I can think of two explanations:
Sidious saw a true continuation of the ORder in Vader
Sidious would have possessed his body.
Also, there's something I have to bring up. I've posted that the NEC states Palp= strongest Sith ever...you know who co-wrote it and thus approved or wrote it himself? Kevin. J Anderson
And you know who doesn't have the authority to make that claim? Kevin J. Anderson and Dan Wallace. Why? Because they didn't create the DE works, and they cannot make blanket statements on what is ultimately Lucas' character. Also, Ragnos is defined by Anderson as the most powerful of the most powerful, and Anderson himself has yet to refute this statement, despite your "supposed" email from Dan Wallace.
What part of a corporate system don;t you understand? NO author has that authority, it's up to LFL. KJA's co-written book declares Ragnos, HIS CHARACTER, inferior to the most powerful Sith of all time. And tom Veitch DID help to write TOTJ...now seriously, Veitch's comics stated Sidious's power...KJA's SUMMARY refers to the current time, notice Ragnos WAS the most powerful and NOW he is dead as Gav and Jori arrive? That's 5000 years ago in the past before Sidious is born
I already replied to your asshattery here.
Originally posted by Janus Marius
That's right, he is. No one else. Congrats.No really? Can you show me what it was he contributed to the book specifically? Can you? Did he write or even oversee that Sidious article?
Proof of this? Since when does LFL make the binding decisions on canon via REFERENCE MATERIAL that... uh, REFERENCES SOURCE MATERIAL?
Not really. You still haven't shown us KJA's take on the subject, and we're already pointed out that reference materials can't contradict the source materials they're based on; if they do, that's a subjective opinion inserted by the author. Apparently, Dan Wallace was the Sidious fanboy in that duo, as he's supposively emailing you and your buddy that Sidious pwns all and is better.
See above. This is not conclusive. It's a reference material. Nowhere does KJA say "Sidious > Ragnos". And a potentially faked email from Dan Wallace doesn't convince me either, especially since Dan Wallace knows ****all about Ragnos and isn't in a position to make that call because he's [b]not the author!
Let me know when that sinks in.
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And show me exactly where LFL has taken an official stance on the pecking order of the characters that are generated by independent authors. Make it something good, too. Not another faked email.
Get one thing through your head: These authors don't make ideas and send them to LFL, LFL makes the dieas and comissions THEM to write them. Often, an author's beginning and end is decided before he even starts the book. sometimes they're told how, when and where a character can or cannot die. Dan wallace was given authority to write by LFL with KJA...the source is in print with no objections from LFL or their editing and continuity team. In fact, no objections from KJA...and considering how closely he and Dan worked on the first chronology together...
And what part of 'I linked to the email' escapes you?
You know nothing about a novel franchise. Authors do not own the characters they create.
I addressed this. And now I'm going to turn in for the night. You have fun repeating the same thing over and over again. When you can prove up the authority of Dan over the creators and authors of DE and TOTJ, I'll fully entertain your "Discovery". Until then, you're outmanuevered.
Your hypocrisy really knows no bounds. What gave KJA the right over, say...Timothy Zahn or Michael Stackpole's creations that he KILLED OFF In Darksaber. Once more: IT's a corporate system so no author owns the characters. Walter Jon Williams killed the character John Luceno created, after all. Tom Veitch said Palpatine was stronger AFTER tOTJ had come out in Empire's End. You're under the impression KJA owns a damn thing and considering he signed on to this book and thus gave approval..
Sidious sucked the life out of planets and drained the force, right? If that makes him the most powerful Sith, wouldn't Nihilus be on par?
Actually, Nihilus put Kreia on her ass who is arguably on par with Sidious and he completely destroyed the life on a planet and the entire planet itself.
They said he was the strongest Sith Lord, and you taking this into your court and assuming that "ZOMG! HE IS TEH MOST POWERFUL CUZ DEY SAID SO!"
That could mean anything. We've seen Sith Lords that show better feats so doesn't that nullify your theory into fallacy?
You are also forgetting that it only took Sidious about 10 seconds to conjure up a force storm, and if I remember correctly it was just after he had been battling Luke. Yet it was powerful enough to wipe out an entire fleet. The ancient sith needed hours of meditation to perform such feats, and needed the use of amulets to actually channel that power.
Originally posted by Antediluvian
Sidious sucked the life out of planets and drained the force, right? If that makes him the most powerful Sith, wouldn't Nihilus be on par?Actually, Nihilus put Kreia on her ass who is arguably on par with Sidious and he completely destroyed the life on a planet and the entire planet itself.
They said he was the strongest Sith Lord, and you taking this into your court and assuming that "ZOMG! HE IS TEH MOST POWERFUL CUZ DEY SAID SO!"
That could mean anything. We've seen Sith Lords that show better feats so doesn't that nullify your theory into fallacy?
Not necessarily. If his sources are right its ALMOST as if Lucas straight up said "Palpatine is the most powerful Sith Lord in history". Though its not, because (according to Lightsnake) its C-Canon. But that puts it on par with all of EU. If it is, and it was written by someone with the authority to make such claims, then it doesn't matter what feats any other Sith has done, I think thats what Lightsnake is trying to get at. For instance Lucas could come out tomorrow and say "Porkins was actually the chosen one, and was going to be the most powerful Force user of all time and he lived his ship destruction and blew up the death star with his mind. Luke didn't actually destroy it" and there isn't anything anyone could do to say otherwise. This is kinda the case, except in this case its not G-Canon, its C-Canon, but it doesn't need to be G-Canon, C-Canon is all that is required.
If the New Essential Chronology is capable of retcon-ing canon and chronological events, then Lightsnake is correct. (whoaa..) And by definition (as of now) Palpatine (as of ROTS) would be the most powerful Sith of all time.
This however rests on 2 things.
1) Is the Guide Canon at all?
2) Can it retcon events?
If it can then we have no choice but to say Palpatine is the strongest. However, I hold judgement until I really look at all the facts.
The quote from NEC is vaguer than the quote on Ragnos being the most powerful of the most powerful.
"Most Powerful of Sith Lord in History" - Ok, the Roman Emperor back 2000 years was the Most Powerful Figure, but does that substantiate enough proof to say the Roman Emperor single-handedly defeating every single human of Roman History in personal combat? No.
Another example is Mao Zedong, The Most Powerful Man in China's History, yet again does that substantiate enough proof that Mao can single-handedly defeat every last Chinese in history? No.
Unless you can prove just how DE Sidious is the Most Powerful of the Most Powerful, go back into hibernation.
So Sadow blowing up a Star is a less impressive technique than Force Storm ? So Sadow producing an illusionary army that would've toppled the Republic had he not have been betrayed is a less impressive feat than Sidious's feat of Force Storm?
Honestly, Lightsnake and Numan you diminish the feats of greater Sith Lords in favour of weaker ones, true we agree that Sidious was the Most Powerful Figure in SW EU, due to him dominating the Galaxy purely through Politics and Manipulation, yet you have to prove that Ragnos is not the Most Powerful of the Most Powerful and Sidious is.
Logically speculating, also makes us assume that the Ancient Sith are much stronger than the ones that succeeded them. Kun with fractions of their teachings allowed him to overpower the Republic, every instakill from TOTJ to Kotor was said to have originated from the Ancient Sith. Also comparing them phyiscally, it depicts the Ancient Sith wielding barstard swords, that presumably, are immensly heavy, as easily as a Jedi and Sith wields a lightsaber.
Lightsnake honestly, why cant you accept that Sidious was NOT the most Powerful PHYISCALLY and in terms of the FORCE?
Because, frankly, those of you trying to argue the definition of 'powerful' are being incredibly pedantic. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that when someone is defined as 'the most powerful Sith Lord in history', they mean POWERFUL. Don't mess around saying they mean the wrong sort of power, it is VERY clear what is meant. Your tactics are those of extreme desperation, and your accusations of fanboyism look very hypocritical in lieu of that.
Anomaly's question is the cogent one. Are the sources good for what LS thinks they are or not? If they are, then he is right, and all of that crap about super powers in the earlier works are simply wrong- made up stories sourced from very over-active imaginations.
Not that I know why people try to defend them anyway. All those stories about Sith with godlike powers were shit- lazy power inflation on the part of the authors. Same problem with that they did with Luke in NJO. In their defence, though,. I would point out they are comic books, and hence things in them are exaggerated, as they were in the Clone Wars cartoons. Some of these things are, therefore, not to be taken literally as they would be on screen.
Not to mention how utterly, utterly silly this 'bastard swords are better than lightsabres because they are heavier' thing is. Cretinous nonsense. And if you are going to try and claim that Sidious is inferior because he doesn't have the physique as some previous Sith Lords, then I have to question whether you actually ever watched Star Wars at all, that being such a huge own goal in power logic in SW.
Also, I don't think it is appropriate for posters to immediately assume that that email is faked; the posters offer for you guys to email as well has rather called you out on that one.
Did i say Barstard Swords are better? No, i merely stated that they are heavier by far and yet the Ancient Sith can wield them as well as a Jedi/Sith wields a lightsaber.
Can you substantiate proof for that? That quote is as vaguer than the quote from the Narrator stating Ragnos was THE Dark Lord of the Sith, The Most Powerful of the Most Powerful, adding onto that, they're are numerous implications supporting the quote. However for Sidious, the quote is honestly unsupported, we dont doubt Sidious's prowess and power, however i myself doubt Sidious being the Strongest of All time. Also there is much more proof showing Sidious as being Most Powerful Sith Lord in history in terms of domination, politics and manipulation and not in personal combat. He is after all depicted as a politician
That "Anyone" with an ounce of common sense is infact limited to you, Numan, Lightsnake and likely a few other members within this forum, you do not speak for everyone, also you can see how many people with common sense eg Illustrious, Nai, Sorgo refute that point. Also how is assuming Sidious as the Most Powerful Sith Lord, soley in politics illogical?
Perhaps, but the credibility of the email can be questioned.