The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design

Started by Shakyamunison51 pages
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Your not So random mutation and the random process of natural selection has a order?

Nothing happens by chance, cause and effect rule.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Nothing happens by chance, cause and effect rule.

Cause = purpose

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Cause = purpose

How does that reasoning work?

Originally posted by Bardock42
How does that reasoning work?

PURPOSE

an anticipated outcome that is intended or that guides your planned actions; "his intent was to provide a new translation"; "good intentions are not enough"; "it was created with the conscious aim of answering immediate needs"; "he made no secret of his designs"
function: what something is used for; "the function of an auger is to bore holes"; "ballet is beautiful but what use is it?"
aim: propose or intend; "I aim to arrive at noon"
determination: the quality of being determined to do or achieve something; "his determination showed in his every movement"; "he is a man of purpose"
reach a decision; "he resolved never to drink again"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

CAUSE

This can mean either to make something happen, or the reason that something happens.
www.attorneykennugent.com/library/c.html

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Cause = purpose

There is no beginning.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no beginning.

Nor an end 😄

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Nor an end 😄

ID is evolution.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
PURPOSE

CAUSE

You are not seriously saying that "cause" as it is used in physicsis equal to a purpose?

Originally posted by Bardock42
You are not seriously saying that "cause" as it is used in physicsis equal to a purpose?

I'm saying one aspect of cause is purpose, were getting of topic here.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I'm saying one aspect of cause is purpose, were getting of topic here.

Okay...jsut to be clear cause does obviously not equal purpose...good...so go on ....

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I'm saying one aspect of cause is purpose, were getting of topic here.

I don't think you are getting off topic. That is the hart of it. ID is the cause, is that what you are saying?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
ID is evolution.

And again no it is not, just because you believe it is doesn't make it true. there is no intelligence required in evolution according to evolutionist? and also if evolution is a intelligent design then Evolution a property of ID

Shakya you are bringing alot of philosophy into evolution, something that is not a property of evolution.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And again no it is not, just because you believe it is doesn't make it true. there is no intelligence required in evolution according to evolutionist? and also if evolution is a intelligent design then Evolution a property of ID

ID is a code word for Christianity, so it is invalid to start with. Evolution is a product of cause and effect and that does not require an intelligence ,but it does not rule one out. Intelligence is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
ID is a code word for Christianity

No it isn't I already posted why.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
. Evolution is a product of cause and effect and that does not require an intelligence ,but it does not rule one out. Intelligence is irrelevant.

And again I already posted how chaos can not be added with chaos to produce order.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have applied this incorrectly. We do not know if mutations add entropy to a system.

Regardless a mutation has no point nor a function it is simply a mistake how can adding that to system that came from chaos produce complexity ?

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And again I already posted how chaos can not be added with chaos to produce order.

You have absolutley no idea what you are talking about. Order from disorder occurs all the time, e.g. the formation of snowflakes.

🙄

I posted evidence, again proof you don't read.

no you didnt...you posted something showing that some things in the universe have mathematical similarities...i read no evidence of any designer

Regardless a mutation has no point nor a function it is simply a mistake how can adding that to system that came from chaos produce complexity ?

the genetic mutation is a mistake...the way that genetic mutation is expressed and subsequently acted upon by outside influences is what gives it the illusion that it is orderly

because almost all non beneficial mutations are weeded out by competition it is only the beneficial ones that survive...hence it makes it look like all mutations are beneficial and thus are someone "chosen"

which is completely ignoring all the animals/plants which dont survive

hence making it look like order from chaos

look at all the genetic deformities in humans... diabetes for example

they only persist because we have the technology to allow them to persist...if humans were of a ferral state then these things would simply die out

Originally posted by jaden101
no you didnt...you posted something showing that some things in the universe have mathematical similarities...i read no evidence of any designer

the genetic mutation is a mistake...the way that genetic mutation is expressed and subsequently acted upon by outside influences is what gives it the illusion that it is orderly

because almost all non beneficial mutations are weeded out by competition it is only the beneficial ones that survive...hence it makes it look like all mutations are beneficial and thus are someone "chosen"

which is completely ignoring all the animals/plants which dont survive

hence making it look like order from chaos

look at all the genetic deformities in humans... diabetes for example

they only persist because we have the technology to allow them to persist...if humans were of a ferral state then these things would simply die out


Darwin.......

Forgive me, but the more I look at the title of this thread, the more I am reminded of "jumbo shrimp" or "military intelligence."