Originally posted by debbiejo
And the verse that say "Let us make man in OUR image?".....Who were the others?And so by saying if you don't believe Jesus is god then you've just missed the bus huh??........hmmm.........You're condemning people based on your doctrine? It is only one doctrine of many and only one belief of thousands....
* let us read...
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness : and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Genesis 1:26
* God speaks with the One who is in His likeness, Someone who is in His image... and who is that?
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"
Colossians 1:15
"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person , and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Hebrews 1:2-3
* Christ is in the image of God... God is speaking with Christ when He said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"... let us remember...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God ."
John 1:1-2
* Christ was with God in the beginning... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
Scripture does teach only ONE GOD....Therefore Jesus is not god. That was instilled later on by the Roman Catholic church. Before that time Jesus was not considered divine.
The problem with scripture is that their are so many. Their are older scriptures than the bibles, it is even a theory in some places that the devil and his demons are pagan gods declared evil by the Jewish, and then the branch religion gods. (though jewdisium does not believe in the devil himself they do hold a vigil over dead bodies due to mystic beliefs associated with it, we are able to conclude that these could be the christian/catholic devil and demons). The true question here is though is God as todays common religions know him truely the one and only god, or a pagan god who pushed atop the others?
Originally posted by peejayd
* let us read..."And God said, Let [B]us
make man in our image, after our likeness : and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Genesis 1:26* God speaks with the One who is in His likeness, Someone who is in His image... and who is that?
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"
Colossians 1:15"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person , and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Hebrews 1:2-3* Christ is in the image of God... God is speaking with Christ when He said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"... let us remember...
[QUOTE=6517240]Originally posted by peejayd
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God ."
John 1:1-2
Ok lets examine this. The Word was GOD. God was the Word. The WORD was made flesh. So GOD was made flesh. So GOD is Jesus.
JohN 1:14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
If you want me to answer the "Let us" question than ask.
Question:
How can we be created in God's image if:
1) There are both MEN and WOMEN
2) There are whites, blacks, hispanics, arabs, chinese, japenese, etc.
3) There are straights, gays, bisexuals, etc.
4) There is good and evil
5) Does God have a penis? If so, why does he need it?
6) If God is creator and he is MALE, then why is it the FEMALE of every human who gives birth and actually is responsible for the progression of life?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Question:How can we be created in God's image if:
1) There are both MEN and WOMEN
2) There are whites, blacks, hispanics, arabs, chinese, japenese, etc.
3) There are straights, gays, bisexuals, etc.
4) There is good and evil
5) Does God have a penis? If so, why does he need it?
6) If God is creator and he is MALE, then why is it the FEMALE of every human who gives birth and actually is responsible for the progression of life?
Being made is God's image is not reffering to our bodily characteristics but being made after Gods own likeness who has the ability to reason, have a will, intelect, and the capacity to see, hear, and speak.
Like I said, you have to distinguish "likeness" from the other characteristics of this world and that humans are able to take part of. We are indeed created in Gods image and likeness to an extent but not to the point where the evil that we sometimes do is of God.
God is a spirit. God doesn't have a penis. I dont know why God designed humanity to where the mother gives birth and is responsible for progression and not the male. In fact, you can even look at it from a different point of view. The female egg cannot develop unless sperm fertalizes it. So the man is indeed responsible for the creation just as much if not more than the woman.
The female egg cannot develop unless sperm fertalizes it. So the man is indeed responsible for the creation just as much if not more than the woman.
Ah....but Punker my freind.....
Check this out: Have you ever heard the process of cloning? An EGG CELL is needed.
If a scientist takes an egg cell, removes the chromosones (taking out the genetic material) then re implants the egg cell with its own chromosones, the egg cell with think its fertilized and start to reproduce into a copy of that human being ( a female ofcourse)
This is fact not fiction, look this up anywhere.
The sperm is ONLY a carrier of information, and nowadays test tube babies do not require a sperm, just genetic information, even the Egg's own info.
The Egg is the life processing cell, NOT the Sperm....the sperm is only a CARRIER of information, and the Egg needs ANY genetic information, even its own to reproduce.
Indeed, WOMAN are the source of life, NOT the male.
You have lots to learn 15 yr old boy.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[B]The female egg cannot develop unless sperm fertalizes it. So the man is indeed responsible for the creation just as much if not more than the woman.Ah....but Punker my freind.....
Check this out: Have you ever heard the process of cloning? An EGG CELL is needed.
If a scientist takes an egg cell, removes the chromosones (taking out the genetic material) then re implants the egg cell with its own chromosones, the egg cell with think its fertilized and start to reproduce into a copy of that human being ( a female ofcourse)
This is fact not fiction, look this up anywhere.
The sperm is ONLY a carrier of information, and nowadays test tube babies do not require a sperm, just genetic information, even the Egg's own info.
The Egg is the life processing cell, NOT the Sperm....the sperm is only a CARRIER of information, and the Egg needs ANY genetic information, even its own to reproduce.
Indeed, WOMAN are the source of life, NOT the male.
You have lots to learn 15 yr old boy. [/B]
Such process are not even natural ways of childbirth. God designed a male and and female to create. Not some genetically induced egg. Cloning isn't biblical for only we and God can create life.
You would also assume that homosexuality is unnatural, would u not?
It's been proven that homosexuality exists in animals. Therefore it exists in nature.
Dogs, sheep, horses, alligators, etc. have been shown you have had homosexual sex, even in the presense of the opposite gender.
For you to tell me that homosexuality is unnatural, when it is found in nature is laughable.
Ne ways you DANCED around my point...my point is that WOMEN are the source of life..not men. You can't really prove otherwise.
Originally posted by Punker69
Such process are not even natural ways of childbirth. God designed a male and and female to create. Not some genetically induced egg. Cloning isn't biblical for only we and God can create life.
God didn't intend for you to communicate with cell phones, or the internet, or drive cars, or to fly, or write on paper. None of that is biblical. Take technology or leave it. You can't pick and choose.
Homosexuality is natural. The Christian stance on homosexuality is the same as it was on racism. "Blacks aren't natural. Its not natural for whites and blacks to coexist, or marry, or dring from the same fountian. All blacks go to hell" Do these arguments sound familiar? They do to me. The church will figure it out in a few decades, they're always behind.
And men are worthless, they are not sexually necessary. Thats why many females of many species eat the male after fertilization. Their only future good is food.
...and besides, the female gives birth...top that!
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It's been proven that homosexuality exists in animals. Therefore it exists in nature.Dogs, sheep, horses, alligators, etc. have been shown you have had homosexual sex, even in the presense of the opposite gender.
For you to tell me that homosexuality is unnatural, when it is found in nature is laughable.
Here's the problem. I dont believe i'm just a higher form of animal. God designed humans to make love and look each other right in the face when they do it. Not like most animals who have to get on top of each other from the back or whatever.
I wasn't even reffering to that type of natural. Theres many ways the word "natural" can be used genius.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Ne ways you DANCED around my point...my point is that WOMEN are the source of life..not men. You can't really prove otherwise.
Natural the male provides the sperm. Give me the statistics of just how many females have produced babies from artificial fertalizer.
Originally posted by Alliance
God didn't intend for you to communicate with cell phones, or the internet, or drive cars, or to fly, or write on paper. None of that is biblical. Take technology or leave it. You can't pick and choose.
Have scripture to back that up?
Originally posted by Alliance
...and besides, the female gives birth...top that!
The male provides the sperm.
Here's the problem. I dont believe i'm just a higher form of animal. God designed humans to make love and look each other right in the face when they do it.
And you beleive that gay people don't look each other in the face when they make love? You assume its just animalistic sex ? WOW....shows how much u know bro.
Not like most animals who have to get on top of each other from the back or whatever.
If you are referring to rough sex, gay, bi, and straight couples all indulge in meaningless sex. Get with the program.
I wasn't even reffering to that type of natural. Theres many ways the word "natural" can be used genius.
What kind of natural then ? Clarify
Natural the male provides the sperm. Give me the statistics of just how many females have produced babies from artificial fertalizer.
Oh quite a few my freind. One of my acquaintances named Oliver, his mother birthed him "unnaturally". He is what you would call a "test tube baby" made from a single egg and borrowed genetic material from another cell.
Have scripture to back that up?
He doesn't have 2. Scripture is not the only form of information. Open you EYES 15 year old boy.....theres TON of info all over this world !
The male provides the sperm.
You didn't "TOP" anything boy. You can't top it. Thereby this point is unsuccessful and invalid.
The woman nourishes the baby with her placenta, then suffers the PAIN and AGONY of giving birth, then most likely feeds the child her milk. SHE is the giver of life, not the man. SHE deserves more credit, not the guy. The guy only suffered an "orgasm" for this.
THE WOMAN deserves the credit bro. It's so obvious, and you have failed to counter this point. 😉
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And you beleive that gay people don't look each other in the face when they make love? You assume its just animalistic sex ? WOW....shows how much u know bro.
Describe to me how males do it then "bro".
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
If you are referring to rough sex, gay, bi, and straight couples all indulge in meaningless sex. Get with the program.
I'll pass.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What kind of natural then ? Clarify.
Normal. Society has made it normal. Wasn't normal from the beginning which is why its receiving such persecution now from people who dont want homosexual relationships to be acknowledged in the same way hederosexual relationships are.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Oh quite a few my freind. One of my acquaintances named Oliver, his mother birthed him "unnaturally". He is what you would call a "test tube baby" made from a single egg and borrowed genetic material from another cell.
I didn't ask for your "quite a few my friend". I asked for statistics. Afraid it will only weaken your argument?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
He doesn't have 2. Scripture is not the only form of information. Open you EYES 15 year old boy.....theres TON of info all over this world
He said "God never intended for cellphone etc to be a form of communication". When you make a statement like that you've got to be reffering to something Biblical or else he wouldn't have used God as his suject. My god, your dumb. Open your eyes and read.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You didn't "TOP" anything boy. You can't top it. Thereby this point is unsuccessful and invalid.
lol, it must not top anything because you said it. 🙄
Its amazing how a
"Punker69, out of curiosity, no insult intended, how old are you ?"
Turned into the derogative of amazing one of your statement towards me. Shows immature and how you can't carry on an intelligent coversation without something to crutch on.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The woman nourishes the baby with her placenta, then suffers the PAIN and AGONY of giving birth, then most likely feeds the child her milk. SHE is the giver of life, not the man. SHE deserves more credit, not the guy. The guy only suffered an "orgasm" for this.THE WOMAN deserves the credit bro. It's so obvious, and you have failed to counter this point. 😉
Without the sperm the egg wouldn't have been fertilized and the baby wouldn't exist. And in most cases the woman receives an orgasm too.
No, the woman does not deserve all the credit.
In most cases the woman is proably faking the orgasm. The only part essential to the creation of human live in the sperm is the DNA. Evry thing else comes from the female: the cell, the DNA, the organelles, even the barrier that prevents multiple fertlization. All the important stuff is from the female. The male stuff is meaningless and esentially, is so easy to change even with non-advanced current technologies. 99.99999999% (approx) of birthing is the females work. The male gets one second of injection. Thats it. The female provides all the nutrients and even pushes the baby out.
And FYI, there is more than one sexual position...they all work the same.
I know the mother does most of the work. But that doesn't mean she deserves all of the credit. Thats just ludicrous. Escpecially if her husband is a good one and has to live with her for 9 months while she's going through this pregnancy and helps her out with whatever she needs.
Its all a matter of how you look at it. You look at it as a momentary ejaculation or sperm, I see it as what causes the conception and without it there is none.
Describe to me how males do it then "bro".
LOL
Despite what you may already percieve about gay men and women, MANY gay men and women actually LOVE each other. The same love heterosexuals feel for each other.
For your information, there are many positions in that type of sex, not just back on back. I'd rather not get into that, it doesn't support my point in any way.
Normal. Society has made it normal. Wasn't normal from the beginning which is why its receiving such persecution now from people who dont want homosexual relationships to be acknowledged in the same way hederosexual relationships are.
What is "normal" is all subjective. Why should homosexual relationships be treated with less respect than heterosexual relationships? That's TOTAL discrimination, and i can't beleive you dont SEE THAT.
I didn't ask for your "quite a few my friend". I asked for statistics. Afraid it will only weaken your argument?
I feel it's unnecessary. Why should I make any comprimises with you? You REFUSE to argue by any other standard other than the Bible, so why should I argue the way you ask me 2 ?
You also dance around most of my questions, you skip a lot of my points and disregard many valid points i make.
Why should I grant you any higher respect than you've given me ?
He said "God never intended for cellphone etc to be a form of communication". When you make a statement like that you've got to be reffering to something Biblical or else he wouldn't have used God as his suject. My god, your dumb. Open your eyes and read.
Not necessarily. The Bible is not the only representation of God. We have the Torah and Quran as well. Also there are people here like Hindus and Buddhists who do not follow the same God/religion you do.
OPEN MY EYES????? LOL stop copying my argument bro, ur hilarious !
OMG I've already clarified that I DO READ...these debates, the Bible, and other sources of info. Compared to you i am VERY open minded because i am open to the possibility that i may be wrong.
I KNOW that i do not know everything, and you think that you KNOW or are going to know ALL THERE IS to know.....YOU are close minded. Your eyes are only open to your Bible, all your posts back my opinion up on this, and you seem to have your eyes and ears closed to all other forms of truth and knowledge.
Do i know this for a FACT? NO....do i beleive this based on everything you have said ? YES
You add to your OWN stereotype. I am not stereotyping you...you are STEREOTYPING yourself.
lol, it must not top anything because you said it.
Its amazing how a
"Punker69, out of curiosity, no insult intended, how old are you ?"
Turned into the derogative of amazing one of your statement towards me. Shows immature and how you can't carry on an intelligent coversation without something to crutch on.
Can't carry an intelligent convesation without something to crutch on ?
You mean like you with your Bible ?
I wanted to know your age, because from your REASONING....not your Biblical knowledge....your REASONING.....you sounded like you were around 14.
Without the sperm the egg wouldn't have been fertilized and the baby wouldn't exist. And in most cases the woman receives an orgasm too.
Like I said technically, if we wanted to prolong the human race, we don't need the sperm anymore.
The woman deserves more credit because she is the one who gives birth, that simple.
Actually, dude, most women admit to faking orgasms very often. I don't expect you to know that, as sexual culture and trivia is something you may steer away from (no stereo type intended....i assume this because you obviously look at sex from ONE perspective alone, and probably know nothing about gays, bis, lesbians, women, men who do not see sex the same way you do)