Originally posted by The Great GalenWhen has Thanos gone down to pure force?
I dont see it that close, Thanos doesn have the speed and is not SMP peer in strength. The only thing that is comparable is durability but we have seen Thanos go down with force before. Prime either speedblitz or just straight out beats the crap outta him. SMP 8/10
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. The only other times he has been beated was from being put in the Speed Force, being depowered, and BFR via Guardians(which only amped him). So humor me, in what way has SMP been beaten through pure force?2. No, he toyed with him. SMP wasn't even trying. As a matter of fact, I don't think SMP even PUNCHED him, he mostly just bumped him around and threw cars at him. SMP didn't even take Superboy seriously as any kind of threat.
3. Because that was what was shown. 😐 Odin slammed his fists upward and broke through. SMP was battling 3 Guardians, Superman, many GLs, and many Sinestro Corps. members, I may of forgotten a few others. What you fail to see is without a BFR which killed the Guardian who did it, none of those characters could put down SMP. Who has Thanos beaten who is more powerful than SMP? The only one who MIGHT be that comes to mind is The Maker, and she was clearly vulnerable to mindrape, despite her "infinite power". And yeah, I would say SMP could replicate Thor's feat. And Odin broke said Force Block. And arguing SMP's superior physical strength over Odin is...Well it's stupid.
4. After Monarch blew up in his fight with SMP, we get pages showing SMP drifting in space and TT pulling him into the future. It's pretty clear IMO.
5. Gee, I don't know, Gamora maybe? Thanos raped Silver Surfer, who is weaker than SMP. Wowz. SMP totally b!tched Ion in the worst way. SMP took Ion as a joke. SMP has shot HV clean through a GL and injured a Guardian. He overpowered a horde of heroes on top of him, who included Superman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Wondergirl, Powergirl, and Supergirl. Superman as you know is a top-tier and the rest of them though not quite top tier are still vastly strong class 100s. And those are just the ones I can remember. No one has put down SMP with force. They had to either BFR or depower him.
Oh and my personal opinion on this fight is SMP wins 6/10.
I completely agree. Although I think it's worth noting the times SMP was beaten via bfr and depowering were purely circumstantial.
When SMP was bfred by the Flash's(5 of them) he was clearly traumatized(having just become a murderer), and not truly putting up a fight.
And when the Superman took him through the Red Sun, SMP was pretty unprepared for that tactic. Had he known he was headed for a red sun, he would have stopped the Supermen in there tracks
Originally posted by quanchi1121. Hasn't fought anyone more powerful than a top tier? Bullshit. Guardians are above top tier, at least in the Transcendant range. They couldn't do SHIT to Prime. SMP beat Hal Jordan with ease, pretty much one shotted him, punching him in the jaw while breaking his jaw. He had Guy Gardner at his mercy with one arm. He one shotted the Martian Manhunter. SMP is way more impressive than Surfer, and Sodam Yat was a joke compared to SMP.
1. He hasnt fought anyone more powerful than a top tier and defeated them save the guardian powerup. Thanos has defeated more impressive top tiers also. Surfer is way more impressive than sodam Yat.
2.Prime wanted him dead is the point. He didnt even kill him. Superboy destroyed the tower.
3.Odin waved his hands at Thanos before and you could tell it was his power as well. I believe he used his power to break free from the pure force block. Odin is a more powerful character than Prime. Again at the end of sinestro corps it was a battlezone. Prime didnt defeat anyone worth noting. He was sucker all kinds of characters but didnt do any real damage to any known characters. Prime didnt fight any of these characters long enough to beat them or himself get beat. Thor in the blood and thunder arc has more impressive feats than Prime imo. Thor with the power gem would annihilate Prime. Prime could never physically beat him.4.Why was it stated that everything in the universe was destroyed. how come no one saw Prime and how come the Monitor didnt know either?
5.Thanos sparred with Gamora but wasnt serious at all. He killed her before when she opposed him. Silver Surfer is more impressive than any of Prime's victories. Ion is a joke imo. he was a rookie with his powers and didnt know what he was doing when he took on Prime. So every feat Ion does in the future you cant apply to his first fight with his new powers. Prime shot hv through a nameless gl. Predos Dooosday tore through multiple gl's as well. he overpowered but didnt defeat them. He escaped them is all.
Again Prime hasnt beaten anyone that impressive one on one. So I still am not impressed.
2. Once again, that was suited SMP, not full power. FP SMP toyed with Superboy in a fight.
3. Odin raised his hands upwards and broke the block. Nothing indicates he broke it any other way than physically. Odin is physically not a more powerful character than SMP, only overall, and Odin had no real problems with Thanos, Thanos didn't harm him once, Thanos only showed some good durability. Odin was b!tching Thanos. Was a battlezone with many characters trying to simultaneously beat SMP, even the SC after SMP BFRed the AM. 3 Guardians, all who are above top tier, couldn't do shit to him, and one killed himself to beat SMP, and still only managed to BFR him and accidently amp him. Thor with the PG's feats don't match up to SMP's IMO.
4. Maybe because the blast knocked SMP really really far back? 😐 It was a big bang, there aren't many people in comics who can take a blast like that without being knocked back.
5. Gamora still was able to physically harm Thanos. Unless Thanos can magically lower his durability, her punches can hurt him. Really? Silver Surfer is around or a little above Hal Jordan, who SMP one shotted, and the Guardian's are by Hal's words much more powerful than him, and one of them died in the fight with SMP. Ion was a joke to SMP. And the HV went right through and injured a Guardian. Oh, and previously, a severely weakened SMP with a wrecked Solar Suit shot HV through Superman's shoulder like butter. Superman's durability is well known, and a severely weakened SMP's HV went right through him. He can overpower them, yet is weaker than them? Some amazing logic there mate.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxI'd say the Guardian's are skyfather level. Seeing as how anyone gaurdian can beat 100 lanterns. And the gaurdian's have trans level beings who are still below them. Thier Alpha lanterns and Sodom yat are below gaurdians power.
1. Hasn't fought anyone more powerful than a top tier? Bullshit. Guardians are above top tier, at least in the Transcendant range. They couldn't do SHIT to Prime. SMP beat Hal Jordan with ease, pretty much one shotted him, punching him in the jaw while breaking his jaw. He had Guy Gardner at his mercy with one arm. He one shotted the Martian Manhunter. SMP is way more impressive than Surfer, and Sodam Yat was a joke compared to SMP.2. Once again, that was suited SMP, not full power. FP SMP toyed with Superboy in a fight.
3. Odin raised his hands upwards and broke the block. Nothing indicates he broke it any other way than physically. Odin is physically not a more powerful character than SMP, only overall, and Odin had no real problems with Thanos, Thanos didn't harm him once, Thanos only showed some good durability. Odin was b!tching Thanos. Was a battlezone with many characters trying to simultaneously beat SMP, even the SC after SMP BFRed the AM. 3 Guardians, all who are above top tier, couldn't do shit to him, and one killed himself to beat SMP, and still only managed to BFR him and accidently amp him. Thor with the PG's feats don't match up to SMP's IMO.
4. Maybe because the blast knocked SMP really really far back? 😐 It was a big bang, there aren't many people in comics who can take a blast like that without being knocked back.
5. Gamora still was able to physically harm Thanos. Unless Thanos can magically lower his durability, her punches can hurt him. Really? Silver Surfer is around or a little above Hal Jordan, who SMP one shotted, and the Guardian's are by Hal's words much more powerful than him, and one of them died in the fight with SMP. Ion was a joke to SMP. And the HV went right through and injured a Guardian. Oh, and previously, a severely weakened SMP with a wrecked Solar Suit shot HV through Superman's shoulder like butter. Superman's durability is well known, and a severely weakened SMP's HV went right through him. He can overpower them, yet is weaker than them? Some amazing logic there mate.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Hasn't fought anyone more powerful than a top tier? Bullshit. Guardians are above top tier, at least in the Transcendant range. They couldn't do SHIT to Prime. SMP beat Hal Jordan with ease, pretty much one shotted him, punching him in the jaw while breaking his jaw. He had Guy Gardner at his mercy with one arm. He one shotted the Martian Manhunter. SMP is way more impressive than Surfer, and Sodam Yat was a joke compared to SMP.2. Once again, that was suited SMP, not full power. FP SMP toyed with Superboy in a fight.
3. Odin raised his hands upwards and broke the block. Nothing indicates he broke it any other way than physically. Odin is physically not a more powerful character than SMP, only overall, and Odin had no real problems with Thanos, Thanos didn't harm him once, Thanos only showed some good durability. Odin was b!tching Thanos. Was a battlezone with many characters trying to simultaneously beat SMP, even the SC after SMP BFRed the AM. 3 Guardians, all who are above top tier, couldn't do shit to him, and one killed himself to beat SMP, and still only managed to BFR him and accidently amp him. Thor with the PG's feats don't match up to SMP's IMO.
4. Maybe because the blast knocked SMP really really far back? 😐 It was a big bang, there aren't many people in comics who can take a blast like that without being knocked back.
5. Gamora still was able to physically harm Thanos. Unless Thanos can magically lower his durability, her punches can hurt him. Really? Silver Surfer is around or a little above Hal Jordan, who SMP one shotted, and the Guardian's are by Hal's words much more powerful than him, and one of them died in the fight with SMP. Ion was a joke to SMP. And the HV went right through and injured a Guardian. Oh, and previously, a severely weakened SMP with a wrecked Solar Suit shot HV through Superman's shoulder like butter. Superman's durability is well known, and a severely weakened SMP's HV went right through him. He can overpower them, yet is weaker than them? Some amazing logic there mate.
1. Ok slow down and actually read what I posted next time. I said he hasnt defeated anyone more powerful than a top tier. So since he didnt defeat a Guardian then thats a moot point friend. Prime imo would beat the Surfer but I SAID that Surfer is more impressive than Yat. read what I post please before you go off on a tangent wasting your time.
2.Prime even in his suit should be able to dominate superboy. Thats my point friend.
3.I disagree with the physical part and said before that he waved his hands before and you could tell he was using his power not his physicality. The rest of your post on this matter is moot. Thanos was upgraded. Its also my opinion that Odin would defeat Prime so it proves nothing anyways either way imo. Prime likewise couldnt defeat a Guardian. Name me some impressive guardian feats please. Thor with the power gem actually defeated a group of top tiers and he was getting more powerful with each passing moment after this. Thor has better feats imo.
4.Again the monitor would know if someone else were alive. Makes no sense that he wouldnt know.
5. Thanos wasnt trying his hardest and was only fooling around. When he wanted to he killed her. Thats the point friend. Surfer is greater than Hal glad we agree. Thanos beat the shit out of him. Prime didnt defeat Hal imo and only injured him. A guardian bfr'd Prime easily. He couldnt escape that grip. Point is they easily defeated him well one did. Ion is a joke period imo. He also didnt know how to utilize his powers as he just got them. Ok he shot through Superman. I have seen characters knock him senseless while Prime didnt beat him. Nope not at all. He broke free from them. It doesnt mean he can defeat all of them. Thats just your opinion.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxUh. No. Guardians when blasting Superman Prime were making him yelp like a dog. And when he started grappling with one, he was helpless. Just. No.
1. Hasn't fought anyone more powerful than a top tier? Bullshit. Guardians are above top tier, at least in the Transcendant range. They couldn't do SHIT to Prime. SMP beat Hal Jordan with ease, pretty much one shotted him, punching him in the jaw while breaking his jaw. He had Guy Gardner at his mercy with one arm. He one shotted the Martian Manhunter. SMP is way more impressive than Surfer, and Sodam Yat was a joke compared to SMP.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxSuited Superman Prime is pretty much the same thing as natural sunlight Superman Prime. In fact, his more impressive feats come when he's suited.
2. Once again, that was suited SMP, not full power. FP SMP toyed with Superboy in a fight.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxGuardians intentionally removed him from the universe atom by atom. It wasn't an accident, it was intentional.
3. Odin raised his hands upwards and broke the block. Nothing indicates he broke it any other way than physically. Odin is physically not a more powerful character than SMP, only overall, and Odin had no real problems with Thanos, Thanos didn't harm him once, Thanos only showed some good durability. Odin was b!tching Thanos. Was a battlezone with many characters trying to simultaneously beat SMP, even the SC after SMP BFRed the AM. 3 Guardians, all who are above top tier, couldn't do shit to him, and one killed himself to beat SMP, and still only managed to BFR him and accidently amp him. Thor with the PG's feats don't match up to SMP's IMO.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxA sapling survived it. 😛
4. Maybe because the blast knocked SMP really really far back? 😐 It was a big bang, there aren't many people in comics who can take a blast like that without being knocked back.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxWhen did Gamora hurt Thanos? Ion started getting his butt kicked when he was stabbed by lead. Twice. And that all happened before Ion finally decided to not hold back. Lead kills Daxamites so fast, it's not even funny. Why do you think Mon-El is still trapped in the Phantom Zone in ethereal form? Lead poisoning to Daxamites >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kryptonite poisoning to Kryptonians. And Black Adam overpowered a hella lot of heroes in World War III when he was thrashing about unhinged. Doesn't mean he's stronger than all those heroes combined.
5. Gamora still was able to physically harm Thanos. Unless Thanos can magically lower his durability, her punches can hurt him. Really? Silver Surfer is around or a little above Hal Jordan, who SMP one shotted, and the Guardian's are by Hal's words much more powerful than him, and one of them died in the fight with SMP. Ion was a joke to SMP. And the HV went right through and injured a Guardian. Oh, and previously, a severely weakened SMP with a wrecked Solar Suit shot HV through Superman's shoulder like butter. Superman's durability is well known, and a severely weakened SMP's HV went right through him. He can overpower them, yet is weaker than them? Some amazing logic there mate.
Originally posted by OneDumbG01. I never said they couldn't hurt him. But they could not beat him either. Guardians>A top tier by a fairly good deal, and by Quanchi's A>B>C rules you have to have good showings against top tiers or above to be Thanos level apparently.
Uh. No. Guardians when blasting Superman Prime were making him yelp like a dog. And when he started grappling with one, he was helpless. Just. No.
Suited Superman Prime is pretty much the same thing as natural sunlight Superman Prime. In fact, his more impressive feats come when he's suited.
Guardians intentionally removed him from the universe atom by atom. It wasn't an accident, it was intentional.
A sapling survived it. 😛
When did Gamora hurt Thanos? Ion started getting his butt kicked when he was stabbed by lead. Twice. And that all happened before Ion finally decided to not hold back. Lead kills Daxamites so fast, it's not even funny. Why do you think Mon-El is still trapped in the Phantom Zone in ethereal form? Lead poisoning to Daxamites >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kryptonite poisoning to Kryptonians. And Black Adam overpowered a hella lot of heroes in World War III when he was thrashing about unhinged. Doesn't mean he's stronger than all those heroes combined.
2. Besides the fact that Superboy gave him trouble, he moved planets when without a suit, and it was even said that he is weaker when he has the suit in Sinestro Corps. War? The suit will never compare to actually being under the yellow sun for SMP.
3. Never said it was an accident, I was mostly referring to how they accidently empowered him. And it shows they could not kill him, a Guardian had to kill himself just to BFR SMP.
4. That Sapling was the Spectre in disguise. 131
5. They were having a spar match, and a kick from her drew blood, not alot, and of course she could never beat him, but she can hurt him. Ion got stabbed by lead but wasn't weakened because his ring was blocking the poison from killing him, he did lose his powers with the ring but that should be insignifigant next to the power Ion grants. Not to mention he then after being stabbed gained his Daxamite powers and still lost. I would say with the loss of his ring followed by the gain of Daxamite powers he was at the same general level through the fight. I didn't read WWIII(btw is it good? If it is I will read it.), did he literally overpower a group of heroes at the same time? SMP, literally overpowered the group of heroes, all pushing him to the ground and beating on him, by flying upwards. I would say he overpowered them all, and did it easily.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxErr. What makes you think they couldn't beat him? They shot him once, made him scream in pain... then that Guardian immediately decides to BFR him. And he couldn't escape his physical grip.
1. I never said they couldn't hurt him. But they could not beat him either. Guardians>A top tier by a fairly good deal, and by Quanchi's A>B>C rules you have to have good showings against top tiers or above to be Thanos level apparently.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxYeah but, Superboy giving him trouble isn't exactly a low feat. Superman Prime with his suit outraced all of Earth's heroes when he was trying to get to Oa. He smashed through 300 mile thick wall of GL energy and the times he actually speedblitzes the Flashes are when he is in his suit. I'd venture to say that he is either as strong or stronger than when he has a suit on.
2. Besides the fact that Superboy gave him trouble, he moved planets when without a suit, and it was even said that he is weaker when he has the suit in Sinestro Corps. War? The suit will never compare to actually being under the yellow sun for SMP.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxAh, I see what you meant. But I don't think that was proof they couldn't kill him. To me, it seemed like removing him from the universe was the quickest way to get rid of Superman Prime. And since they don't have Monitor technology or access to the Speedforce, the traditional methods of hoppin around alternative universes, I don't think his sacrifice is conclusory evidence that they couldn't kill him. I mean... he couldn't even escape from their grip. Seems obvious that a Guardian has actual superior physical strength.
3. Never said it was an accident, I was mostly referring to how they accidently empowered him. And it shows they could not kill him, a Guardian had to kill himself just to BFR SMP.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx😂 Touche... touche.
4. That Sapling was the Spectre in disguise. 131
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxWell, I don't think Sodam Yat has ever fully regained his Daxamite powers. The ring suspends the poisoning, but I was pretty sure it actually still has an effect on him. If it cured or reversed the damage done to his Daxamite physiology, then Superman could simply use a GL ring to cure Mon-El. Of course... he can't. Nothing has proven capable of reversing lead poisoning to a Daxamite, IIRC. You should read World War III. Black Adam does indeed overpower a similar group of heroes all at the same time. Pretty sure that Power Girl, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Alan Scott, Donna Troy, the whole JSA, Martian Manhunter...
5. They were having a spar match, and a kick from her drew blood, not alot, and of course she could never beat him, but she can hurt him. Ion got stabbed by lead but wasn't weakened because his ring was blocking the poison from killing him, he did lose his powers with the ring but that should be insignifigant next to the power Ion grants. Not to mention he then after being stabbed gained his Daxamite powers and still lost. I would say with the loss of his ring followed by the gain of Daxamite powers he was at the same general level through the fight. I didn't read WWIII(btw is it good? If it is I will read it.), did he literally overpower a group of heroes at the same time? SMP, literally overpowered the group of heroes, all pushing him to the ground and beating on him, by flying upwards. I would say he overpowered them all, and did it easily.
... ah screw it. This is easier. He manhandles all these guys and he didn't have the benefit of Green and Yellow Lantern Corps members running around fighting each other and everybody else:
Anyway, like I said before, if Black Adam can do that, then an unhinged Superman could do that. And pretty much that's what Superman Prime did himself. Now... if Superman Prime were knocking Superman and Power Girl out with one-shots and stuff... then I would consider his rampages in Infinite Crisis and Sinestro Corps War to be more impressive. But just like Black Adam here, he only manages to keep fending them off and preventing them from subduing him. But we don't credit Black Adam as being more powerful than all those folks put together, right? So anyway, those are my two cents and I'm peacin out for now. Time to drink some alcohol!
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Err. What makes you think they couldn't beat him? They shot him once, made him scream in pain... then that Guardian immediately decides to BFR him. And he couldn't escape his physical grip.
Yeah but, Superboy giving him trouble isn't exactly a low feat. Superman Prime with his suit outraced all of Earth's heroes when he was trying to get to Oa. He smashed through 300 mile thick wall of GL energy and the times he actually speedblitzes the Flashes are when he is in his suit. I'd venture to say that he is either as strong or stronger than when he has a suit on.
Ah, I see what you meant. But I don't think that was proof they couldn't kill him. To me, it seemed like removing him from the universe was the quickest way to get rid of Superman Prime. And since they don't have Monitor technology or access to the Speedforce, the traditional methods of hoppin around alternative universes, I don't think his sacrifice is conclusory evidence that they couldn't kill him. I mean... he couldn't even escape from their grip. Seems obvious that a Guardian has actual superior physical strength.
😂 Touche... touche.
Well, I don't think Sodam Yat has ever fully regained his Daxamite powers. the ring suspends the poisoning, but I was pretty sure it actually still has an effect on him. If it cured or reversed the damage done to his Daxamite physiology, then Superman could simply use a GL ring to cure Mon-El. Of course... he can't. Nothing has proven capable of reversing lead poisoning to a Daxamite, IIRC. You should read World War Three. Black Adam does indeed overpower a similar group of heroes all at the same time. Pretty sure that Power Girl, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Alan Scott, Donna Troy, the whole JSA, Martian Manhunter...... ah screw it. He manhandles all these guys and he didn't have the benefit of Green and Yellow Lantern Corps members running around fighting each other and everybody else:
The scans have been posted, when the guardians shot SMP, he did not scream at all, he turned his head grinning, and assaulted them.
Its been shown on panel, that the suit is only used when his energy reserves are drained, thus he wears the suit when he is at his lowest power levels.
Such as when he was trapped in the speed force for four years with no yellow sunlight, and when he was trapped by the lanterns with no yellow sunlight.
Originally posted by quanchi1121. Sorry it was late last night when I typed that. SMP was made as a team wrecker of top-tiers and weaker, like I said he isn't typically put up against characters on his level. He is more of a Galactus type character(do not mistake this for me saying he is as powerful as Galactus I'm not), in that he fights obviously less powerful foes and is not beaten by them through pure force, he had to be depowered or BFRed. A Guardian died fighting SMP, SMP didn't die fighting a Guardian, if that ain't beating, what is? And this isn't some BS A>B>C war over who has beaten who, SMP has shown feats that put him on some levels above Thanos, while Thanos is superior in others. But SMP also was able to completely dominate powerful GLs like Guy Gardner and Hal Jordan who is a peer of Silver Surfer IMO.
1. Ok slow down and actually read what I posted next time. I said he hasnt defeated anyone more powerful than a top tier. So since he didnt defeat a Guardian then thats a moot point friend. Prime imo would beat the Surfer but I SAID that Surfer is more impressive than Yat. read what I post please before you go off on a tangent wasting your time.2.Prime even in his suit should be able to dominate superboy. Thats my point friend.
3.I disagree with the physical part and said before that he waved his hands before and you could tell he was using his power not his physicality. The rest of your post on this matter is moot. Thanos was upgraded. Its also my opinion that Odin would defeat Prime so it proves nothing anyways either way imo. Prime likewise couldnt defeat a Guardian. Name me some impressive guardian feats please. Thor with the power gem actually defeated a group of top tiers and he was getting more powerful with each passing moment after this. Thor has better feats imo.
4.Again the monitor would know if someone else were alive. Makes no sense that he wouldnt know.
5. Thanos wasnt trying his hardest and was only fooling around. When he wanted to he killed her. Thats the point friend. Surfer is greater than Hal glad we agree. Thanos beat the shit out of him. Prime didnt defeat Hal imo and only injured him. A guardian bfr'd Prime easily. He couldnt escape that grip. Point is they easily defeated him well one did. Ion is a joke period imo. He also didnt know how to utilize his powers as he just got them. Ok he shot through Superman. I have seen characters knock him senseless while Prime didnt beat him. Nope not at all. He broke free from them. It doesnt mean he can defeat all of them. Thats just your opinion.
2. Oh granted that is why I consider that fight PIS. SMP was shown to be faster than both the Supermen, and Hal Jordan as well, all FTL characters, and characters well above Superboy, and was shown to be able to easily dominate Hal Jordan as well, yet Superboy gave him a fight? That is BS.
3. He didn't wave his hands, I just checked. He just raised his fists through it. You couldn't tell he was using any power at all. My point is that SMP is physically more powerful than Odin. SMP couldn't beat a Guardian? Even though one died to BFR him? It doesn't take a genius to figure out the outcome of a fight between SMP and a Guardian when one died to BFR him. Well one Guardian can empower 100 GLs for one. Though I am not a Guardian expert by a long shot. SMP once empowered by the yellow sun easily overpowered some top tiers and others with pure force. Also SMP has one shotted powerful top tiers like Hal Jordan.
4. Other than the Monitor not being Omniscient? Why would he know, right after SMP survived TT pulled him from the past into the future, the Monitor had no time to check up on SMP(like he would have a real reason to).
5. So he can magically lower his durability? Answer that question. Surfer is IMO a bit stronger than Hal, but not by much. SMP one shotted him and broke his arm. SMP didn't beat Hal? Hal was at SMP's mercy just like Guy was, with a broken arm what was he gonna do? The Guardian easily defeated him? That is the most bullshit thing you have probably ever said, if Guardian easily beat Prime, why did the Guardian DIE? In a fight, if one is BFRed(if SMP wanted to he could have easily went back to the battlefield btw) by an opponent who dies while BFRing him, who is the real victor? The dead one or the living one? As for Ion being a joke, he did a better job against SMP than Superman did, who is top tier. He went right through Superman, if he aimed for idk, the head, Superman would be dead. So now SMP can't beat Superman? Well I'm really not even going to argue an with you on an incredibly stupid point like that. He physically overpowered them all. That's not an opinion, that's an on-panel fact.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx1.Again Prime did nothing of the sort to defeat any Guardian. All he did was get himself bfr'd and easily at that.
1. I never said they couldn't hurt him. But they could not beat him either. Guardians>A top tier by a fairly good deal, and by Quanchi's A>B>C rules you have to have good showings against top tiers or above to be Thanos level apparently.2. Besides the fact that Superboy gave him trouble, he moved planets when without a suit, and it was even said that he is weaker when he has the suit in Sinestro Corps. War? The suit will never compare to actually being under the yellow sun for SMP.
3. Never said it was an accident, I was mostly referring to how they accidently empowered him. And it shows they could not kill him, a Guardian had to kill himself just to BFR SMP.
4. That Sapling was the Spectre in disguise. 131
5. They were having a spar match, and a kick from her drew blood, not alot, and of course she could never beat him, but she can hurt him. Ion got stabbed by lead but wasn't weakened because his ring was blocking the poison from killing him, he did lose his powers with the ring but that should be insignifigant next to the power Ion grants. Not to mention he then after being stabbed gained his Daxamite powers and still lost. I would say with the loss of his ring followed by the gain of Daxamite powers he was at the same general level through the fight. I didn't read WWIII(btw is it good? If it is I will read it.), did he literally overpower a group of heroes at the same time? SMP, literally overpowered the group of heroes, all pushing him to the ground and beating on him, by flying upwards. I would say he overpowered them all, and did it easily.
2.Prove that he is greater with his suit than without it.
3.The miscalculated. Do you really think all of the Guardians when banded together could not defeat Prime other than bfring him? Really?
4.A joke. Ok. Nice dodge.
5.She hurt a Thanos who wasnt out to kill her. So it proves that when Thanos is only fooling around that she can draw blood. Thats it. Thanos has already killed her and why you keep bringing this up like its proof is beyond me.
In WW3 Black Adam was doing much better than Prime imo with regards to causing damage and kicking the shit out of them all. Prime was basically always on the run.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Again Prime did nothing of the sort to defeat any Guardian. All he did was get himself bfr'd and easily at that.2.Prove that he is greater with his suit than without it.
3.The miscalculated. Do you really think all of the Guardians when banded together could not defeat Prime other than bfring him? Really?
4.A joke. Ok. Nice dodge.
5.She hurt a Thanos who wasnt out to kill her. So it proves that when Thanos is only fooling around that she can draw blood. Thats it. Thanos has already killed her and why you keep bringing this up like its proof is beyond me.
In WW3 Black Adam was doing much better than Prime imo with regards to causing damage and kicking the shit out of them all. Prime was basically always on the run.
Quanchi do you look at DC's statements at all? You seem to ignore anything you dont like.
For example, that DC openly stated, the writer of the series, that the suit was only used when his cell reserves ran out, he uses the suit when at his lowest levels.
Just as you didn't believe that Marvel stated that The End series and the HOTU was one single universe? and then Galactic storm post the Marvel statement, the comic summary, an the LT BIO, which all state it was one single universe, nothing more.
Company statements > fan interpretation.
One last bit before copious amounts of alcohol, followed inevitably by swearing to God once again that I will never drink againi provided he takes away the pain of my hangover...
Originally posted by Board WalkerOnce again, I don't know what evidence you're referring to that he's weaker in his powersuit then when he's taking in natural sunlight. His most impressive feats, barring a Guardian amp, are when he's in his powersuit. And I dunno man... but he sure looks like he's screaming here:
The scans have been posted, when the guardians shot SMP, he did not scream at all, he turned his head grinning, and assaulted them.Its been shown on panel, that the suit is only used when his energy reserves are drained, thus he wears the suit when he is at his lowest power levels.
Such as when he was trapped in the speed force for four years with no yellow sunlight, and when he was trapped by the lanterns with no yellow sunlight.
Originally posted by Board WalkerAgain I didnt say whether or not I believed he as more powerful with or without the suit I simply asked him to back up his claims.
Quanchi do you look at DC's statements at all? You seem to ignore anything you dont like.For example, that DC openly stated, the writer of the series, that the suit was only used when his cell reserves ran out, he uses the suit when at his lowest levels.
Just as you didn't believe that Marvel stated that The End series and the HOTU was one single universe? and then Galactic storm post the Marvel statement, the comic summary, an the LT BIO, which all state it was one single universe, nothing more.
Company statements > fan interpretation.
Care to post this proof?
Originally posted by Board WalkerMaybe they were screams of joy?
Quanchi do you look at DC's statements at all? You seem to ignore anything you dont like.For example, that DC openly stated, the writer of the series, that the suit was only used when his cell reserves ran out, he uses the suit when at his lowest levels.
Just as you didn't believe that Marvel stated that The End series and the HOTU was one single universe? and then Galactic storm post the Marvel statement, the comic summary, an the LT BIO, which all state it was one single universe, nothing more.
Company statements > fan interpretation.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again I didnt say whether or not I believed he as more powerful with or without the suit I simply asked him to back up his claims.Care to post this proof?
Just like you wanted proof that HOTU was stated by marvel to be a single universe?
Yeah ill get the DC statement that the suit was only used when his cells were empty.
