The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design

Started by lord xyz51 pages

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, ID is a code word for Christianity.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, ID is a code word for Christianity.
You'll never convince Blue that. Y'see, he's always right because it's what he believes. And he'll tell you that untill your ears bleed.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
If it was designed and has a designed then guess what it must have a designer.
The universe hasn't got any intelligent design whatsoever. Name something in the universe that has been intelligently designed.

Originally posted by lord xyz
no, you posted how ID came about and who made it up. Then again, I don't believe you because you likely got this from a nutter on the internet. I'm looking fr [b]evidence okay, if ANYONE could actually make people go from Evo to ID using facts and evidence, you'd get a nobel prize. Then again, why would you want that when I have clearly become your favourite member on KMC. And you LOVE to talk to me, (and every other member on KMC seeing as everyone knows I'm right and you're a ****ing moron,) about your crap, I guess you've made a smart choice.

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What the hell does "Finding a person who converts evolutionist have to with this I posted evidence of common design.

Originally posted by lord xyz

This is a lie, I was the only person you were talking to at the time.

Oh and...

Actually it isn't, many people were asking me to post ID evidence, this just show's you can't read.

Originally posted by lord xyz
You'll never convince Blue that. Y'see, he's always right because it's what he believes. And he'll tell you that untill your ears bleed.

The universe hasn't got any intelligent design whatsoever. Name something in the universe that has been intelligently designed.

This web site. 😄 If you say it's not, then ras will kick you. 😆

Originally posted by lord xyz
You'll never convince Blue that. Y'see, he's always right because it's what he believes. And he'll tell you that untill your ears bleed.

Here you go again making things up.

Originally posted by lord xyz

The universe hasn't got any intelligent design whatsoever. Name something in the universe that has been intelligently designed.

I posted evidence, again proof you don't read.

And it's also proof you ignore rebuttals just like all you other darwinist.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
What the hell does "Finding a person who converts evolutionist have to with this I posted evidence of common design.

Actually it isn't, many people were asking me to post ID evidence, this just show's you can't read.

"many people" "you can't read" you're the one who thinks "genetic variation isn't micro'evolution" means "yes I do know that genetic variation means micro-evolution"

incase you forgot 😉

Originally posted by lord xyz
"many people" "you can't read" you're the one who thinks "genetic variation isn't micro'evolution" means "yes I do know that genetic variation means micro-evolution"

incase you forgot 😉

And again you have avoid my arguments against homology and my proof of common design, by citing a mistake I made

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And again you have avoid my arguments against homology and my proof of common design.

Your proof of common design is flawed. You have to make the assumption that nature cannot make complexity out of nothingness, and the truth is, it can.

Look up vacuum energy.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your proof of common design is flawed. You have to make the assumption that nature cannot make complexity out of nothingness, and the truth is, it can.

Look up vacuum energy.

Correction I said complexity,order, and purpose suggest a design.
And that nature is a design, nature can't make what it is unless it is intelligent designer .

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Correction I said complexity,order, and purpose suggest a design.

They make no such suggestion. That is like saying that aliens built the pyramids because their massive size suggest that humans could not do it. Humans built the pyramids and chaos created order.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
They make no such suggestion. That is like saying that aliens built the pyramids because their massive size suggest that humans could not do it. Humans built the pyramids and chaos created order.

Humans are itelligent choas is not, read what I posted.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Humans are itelligent, read what I posted.

You are changing the subject again. You are giving me doubts that humans are intelligent. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are changing the subject again. You are giving me doubts that humans are intelligent. 😆

your comparing humans to chaos?eer

EDIT: How exactly can chaos a system with no order produce order?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
your comparing humans to chaos?eer

EDIT: How exactly can chaos a system with no order produce order?

Chaos is a high form of order. I'm not concerned with the human side of you argument, I'm trying to get to the subject of design without intelligence.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Chaos is a high form of order. I'm not concerned with the human side of you argument, I'm trying to get to the subject of design without intelligence.

Chaos is the highest form of order 😆 chaos has no order what so ever. they are complete opposites.

EDIT: How can a design exist without intelligence, A designer indicates a designer, How can something with no purpose give purpose that's equivalent to saying "The accidental purpose of the heart is to circulate blood" it's an oxymoron.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Chaos is the highest form of order 😆 choas has no order what so ever. they are complete opposites.

So, you know nothing about Chaos theory?

http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html

you don't read what I post.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

Entropy, disorder, and randomness
When entropy is examined statistically it can be considered a measure of randomness. Now the more random a system is the more disordered it is. The formula for statistical entropy is:

S is entropy.

k is the Boltzmann Constant =

is the number of equivalent equally probable configurations. This is a direct measurement of disorder.

Random or disordered systems have such a significantly higher number of equivalent equally probable configurations, that they can basically be considered inevitable. Now entropy is not quite the same as disorder, but entropy is logarithmically related to disorder. Entropy can be considered a measurement of disorder in the way that the Richter Scale is a measurement of earthquakes or decibels are a measurement of sound. The result is that it is accurate to call entropy a measure of disorder. This means a reduction in entropy does result from an increase in organized complexity.

While the following concept is related to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, it extends beyond the basic concept of the second law. It comes from a statistical analysis of how energy is applied to a system affects entropy. The fact that how energy is applied is critical to an increase or decrease in entropy is evident from the difference between construction work and a bomb.

Consider a pile of wood. If a group of people work to organize the pile of wood, a building can be built that has less entropy than the pile of would. If however a bomb of equal energy is applied to the pile of wood, the result is that the pile is scattered with more entropy than the pile of wood.

Now any time energy is applied to to a system there is some degree of randomness to how it is applied. The result is that randomness of the system is moved towards that of applied energy.

= The number of equivalent equally probable states of the system.

= The number of equivalent equally probable states of the application of energy.

Now the statistical formula for entropy is:

This results in:

and

The result is that:

or

(1)

Where:

= Entropy of system.

= Entropy of energy application.

= Maximum change in entropy.

The result is that if energy is applied to a system in a manner more random than the system, then it becomes more random. If the same amount of energy is applied to a system in a manner less random than the system, then it becomes less random. This explains why organized work can build buildings, but a bomb will bring it down. The more organized application of energy would be an organizing force.

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Evolutionists claim that natural selection communicates information from the environment to populations of organisms In fact natural selection communicates nothing. All it is, is a quality control mechanism. Natural selection can only select from what already exists. In and of itself, Natural selection causes no changes in DNA. The real source of genetic change for evolution is random changes in DNA called mutations.

Now DNA is very organized, while mutations are very random. This results in the following:

then

Plugging this in to formula 1:

This results in:

This means that random mutations can only increase the entropy of DNA. Furthermore since:

then

This means that mutations will increase the randomness of DNA. As a result the best that natural selection can do is to remove the most randomized DNA. So natural selection cannot communicate anything, therefore the general theory of evolution has no oganizing force and no program. The result is that since the general theory of evolution needs to decrease the entropy of DNA and lacks an oganizing force it would seem to contradict the laws of Thermodynamics.

If I add chaos to chaos I get chaos, just like if I add water to water I get well water, but according to you adding two of the same things will produce something different.confused1

You have applied this incorrectly. We do not know if mutations add entropy to a system.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
If I add chaos to chaos I get chaos, just like if I add water to water I get well water, but according to you adding two of the same things will produce something different.confused1

We are not adding.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We are not adding.

Your not, So random mutations and the random process of natural selection has order?