEC brought new information to the table

Plus, that info's from the comic Jedi vs. Sith-for the most part.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Well, don't argue that then: Just read the scan on the front page, leaf through and find the links I provided. And remember, this was co-written by Kevin J. Anderson who wrote TOTJ's story and created its characters. I even posted a link confirming on SW's official site that the NEC brought new information to the table

Plus, that info's from the comic Jedi vs. Sith-for the most part.

I'll get on that. Give me a second.

Take all the time you want. Apologies for the battle board comments by the way

Jedi vs Sith is the best Old Republic comics.

Redemption is also good. Can't say the same about the rest of TOTJ.

Personally, I like the Empire era comics the best.

I liked JvS...though it had some serious problems. Tomcat is probably the worst character I've ever seen in SW and Bane's MO-hacking children to bits- got old after his third appearance

Lord Hoth was a badass though.

The artwork in Jedi vs Sith was really good, much better then the rest of the old republic comics. I've also got a feeling that Zannah is going to be incredible in the Bane novel, probably the most powerful female force user ever, but it's just a feeling.

Originally posted by hord06
The artwork in Jedi vs Sith was really good, much better then the rest of the old republic comics. I've also got a feeling that Zannah is going to be incredible in the Bane novel, probably the most powerful female force user ever, but it's just a feeling.

Hoth was the eptiome of badass...and I'm not sure if Zannah'll appear much.

Thank god she went back to Ruusan and killed Tomcat...and I doubt she'd be stronger than, say...someone like Nomi or Mara...