The Doctrine of One God

Originally posted by Jury
Why do I need to? I am not denying the truth that Jesus manifested in the flesh. We, human beings, are all manifested in the flesh. Is there a problem with that?

* yes... humans are not manifested in the flesh... humans ARE flesh... Christ is the Word manifested in the flesh, and the Word is God... Christ is a God...

Originally posted by Jury
You didn't get the point, peejayd. Your taking the word "exist" too literal. If you don't believe that we are all part of God's plan in the beginning, so you didn't "exist" in the beginning.

[b]Now, you don't believe God has given us grace before the time began?[/B]

* yes, God has given us grace even before the foundation of the world... but we do NOT exist before the foundation of world... but Christ do...

Originally posted by Jury
What was there in the beginning with the Father is the LOGOS... not Jesus Christ Himself.

* that Logos was God in the beginning, that Logos was with God in the beginning, and that Logos was manifested in the flesh... that Logos is Christ...

Originally posted by Jury
Did I say any contradictions to that verse? There,in that verse, if it is true that the Father and Jesus are both Gods, why not Apostle Paul said: "there is but one God, the Father... and one God, Jesus Christ"? Truly, because the Apostles does not uphold that there are two Gods.

* one God, the Creator... with that twisted logic, it will automatically imply that the Father is not a Lord... it says only one Lord...

Originally posted by Jury
The truth remains that Christ will come with His Father's glory.

* nope... you can't refute the verses i gave...

Originally posted by Jury
Not according to Apostle Paul - but according to you.

* and you just disregarded the verses i gave? no, it really is according to Saint Paul...

Originally posted by Jury
We'll discuss this on the other post I made for Philippians 2:6-8.

* sure...

Originally posted by Jury
I never said that Jesus is not our Savior.

🙂

* Saint Paul wrote the epistle to his co-worker Titus and for the members of the Church of God in their time... and Christ is the Saviour of the Church... Christ is the great God and Saviour Saint Paul is talking about...

Originally posted by Jury
Peejayd will surely tell you: "Jesus doesn't need to".

🙂

* yes, because Christ's mission is to bear witness for the Father... and in turn, the Father will bear witness for Christ... what did the Father said to Christ?

"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God , is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom."
Hebrews 1:8

* the Father addressed Christ as a "God"... who are you to contest it?

Originally posted by debbiejo
Should Jesus be worshipped then?

Originally posted by Jury
I already told you, right? And you haven't answered my questions yet.

🙂

* so what's really your answer?

"And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him .
But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man ."
Acts 10:25-26

* men of God never accepts worship...

"And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant , and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God ."
Revelation 22:8-9

* even an angel of God never accepts worship... he gave a recommendation who to worship, God...

* Christ accepts worship because He is the Only Begotten Son of God, and by being so, He really is a God...

JURY, I have two more questions for you that I would like you to answer.

Isaiah 45:21-23 says,

21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

(Just look at the words God uses to describe himself. "None beside me", "No God else beside me". But this is not my point)

22Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

(Again look at the strong words God uses "there is NONE else". Again this is not my point.)

23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

I want you look at the last part of the verse. "That unto ME every knee shall bow and every tongue shall swear". That means unto God alone every knee shall bow and confess he is Lord.

Now I want to turn over to Philippians 2:10-11

It says,

10.That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11.And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

So we see that God says in Isaiah that unto him every knee is going to bow and every tongue is going to swear that he is lord. And then we flip over to the New Testament and find that in the end every tongue is going to confess and every knee is going to bow (Just as said in Isaiah 45:23) to JESUS CHRIST. Same thing. This is means that Jesus and God are the same and that in the end every knee if going to bow to Jesus Christ who is God.

"To the glory of God the Father" means that when we bow to Jesus we are also going to be glorifying the spirit that is in him and is him which is God the Father.

One more question.

Revelation 1:8

This is Jesus speaking.

8.I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Notice the words the BEGINNING and the ENDING. He (Jesus) was the beginning and he is the ending. But notice the last part of the verse. "which is, and which was, and which is to come"

Now lets go to chapter 4:2

2.And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

We read here that John is in spirit looking at the ONE THRONE that sat in heaven and the ONE that sat on that throne.

Skip down to verse 8

8.And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

The four beast where calling the ONE that sat on the throne "LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come." The same thing Jesus called himself. So can we conclude that the same God that the four beast where worshipping on the throne is Jesus?

I'm pretty sure we can but what are your views.

This is Jesus speaking.

8.I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

Also said by RA, Dionysus amongst others.....

http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/superstition/biblemiscellany.htm

Let's step out of the box and take a peak...

In-as-much as Mithraism was so popular in Rome, it is no wonder why the pagan Emperor Constantine, who believed in the sun god, Mithras, designated a certain day of the week to him, Sunday, which means, “the day of the sun.”

The original "Christian" faith became a mix of pagan, Mithramic, Jeudeo/Christian teaching. This lead to the confusing mix of theology that we have today within the "Christian" community. This apostacy from the original simple and plain teachings of Christ was accelerated by the persecutions and killings of any who tried to support the "old" ways. Maybe this solves the mystery of the “ungodly” marriage between Mithraism and the cult of Jesus. As it turns out, it was all for political convenience! But, Christians think they are better than that today. In short: The "Christianity" they have today has almost no relationship, in doctrine or in way of life, to the "the original teachings of Jesus."

In my mind, there are two Jesus' teachings. Jesus the Jew and Jesus the Gentile, which by the way is really Paul's Jesus. And guess which one Christians follow? The ex-pagan Constantine liked Paul's Jesus over Jesus the Jew. Jesus and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.

For instance, many of the world's crucified "god-men" have their traditional birthday on December 25. This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earth-centric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21 or 22, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again.

During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25. The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th. The following are the characteristics of the "sun" of God:

a. The sun "dies" for three days on December 22, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25, it resumes its movement north.
b. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
c. The sun is the "Light of the World."
d. The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
e. The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
f. The sun wears a corona ("crown of thorns"😉 or a halo.
g. The sun "walks on water."
h. The sun's "followers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the Zodiac, through which the sun must pass.
i. The sun is "crucified," which represents it's passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
http://chat.mapleleafs.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t21698.html

Ok....

And?????????..........Are you able to look outside your box?? Can you see that Christianity is much the same as older religions?

COPIED!!

I'm surprised Christianity never took this route...
"Yes, Christianity is based on Judasim and other assorted, earlier faiths. But it took up where they left off, completing and perfecting the Path to God."

Or maybe it did take that route...I might've fallen asleep during the commercial.

Originally posted by debbiejo
And?????????..........Are you able to look outside your box?? Can you see that Christianity is much the same as older religions?

COPIED!!

Can you try not bring your little conspiracy theory into my threads. This is a place discuss the doctrine of One God not your veiws on the Bible and its credibility. This is getting annoying. You always find a way to work your theory into almost every discussion while ignoring the question at hand.

It not a conspiracy theory............It's my view, and I am entitled to it......It's all how you look at it. There is one thing or many that are part of the one thing...There IMO is one conglomerate, and we are part of it..

Originally posted by debbiejo
It not a conspiracy theory............It's my view, and I am entitled to it......It's all how you look at it. There is one thing or many that are part of the one thing...There IMO is one conglomerate, and we are part of it..

Your bring your "view" into almost every thread even if its off-topic and away from the point.

It does not pertain to the Doctrine of one God. Discuss it elsewhere in your own thread or a thread made for it.

You're just angry because the Bible teaches only ONE GOD.....And Jurys not gonna give up on ya...............lol..............I told ya you'll die an old man before Jury gives up........ 🙄
Soooooo if you want to go by that old book...IT DOES ONLY TEACH ONE GOD.....Jesus never said he was god.....He prayed to his father, which is god, and he told others that "Only one is good and that is God."...not speaking of himself....He taught others how to pray to god in the "Lords Prayer".....Jesus is not god.........

Originally posted by debbiejo
You're just angry because the Bible teaches only ONE GOD.....And Jurys not gonna give up on ya...............lol..............I told ya you'll die an old man before Jury gives up........ 🙄
Soooooo if you want to go by that old book...IT DOES ONLY TEACH ONE GOD.....Jesus never said he was god.....He prayed to his father, which is god, and he told others that "Only one is good and that is God."...not speaking of himself....He taught others how to pray to god in the "Lords Prayer".....Jesus is not god.........

It doesn't bother me what Jury's view are one bit. Its just an online conversation. I know whats true and I know what the Bible teaches. Jury can twist scripture around all he wants to claim something to be true. If I wanted to I can even promote the doctrine of seven gods and have a scripture to back me up.

Jesus never said he was God because he thought we where smarter than that. All the things he said about himself point that he is God. All the things the gospels and books following teach about Jesus being God. Just look at some of the scriptures i've posted above.

God said I and my Father are ONE. Taking this into context you understand the people Jesus was talking to knew what this meant. If Jesus said he and the Father where one he meant they where the same person or being. Jury would like to say "one in unity". But Jesus also said to Philip "He who hath seen me hath seen the father". Lets say i'm married to a woman and me and her become one flesh and are in unity together. When someone walks up to me and says "show me your wife", I wouldn't say, "He who hath see Josh hath seen my wife". Because that would make sense now would it? Its all about twisting scripture around to get the results you want. Jury's pretty good at it. But I dont give my opinions and philosophies because those would just be corrupt. I just tell what scripture says. And scripture says "Hear o Israel the Lord our God is one Lord".

It's all interpretation.......So are you saying that if you don't belief Jesus is god then you are somewhat condemned to hell?

No, its not at all interpretation. Its what the Bible teaches. I've tooken it into context and the Bible says Jesus and his Father are ONE. And it also says he who hath seen Jesus hath seen the Father. Timothy says in 1 Timothy 3:16

16.And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifested in FLESH. Who preached to the gentiles? Jesus. Who was believed in the world? Jesus. Who ascended into heaven and was received up into glory? Jesus.

John 1:1
1.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14And the Word was MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The word was God. The word was made flesh. Jesus.

Yes! If you dont even believe that Jesus is God as taught by him and his disciples then you've missed it all together.

And the verse that say "Let us make man in OUR image?".....Who were the others?

And so by saying if you don't believe Jesus is god then you've just missed the bus huh??........hmmm.........You're condemning people based on your doctrine? It is only one doctrine of many and only one belief of thousands....

God was talking about his glory and he was talking to himself because in the verse immediatley following it says "And God made man in his own image". His is the key word.

Also in Isaiah 44:24

24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

God is saying in this verse that he is the LORD that maketh ALL things ALONE. He spreadeth abroad the earth BY HIMSELF.

Its not just MY doctrine. Its was the Bible teaches.

Originally posted by Punker69
God was talking about his glory and he was talking to himself because in the verse immediatley following it says "And God made man in his own image". His is the key word.

Why would God refer to Himself in the plural?

It is thought by many to be a form of expressing his glory. I think its called the plurality of majesties that was used by alot of kings in Biblical times. I haven't yet studied it so I cant explain all too well.

I do know, however, that in the proceeding verse it says God made man in his own. It seems like clarification to me.

What would be the purpose of a god being one sex or the other when the bible says that angels have no sex. Once you do not have a body, and are spirit, how can you have a sex....you're are like wind....Sex is for procreation and such, why would a god need unles you're SAYING!!!!.........Gods doing it?? 😱 .....Then again how could god do it if it's wind.....I mean think about it.....

Elohim (אֱלוֹהִים , אלהי&#1501😉 is a Hebrew word which expresses concepts of divinity. It is apparently related to the Hebrew word ēl, though morphologically it consists of the Hebrew word Eloah (אלו&#1492😉 with a plural suffix. Elohim is the third word in the Hebrew text of Genesis and occurs frequently throughout the Hebrew Bible. Its exact significance is often disputed.

In some cases (e.g. Ex. 3:4 ...Elohim called unto him out of the midst of the bush...), it acts as a singular noun in Hebrew grammar (see next section), and is then generally understood to denote the single God of Israel. In other cases, Elohim acts as an ordinary plural of the word Eloah (אלו&#1492😉, and refers to the polytheistic notion of multiple gods (for example, Ex. 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.). This may reflect the use of the word "Elohim" found in the late Bronze Age texts of Canaanite Ugarit, where Elohim ('lhm) was found to be a word denoting the entire Canaanite pantheon (the family of El אל, the patriarchal creator god).

In still other cases, the meaning is not clear from the text, but may refer to powerful beings (e.g. Gen. 6:2 the sons of Elohim saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them for wives..., Ex. 4:16 and you [Moses] will be as Elohim to him [Aaron], Ex. 22:28 Thou shalt not curse Elohim, or curse a ruler of your people, where the parallelism suggests that Elohim may refer to human rulers).

I posted this in another thread too....sorry...Couldn't control myself again..

Ok....