Mace and Yoda vs. Count Dooku and Sidious(ROTS)

Dodging Yoda doesnt mean that Yoda is the better duelist. In fact it probably means that Sids is better because he can withstand the best Yoda can throw at him. Plus the stormtroopers mean nothing. Yoda would dispose of them before Sids can ignite his saber.

Because he can withstand the best Yoda can throw at him means he's better? What kind of logic is that? Stormtroopers mean nothing? There were thousands of stormtroopers in the senate area that Yoda would have to deal with on top of Sidious. The fact remains that in the novel Yoda did disarm Sidious, and at the end of the fight Yoda had Sidious on his heels, and I guarantee you that if it was on an even platform Yoda would come out the victor.

The even platform part is only your opinion.It might be true it might not. But from what I could see is the two duelled and Sids came out on top. I dont know if Sids would use the stormtroopers to help him or not though. He might want to finish off the elite member of the jedi council himself.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
The even platform part is only your opinion.It might be true it might not. But from what I could see is the two duelled and Sids came out on top. I dont know if Sids would use the stormtroopers to help him or not though. He might want to finish off the elite member of the jedi council himself.

It's not my opinion it's a logical assumption. They stalemated each other with Sidious always having the higher ground, and Yoda almost took him, therefore on an even platform Yoda would take him.

They did duel on an even platform. One of those senate balconies. The only problem with it is that it was small and I thought that would have worked to Yodas advantage. After Yoda gets pushed off then you can argue high ground. Not before.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
They did duel on an even platform. One of those senate balconies. The only problem with it is that it was small and I thought that would have worked to Yodas advantage. After Yoda gets pushed off then you can argue high ground. Not before.

I wonder if we watched the same fight then. I'm convinced Sidious is no match for Yoda in a saber match, so he got the higher ground and started chucking pods at Yoda, unless you're going to argue you they were on the same level..

That was a battle of the force, not a lightsaber battle. Because Sids won the lightsaber duel he had the advantage of the high ground. But the key fact is he won the lightsaber duel.

Um, he didn't win the lightsaber duel, what on earth are you talking about. First off it is unclear in the movie how he loses his saber but he does lose it while Yoda has his, and in the novel Yoda disarms him. You are arguing from ignorance, not facts.

OK then. If your statements are true, Sids still managed to retreive the high ground WITHOUT his lightsaber.

Ok, and how does this make him more powerful? Oh wait it doesn't, he may be smarter and nobody was doubting that, but Yoda is equal to, if not more powerful than him.

Which is why Yoda lost and had to go into exile.

What do you mean lost and had to go into exile. Yoda failed to stop the sith, what does that have to do with him going into exile. For all you know he wanted to survive to train Vader's children.

Guys, Yoda and Sidious were equal. Sidious just ended not falling far. No big deal. They would stalemate each other in a fight.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Guys, Yoda and Sidious were equal. Sidious just ended not falling far. No big deal. They would stalemate each other in a fight.

They were equal when Sidious always had an advantage in terms of position (middle of the pod during lightsaber fight, higher ground in force battle, again middle of the pod during their final force duel). Still Yoda fought him out of all positions of advantage.

Now...if they were equal when Sidious had all advantages (due to enviroment) what makes you think they would still be equal on equal ground (so without one of them having an advantage) ?

Exactly what I said

Yoda > Sidious and Mace=Dooku. The Jedi take this, because whoever Yoda faces is going down hard and fast, while whoever Mace faces will enter into a longstalemate with him, until Yoda can come and PWN the remaining Sith.

exactly

Yeah, cuz Yoda brought Sidious down "hard and fast"...

Last I checked, Sidious sent Yoda blasting 200 feet down the chamber in less than 10 minutes.

Yoda's a better duelist and slightly more powerful, but nothing's stopping Palpatine from taking advantage of the environment and winning.

Last I checked Sidious didn't do anything to Yoda, that they both fell, and Yoda was smaller and lighter so he got the short end of the stick, not to mention Sidious had the "Oh shit i'm screwed" look, but way to observe. The whole argument is that Yoda is slightly better than Palpatine and he s.

The way Sidious looks means absolutely nothing so we wont even go there. Sids managed to get into the better position by out manouvering Yoda. Yoda had every opportunity to get into the better position and get the high ground but didnt because Sids was better.