The Doctrine of One God

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Originally posted by Punker69
Ok lets examine this. The Word was GOD. God was the Word. The WORD was made flesh. So GOD was made flesh. So GOD is Jesus.

JohN 1:14

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

If you want me to answer the "Let us" question than ask.

* nope...

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning ."
James 1:17

* God the Father cannot change...

"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God ."
Psalms 90:2

* God is still God from everlasting to everlasting... He cannot change... who did?

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God ."
Revelation 19:13

"And the Word was made flesh , and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
John 1:14

"Who, being in the form of God , thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men :"
Philippians 2:6-7

* the Word (which was God) that was manifested in the flesh is Christ, and not the Father... 😉

* the "LET US"-issue... i already answered it, the Father was speaking with Christ... 😉

agreed, the Father was speaking with Christ. Other's could have been present as well.

Christ is still God, he just isn't His own Father.

What if you don't beleive in God ?

I do..but i dont beleive in your God.

And im VERY happy with my own life....i bet you think my happiness is an illusion lolol

...actually, The devil makes you happy. You're going to burn in hell. 😐

Actually, i've always envisoined hell as very cold.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Word (which was God) that was manifested in the flesh is Christ, and not the Father...

So the Father is not God?

Originally posted by peejayd
* let us read...

"And God said, Let [B]us make man in our image, after our likeness : and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
Genesis 1:26

* God speaks with the One who is in His likeness, Someone who is in His image... and who is that?

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"
Colossians 1:15

"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person , and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Hebrews 1:2-3

* Christ is in the image of God... God is speaking with Christ when He said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"... let us remember...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God ."
John 1:1-2

* Christ was with God in the beginning... 😉 [/B]

Then in Proverbs why is wisdom considered a woman as stated by David? Why does it have to be male? Also, God's wisdom in the Proverbs is personified as a female (e.g., Proverbs 1:20, 8:11, 9:1), yet we are told in the New Testament that Jesus is the Wisdom of God (1Corinthians 1:24).

Feminine images for God (drawn from women’s cultural activity).
1. God as a seamstress making clothes for Israel to wear (Neh. 9:21).
2. God as a midwife attending a birth (Ps. 22:9-10a, 71:6; Isa. 66:9) (midwife was a role only for women in ancient Israel).
3. God as a woman working leaven into bread (Lk. 13:18-21). This feminine image is equivalent to the image of God as masculine in the preceding parable of the mustard seed.
4. God as a woman seeking a lost coin (Lk. 15:8-10).This feminine image is equivalent to the image of God as masculine in the preceding parable of the shepherd seeking a lost sheep. Both Luke 13 and 15 contain paired masculine and feminine images for God, drawn from activities of Galilean peasants.

Additional examples of the divine feminine.
1. Female bird imagery. Yahweh is described by an analogy to the action of a female bird protecting her young (Ps. 17:8, 36:7, 57:1, 91:1, 4; Isa. 31:5; Dt. 32:11-12).
a. The eagle: Dt. 32:11-12: "As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings: so the Lord alone did lead Jacob ...." (KJV). The female eagle, both larger and stronger than the male, does the bulk of the incubation of the eggs as well as the hunting. She is the one who bears the eaglets on her wings when it is time for them to leave the nest. In a sudden movement, she swoops down to force them to fly alone, but always stays near enough to swoop back under them when they become too weary to fly on their own. It is a powerful image of God nurturing and supporting us when we are weak, yet always encouraging us to grow and mature. Cf. Ex. 19:4, "I bore you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself," and Job 39:27-30.
The hen: Mt. 23:37 (par. Lk. 13:34; cf. Ruth 2:12): "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not." In his lament over Jerusalem, Jesus employs feminine imagery. Whereas the magnificent eagle is associated with light, sun, height, mobility and exteriority, the lowly hen is "associated with the shadows and darkness of the henhouse, and with depth and stillness and interiority beneath the mothering wings" (V. Mollenkott, The Divine Feminine [Crossroad, 1987], 93). Each image illuminates a different, important aspect of God’s relation to us.
2. God as Mother Bear (Hosea 13:8), a fierce image associated with the profound attachment of the mother to her cubs. God’s rage against those who withhold gratitude is that of a bear "robbed of her cubs."
3. Holy Spirit (in Hebrew, feminine; in Greek, neuter) is often associated with women’s functions: the birthing process (Jn. 3:5; cf. Jn. 1:13, 1 Jn. 4:7b, 5:1, 4, 18), consoling, comforting, an eschatological groaning in travail of childbirth, emotional warmth, and inspiration.

Respect for Life and Happiness are all that truly matter.

Religion TO ME is worthless. I understand its importance and impact on the lives of those who go by it. But it me its a bunch of fairy tales.

Yup. Religion is a personal choice. You need to keep it personal.

Most Definately

Ei, sorry for not responding thsese days. Im just busy with drawing stuff at work. Ill get them on soon. 😉

Ahnold: THE JUUURY IS OOUUUUUUT!

Originally posted by Punker69
So the Father is not God?

* the Father is God... He has a Son, Christ... Christ is also a God... see here...

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I ."
John 14:28

* the Father is greater than Christ... it would be inappropriate for this verse to say that the Father is greater than Christ if Christ is the Father Himself... 😉

Originally posted by debbiejo
Then in Proverbs why is wisdom considered a woman as stated by David? Why does it have to be male? Also, God's wisdom in the Proverbs is personified as a female (e.g., Proverbs 1:20, 8:11, 9:1), yet we are told in the New Testament that [B]Jesus is the Wisdom of God (1Corinthians 1:24).
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* sorry, i gotta cut your post... in the Old Testament, Christ was not introduced by the Father... and on the other thread, i have proved that the word "wisdom" is always referred to by a feminine pronoun... 😉

* so God doing feminine things when He's supposed to be a male? He's God...

"He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?
He that chastiseth the heathen, shall not he correct? he that teacheth man knowledge, shall not he know?"
Psalms 94:9-10

* the ability of giving birth, if only female species can do it, so God cannot? God even makes an exception: the male seahorses give birth, and not their female species...

* and see here:

"God is a Spirit : and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
John 4:24

* God is a spirit...

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit ."
John 3:6

* God can give birth... He gave birth to Christ...

"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father , he hath declared him."
John 1:18

* Christ was in the bosom of God... then...

"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"
Hebrews 1:5

* see? 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Father is God... He has a Son, Christ... Christ is also a God... see here...

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I ."
John 14:28

* the Father is greater than Christ... it would be inappropriate for this verse to say that the Father is greater than Christ if Christ is the Father Himself... 😉

I would like you tell me what the Holy Spirit is. It would seem to be that in your opinion since the Holy Spirit is God than it would be God in spiritual action. Correct?

Stop ending your post post with a "😉". You haven't proven anything 🙂

Jesus is inferiour to God? What about John 5:18. Where Jesus called God his father. When tooken into context we realize this meant he was equal with God. So how do we have a subordination in the Godhead?

Collosians 2:10 also says that " ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:". This speaking of Jesus. Doesn't sound like anyone is greater that Jesus does it?

Revelations 19:26 also calls him the "King of Kings" and "Lord of Lords" Do you see any kind of subordination there?

Also are you a Trinitarian?

Originally posted by Punker69
Stop ending your post post with a "😉". You haven't proven anything 🙂

WILD APPLAUSE!

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Father is God... He has a Son, Christ... Christ is also a God... see here...

Sorry I got to cut you off right here. Did you skip Isaiah 9:6?

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father , The Prince of Peace"

most likely, he only quotes passages that support his opinon. No one else botheres to go through the whole thing and find passages that contradict what he's saying, until you of course.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Word (which was God) that was manifested in the flesh is Christ, and not the Father... 😉

The Father is God! You said so yourself.

Originally posted by peejayd
* the Father is God...

Does John 1:14 or Timothy 3:16 say that 1/3 of God was made flesh? No, it says GOD was made flesh.

Originally posted by Punker69
I would like you tell me what the Holy Spirit is. It would seem to be that in your opinion since the Holy Spirit is God than it would be God in spiritual action. Correct?

* nope...

Originally posted by Punker69
Stop ending your post post with a "😉". You haven't proven anything 🙂

* oh? so how's this -> 😉 😉 😉

Originally posted by Punker69
Jesus is inferiour to God? What about John 5:18. Where Jesus called God his father. When tooken into context we realize this meant he was equal with God. So how do we have a subordination in the Godhead?

* if Christ was equal with God, how could Christ be the Father?

Originally posted by Punker69
Collosians 2:10 also says that " ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:". This speaking of Jesus. Doesn't sound like anyone is greater that Jesus does it?

* yes, but look what happens next...

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
I Corinthians 15:28

* did i just proved something?

Originally posted by Punker69
Revelations 19:26 also calls him the "King of Kings" and "Lord of Lords" Do you see any kind of subordination there?

* missed this?

"Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see
: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
I Timothy 6:15-16

* this proves that Christ with all the glory will eventually subject Himself under the power of the Father, as states in I Corinthians 15:28... 😉

* and this?

"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God , and your God .
John 20:17

* how's that?

Originally posted by Punker69
Also are you a Trinitarian?

* nope...

Originally posted by Punker69
Sorry I got to cut you off right here. Did you skip Isaiah 9:6?

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The [b]mighty God, The everlasting Father , The Prince of Peace" [/B]

* so? Christ is also a God, and an everlasting Father...

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting ."
Micah 5:2

* how's that? 😉 😉 😉

Originally posted by Punker69
The Father is God! You said so yourself.

* the Word was God... maybe you missed that... 😉

Originally posted by Punker69
Does John 1:14 or Timothy 3:16 say that 1/3 of God was made flesh? No, it says GOD was made flesh.

* it was Christ, not the Father... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* oh? so how's this -> 😉 😉 😉

Dont show your maturity to quickly.

Originally posted by peejayd
if Christ was equal with God, how could Christ be the Father?

Because they are one (John 10:30)

Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, but look what happens next...

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
I Corinthians 15:28

* did i just proved something?

No, in the end the flesh of God will have completed its purpose. And the Son will be submerged into God's plan. God sent his son into the world to manifest God. Jesus was conceived in the womb and put on all the nature of humanity except sin. In the end the flesh will have completed its purpose and God is going to be all an all.

Originally posted by peejayd
"Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see
: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."
I Timothy 6:15-16

* this proves that Christ with all the glory will eventually subject Himself under the power of the Father, as states in I Corinthians 15:28... 😉

Not it doesn't.

Originally posted by peejayd
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [B]to my God , and your God .
John 20:17
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Jesus speaking in his humanity.

Originally posted by peejayd
* so? Christ is also a God, and an everlasting Father...

"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from [B]everlasting ."
Micah 5:2

* how's that? 😉 😉 😉 [/B]

Christ isn't "a god". He is God.

What are you talking about? You basically just proved a point I would make. That pasage of scripture describes Jesus and how he is from old and everlasting. He is the everlasting father.

What point are you trying to make?