Originally posted by lord xyz
if evo doesn't happen, where did the dinosaurs go?
They went extinct.
Originally posted by lord xyz
How come there are so many 'stages' in the earth's crust to show what lived when, and how they develop and change into eachother?
Evolution is natural science, it explains biological changes not geological
Originally posted by lord xyz
if evo doesn't happen
I said there isn't proof it happened not that it never happens.
sorry for the double post.
Originally posted by Blue nocturneor did they? Because science has shown that a lot of them could of evolved into birds.
They went extinct.
Originally posted by Blue nocturnedid you just say 'geological changes'? 🤨 or were you trying to say 'geology' it's hard seeing as you lack in english skills. the earth's crust shows stages of evolution and these 'biological changes', they're called fossils.
Evolution is natural science, it explains biological changes not geological
Originally posted by Blue nocturneso you're just skeptic, even though you've ignored many many posts? Real skeptics demand for the evidence against them and don't ignore it.
I said there isn't proof it happened not that it never happens.
Originally posted by lord xyz
did you just say 'geological changes'? 🤨 or were you trying to say 'geology' it's hard seeing as you lack in english skills. the earth's crust shows stages of evolution and these 'biological changes', they're called fossils.
How can a change in the earth's crust count as a biological change, why do you continue to post things you have little to no knowledge on?
Originally posted by lord xyz
so you're just skeptic, even though you've ignored many many posts? Real skeptics demand for the evidence against them and don't ignore it.
I've replied to everypost, On the contary you've ignored my post on homology( Since you didn't know what it was) and various other questions I've asked you.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
I've replied to everypost, On the contary you've ignored my post on homology( Since you didn't know what it was) and various other questions I've asked you.
In case you had not noticed, everyone else is ignoring your posts too. What part of "The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design" means "debate the merits of modern evolutionary theory?" Start posting evidence for Intelligent Design or stop posting in this thread.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In case you had not noticed, everyone else is ignoring your posts too. What part of "The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design" means "debate the merits of modern evolutionary theory?" [B]Start posting evidence for Intelligent Design or stop posting in this thread. [/B]
Modern is no longer the point. The future is, however! " We are the future Charles, not them! They no longer matter!" Don't you love me?
This is not for you, but only he who is intended,
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In case you had not noticed, everyone else is ignoring your posts too. What part of "The Scientific Theory of Intelligent Design" means "debate the merits of modern evolutionary theory?" [B]Start posting evidence for Intelligent Design or stop posting in this thread. [/B]
I already posted evidence for ID, But instead of putting rebuttals people just post half assed responses like "That's wrong" without elaborating why,so what's to point of posting more evidence.
Evidence 1:
Proof of common design"The golden ratio, otherwise known as the Divine Proportion or Phi, is a mathematical ratio with special properties and aesthetic significance. An enormous number of things in the universe are engineered around the ratio, ranging from the human body to snail shells to the orbits of the planets. Some argue that the prevalence of the Golden Ratio is positive evidence of a common design plan uniting a wide variety of phenomena.
The ratio itself
Phi is derived by dividing a line segment into two parts in such a way that the ratio of the smaller segment to the larger segment is the same as the ratio of the large segment to the whole.The number is irrational, meaning it never ends or repeats in a decimal system. To the first ten decimals, it is 1.6180339887 ...
A golden rectangle is one in which the ratio of length to height is 1 phi.
The divine ratio also makes an appearance in the Fibonacci sequence. the fibonacci sequence is derived by starting with 0 and 1, and then calculating the next number in the sequence by adding the last two togther. Thus the sequence is 0, 1, 1 (0+1), 2(1+1), 3(1+2), 5(2+3), 8(3+5) and so on. The ratio of a number to the previous number in the sequence approximates the golden ratio, and comes to approximate it more closely as the values increase. Thus:
8/5 = 1.6
144/89 = 1.6179775280
10946/6765 = 1.6180339985
Instances of the ratio
Because Phi is irrational, it is impossible for anything to measure at "precisely" the golden ratio. However, a large number of things approximate the golden ratio to a startling degree.Aesthetics
The divine ratio and golden rectangles appear throughout ancient architecture and art. It was believed to be the most aesthetically pleasing and harmonious means of design. Statistical analysis seems to indicate that "people involuntarily give preference to proportions that approximate to the Golden Section." The Oxford Companion to Art, Ed. Harold Osbome, First Edition, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1978, p.489.Egyptian pyramids were designed with reference to the golden ratio. Slant height / distance from center to perimeter = Phi;
Greek Parthenon designed and constructed out of golden rectangles;
Modern credit cards are golden rectangles;
The painting, The Last Supper, is based on the golden ratio;
The Notre Dame cathedral in Paris is based on the golden ratio;Humans
The human head forms a golden rectangle;.
The mouth and nose are each placed at golden sections of the distance between the eyes and the bottom of the chin.
Whole body height / head to fingertips = Phi;
Top of head to fingertips / head to navel and elbows = Phi;
Top of head to navel and elbows / head to pectorals and inside top of arms = Phi;
Top of head to navel and elbows / width of shoulders = Phi;
Top of head to navel and elbows / length of forearm = Phi;
Top of head to navel and elbows / length of shinbone = Phi;
Top of head to pectorals / top of head to base of skull = Phi;
Top of head to pectorals / width of abdomen = Phi;
Length of Forearm / length of hand = Phi;
DNA
Each cycle of the DNA molecule measures 34 angstoms long by 21 angstroms wide. 34 and 21 are fibonacci numbers, as noted above. 34/21 is 1.619, approximating phi.
Other life
The bodies of dolphins are defined by the golden ratio
The bodies of ants are defined by the golden ratio
Snail shells and many seashells are golden spirals, that is, a spiral formed by making successively smaller golden rectangles.
In plants, petals, leaves, sections, and seeds, pinecones, pineapples and sunflowers all exhibit fibonacci numbers;
Fruit seeds form in golden spirals.
Astronomy
Golden ratio in the planets: The orbital periods, mean distances, and orbital velocities of the planets in the solar system are all related by phi to a statistical significance of over 99%.[1]
The rings of Saturn form two golden sections, divided by the Cassini division.[2]
Implications
Evidence 2:
Order from chaosOrder from chaos demonstrates in mathematical terms that a system can only become more ordered when the system is acted on by energy more ordered than the system itself; further, that a system decreases in order when it is acted on by energy less ordered than the system itself;
From this it is inferred that "mutation and natural selection" are inherently incapable of increasing information and order in a system, because random mutations are less ordered than the genome itself, and therefore capable only of decreasing the order in the genome. Natural selection is merely a "quality control" mechanism whereby the worst mutations and those characteristics not suited to a particular environment are weeded out. However, neither mutation nor natural selection are capable of accounting for an increase in genetic order and information.
Entropy, disorder, and randomness
When entropy is examined statistically it can be considered a measure of randomness. Now the more random a system is the more disordered it is. The formula for statistical entropy is:S is entropy.
k is the Boltzmann Constant =
is the number of equivalent equally probable configurations. This is a direct measurement of disorder.
Random or disordered systems have such a significantly higher number of equivalent equally probable configurations, that they can basically be considered inevitable. Now entropy is not quite the same as disorder, but entropy is logarithmically related to disorder. Entropy can be considered a measurement of disorder in the way that the Richter Scale is a measurement of earthquakes or decibels are a measurement of sound. The result is that it is accurate to call entropy a measure of disorder. This means a reduction in entropy does result from an increase in organized complexity.
While the following concept is related to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, it extends beyond the basic concept of the second law. It comes from a statistical analysis of how energy is applied to a system affects entropy. The fact that how energy is applied is critical to an increase or decrease in entropy is evident from the difference between construction work and a bomb.
Consider a pile of wood. If a group of people work to organize the pile of wood, a building can be built that has less entropy than the pile of would. If however a bomb of equal energy is applied to the pile of wood, the result is that the pile is scattered with more entropy than the pile of wood.
Now any time energy is applied to to a system there is some degree of randomness to how it is applied. The result is that randomness of the system is moved towards that of applied energy.
= The number of equivalent equally probable states of the system.
= The number of equivalent equally probable states of the application of energy.
Now the statistical formula for entropy is:
This results in:
and
The result is that:
or
(1)
Where:
= Entropy of system.
= Entropy of energy application.
= Maximum change in entropy.
The result is that if energy is applied to a system in a manner more random than the system, then it becomes more random. If the same amount of energy is applied to a system in a manner less random than the system, then it becomes less random. This explains why organized work can build buildings, but a bomb will bring it down. The more organized application of energy would be an organizing force.
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Evolutionists claim that natural selection communicates information from the environment to populations of organisms In fact natural selection communicates nothing. All it is, is a quality control mechanism. Natural selection can only select from what already exists. In and of itself, Natural selection causes no changes in DNA. The real source of genetic change for evolution is random changes in DNA called mutations.
Now DNA is very organized, while mutations are very random. This results in the following:
then
Plugging this in to formula 1:
This results in:
This means that random mutations can only increase the entropy of DNA. Furthermore since:
then
This means that mutations will increase the randomness of DNA. As a result the best that natural selection can do is to remove the most randomized DNA. So natural selection cannot communicate anything, therefore the general theory of evolution has no oganizing force and no program. The result is that since the general theory of evolution needs to decrease the entropy of DNA and lacks an oganizing force it would seem to contradict the laws of Thermodynamics.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne??? I didn't say 'changes in the earth's crust'. Where do you get your ideas from? 🙄 I said 'evidence in the earth's crust', can you read at all?
How can a change in the earth's crust count as a biological change, why do you continue to post things you have little to no knowledge on?
Originally posted by Blue nocturneyou just proved yourself wrong moron. I didn't reply to homology because I don't know what it is. I have no knowledge of it.
I've replied to everypost, On the contary you've ignored my post on homology( Since you didn't know what it was) and various other questions I've asked you.
your lack in english humours me. 😂 just, what do you think evolution is anyway?
Blue> You STILL have not given us any proof of intelligent design! Where is the proof that the golden ratio was intelligently designed? It’s just so that two quantities are said to be in the golden ratio, if "the whole (i.e., the sum of the two parts) is to the larger part as the larger part is to the smaller part".
And entrophy? Yes, cool. What? Order can arise on Earth because we receive sunlight. Where is the ID?
“randomness of the system is moved towards that of applied energy = The number of equivalent equally probable states of the system = The number of equivalent equally probable states of the application of energy.”
What do you mean by that? How do you equal states of a system to states of energy-application? What do you mean by “application of energy” here???
“Evolutionists claim that natural selection communicates information from the environment to populations of organisms.”
Eh, no, they do not claim that. Please show us where evolutionists makes that claim.
“This means that random mutations can only increase the entropy of DNA.” EH, WHAT??
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Who wrote that crap?
Originally posted by lord xyzyou just proved yourself wrong moron. I didn't reply to homology because I don't know what it is. I have no knowledge of it.
your lack in english humours me. 😂 just, what do you think evolution is anyway?
And you proved my point, you don't understand the theory your defending.
Originally posted by The Omega
Blue> You STILL have not given us any proof of intelligent design! Where is the proof that the golden ratio was intelligently designed? It’s just so that two quantities are said to be in the golden ratio, if "the whole (i.e., the sum of the two parts) is to the larger part as the larger part is to the smaller part".
The golden ratio is supposed to be proof of a common design, not a designer.
Originally posted by The Omega
“randomness of the system is moved towards that of applied energy = The number of equivalent equally probable states of the system = The number of equivalent equally probable states of the application of energy.â€
What do you mean by that? How do you equal states of a system to states of energy-application? What do you mean by “application of energy†here???“Evolutionists claim that natural selection communicates information from the environment to populations of organisms.â€
Eh, no, they do not claim that. Please show us where evolutionists makes that claim.“This means that random mutations can only increase the entropy of DNA.†EH, WHAT??
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Who wrote that crap?
The article, is trying to point out that a system with less order can not produce one with more order then itself.Read it before you just nitpick.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The golden ratio is supposed to be proof of a common design, not a designer.
Originally posted by Blue nocturne
The article, is trying to point out that a system with less order can not produce one with more order then itself. Read it before you just nitpick.
I read it, you dimwit, hence my questions. Answer me: How do you equal states of a system to states of energy-application? What do you mean by “application of energy” here???
“Evolutionists claim that natural selection communicates information from the environment to populations of organisms.”
Eh, no, they do not claim that. Please show us where evolutionists makes that claim.
“This means that random mutations can only increase the entropy of DNA.” EH, WHAT??
Who wrote that crap you C&P'ed?
Originally posted by The Omega
Everything in nature strives towards the lowest possible energy-state. Any geometrical or other shape that will further this will be used in nature.
Hmm, sounds like a common design.
Originally posted by The OmegaI read it, you dimwit, hence my questions. Answer me: How do you equal states of a system to states of energy-application? What do you mean by “application of energy” here???
What's up with you Darwinist and insults, anyway the answer is in the article
Read:
The result is that if energy is applied to a system in a manner more random than the system, then it becomes more random. If the same amount of energy is applied to a system in a manner less random than the system, then it becomes less random. This explains why organized work can build buildings, but a bomb will bring it down. The more organized application of energy would be an organizing force
Originally posted by The Omega“This means that random mutations can only increase the entropy of DNA.” EH, WHAT??
Since mutations are random alterations, they just rearrange information.
Again stop nit picking and read the article.