SuperBoy Prime Vs. Thanos

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maybe they were screams of joy?

saying aaaaoooowwww is a scream of infinite pain? Its more like an annoyance since their combined attacks slowed him down not int he slightest, and hes grinning in the next panel.

Yeah that was sure some pain alright, not.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Sorry it was late last night when I typed that. SMP was made as a team wrecker of top-tiers and weaker, like I said he isn't typically put up against characters on his level. He is more of a Galactus type character(do not mistake this for me saying he is as powerful as Galactus I'm not), in that he fights obviously less powerful foes and is not beaten by them through pure force, he had to be depowered or BFRed. A Guardian died fighting SMP, SMP didn't die fighting a Guardian, if that ain't beating, what is? And this isn't some BS A>B>C war over who has beaten who, SMP has shown feats that put him on some levels above Thanos, while Thanos is superior in others. But SMP also was able to completely dominate powerful GLs like Guy Gardner and Hal Jordan who is a peer of Silver Surfer IMO.

2. Oh granted that is why I consider that fight PIS. SMP was shown to be faster than both the Supermen, and Hal Jordan as well, all FTL characters, and characters well above Superboy, and was shown to be able to easily dominate Hal Jordan as well, yet Superboy gave him a fight? That is BS.

3. He didn't wave his hands, I just checked. He just raised his fists through it. You couldn't tell he was using any power at all. My point is that SMP is physically more powerful than Odin. SMP couldn't beat a Guardian? Even though one died to BFR him? It doesn't take a genius to figure out the outcome of a fight between SMP and a Guardian when one died to BFR him. Well one Guardian can empower 100 GLs for one. Though I am not a Guardian expert by a long shot. SMP once empowered by the yellow sun easily overpowered some top tiers and others with pure force. Also SMP has one shotted powerful top tiers like Hal Jordan.

4. Other than the Monitor not being Omniscient? Why would he know, right after SMP survived TT pulled him from the past into the future, the Monitor had no time to check up on SMP(like he would have a real reason to).

5. So he can magically lower his durability? Answer that question. Surfer is IMO a bit stronger than Hal, but not by much. SMP one shotted him and broke his arm. SMP didn't beat Hal? Hal was at SMP's mercy just like Guy was, with a broken arm what was he gonna do? The Guardian easily defeated him? That is the most bullshit thing you have probably ever said, if Guardian easily beat Prime, why did the Guardian DIE? In a fight, if one is BFRed(if SMP wanted to he could have easily went back to the battlefield btw) by an opponent who dies while BFRing him, who is the real victor? The dead one or the living one? As for Ion being a joke, he did a better job against SMP than Superman did, who is top tier. He went right through Superman, if he aimed for idk, the head, Superman would be dead. So now SMP can't beat Superman? Well I'm really not even going to argue an with you on an incredibly stupid point like that. He physically overpowered them all. That's not an opinion, that's an on-panel fact.

1. Quickly. I think you admitted earlier that the Surfer is greater than Hal Jordan. Uhm Thanos dominates a top tier more powerful and with better feats imo than any top tier that Prime has beaten the shit out of. Thanos actually beat Surfer into submission.

2.Again you call it bs. But its canon and all is fair game. The good,the bad, and the ugly is all fair game as long as its canon.

3.Again Prime failed to beat one Guardian while they have been known to commit suicide before to take care of a problem. Until Prime beats one all you have is speculation and wishful thinking. You cant tell that he wasnt using any power and you cant tell he wasnt. Point is Odin is more powerful than Thor and he wouldnt fall victim to what beat power gem Thor.

4.The Monitor rebuilt his universe. He saved the sapling. He would have known if Prime survived. It makes much more sense to me that the time trapper saved him than for your theory to be true.

5.What does it have to do with his durability? If he wants her dead she wont land the hits. You do realize that say if you and I fight and I am much tougher than you that if i pull punches you can beat me up. Pulling my punches would make me much weaker. Hal had a broken arm but that doesnt mean he lost. They didnt finish the fight. Now I think Hal would have bene defeated but I have seen heroes overcome much grimmer situations than say a broken arm. Guardians kill themselves and have done this before. They wanted him gone and all it took was one. Prime was powerless to escape. When did Superman have a one on one fight with Prime other than when he defeated him in infinite crisis? Did Prime defeat Superman? Supes has been overpowered many times but has managed to defeat his opponent. Now i am not saying that Superman defeats prime but until Prime beats him decisively all you are doing is speculating.

Ion doesnt have any real impressive feats and he was injured as well during the fight. He also was very inexperienced with his new powers. How is beating Ion impressive at all?

Originally posted by Board Walker
saying aaaaoooowwww is a scream of infinite pain? Its more like an annoyance since their combined attacks slowed him down not int he slightest, and hes grinning in the next panel.

Yeah that was sure some pain alright, not.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Err. What makes you think they couldn't beat him? They shot him once, made him scream in pain... then that Guardian immediately decides to BFR him. And he couldn't escape his physical grip.
Yeah but, Superboy giving him trouble isn't exactly a low feat. Superman Prime with his suit outraced all of Earth's heroes when he was trying to get to Oa. He smashed through 300 mile thick wall of GL energy and the times he actually speedblitzes the Flashes are when he is in his suit. I'd venture to say that he is either as strong or stronger than when he has a suit on.
Ah, I see what you meant. But I don't think that was proof they couldn't kill him. To me, it seemed like removing him from the universe was the quickest way to get rid of Superman Prime. And since they don't have Monitor technology or access to the Speedforce, the traditional methods of hoppin around alternative universes, I don't think his sacrifice is conclusory evidence that they couldn't kill him. I mean... he couldn't even escape from their grip. Seems obvious that a Guardian has actual superior physical strength.
😂 Touche... touche.
Well, I don't think Sodam Yat has ever fully regained his Daxamite powers. The ring suspends the poisoning, but I was pretty sure it actually still has an effect on him. If it cured or reversed the damage done to his Daxamite physiology, then Superman could simply use a GL ring to cure Mon-El. Of course... he can't. Nothing has proven capable of reversing lead poisoning to a Daxamite, IIRC. You should read World War III. Black Adam does indeed overpower a similar group of heroes all at the same time. Pretty sure that Power Girl, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Alan Scott, Donna Troy, the whole JSA, Martian Manhunter...

... ah screw it. This is easier. He manhandles all these guys and he didn't have the benefit of Green and Yellow Lantern Corps members running around fighting each other and everybody else:

Anyway, like I said before, if Black Adam can do that, then an unhinged Superman could do that. And pretty much that's what Superman Prime did himself. Now... if Superman Prime were knocking Superman and Power Girl out with one-shots and stuff... then I would consider his rampages in Infinite Crisis and Sinestro Corps War to be more impressive. But just like Black Adam here, he only manages to keep fending them off and preventing them from subduing him. But we don't credit Black Adam as being more powerful than all those folks put together, right? So anyway, those are my two cents and I'm peacin out for now. Time to drink some alcohol!

2. How is Superboy giving him trouble not a low feat when SMP(at the age of 15 mind you) was toying with him and stomping him? Didn't Superboy have to be hospitalized after that fight(healed by Luthor I think)? Yet Superboy somehow was able to fight on good terms with SMP when he was suited. If that doesn't tell you sumthin, what will? He was faster than the heroes, sure, and broke through a 300 mile wall of GL construct, but that's sumthin I see FP SMP doing easily. And he blitzed the Flashes when he didn't have his suit, what are you talking about?

3. Nope. The Guardian wanted to kill him. His efforts were unable to however and only BFRed him. The Guardian never grabbed him, it is the opposite, SMP had the Guardian by the throat and was poking holes in his head with his fingers.

4. Lol. Although one plant compared to the rest of a universe ain't bad. It was still a universal blast.

5. Well after he was poisoned was when his Daxamite powers started to awaken, as shown by his heatvision. No, what I meant was that SMP literally physically knocked back all the heroes in one exertion of power. Did BA do that? And SMP has overpowered Black Adam as well, his punches did not even harm him in the least, and that was suited SMP. Which also makes Superboy fighting SMP even more bullshit since Superboy's blows had a better effect than Black Adam's...

Superman Prime has one shotted Power Girl, and easily was able to overpower and throw her into Superman in the fight in SCW.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Again Prime did nothing of the sort to defeat any Guardian. All he did was get himself bfr'd and easily at that.

2.Prove that he is greater with his suit than without it.

3.The miscalculated. Do you really think all of the Guardians when banded together could not defeat Prime other than bfring him? Really?

4.A joke. Ok. Nice dodge.

5.She hurt a Thanos who wasnt out to kill her. So it proves that when Thanos is only fooling around that she can draw blood. Thats it. Thanos has already killed her and why you keep bringing this up like its proof is beyond me.

In WW3 Black Adam was doing much better than Prime imo with regards to causing damage and kicking the shit out of them all. Prime was basically always on the run.

2. Kay, lemme look for it.

3. The Guardians that fought him couldn't, one released all his power and tried to kill him but failed.

4. Considering he made a joke in the post I made the joke about it isn't dodging, though I guess I shouldn't expect someone of your general level of intelligence to understand that.

5. So Thanos can magically lower his durability. That is bullshit and you know it. He wasn't trying to kill her, it was a sparring match, but she did draw blood, Gamora can hurt Thanos, deal with it.

Only SMP was also not even harmed by Black Adam's punches and sent him flying with one backhand, so no, BA is not at SMP's level.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He had said Guardian by the throat and was poking holes in his head. The Guardian tried to kill him and failed at it, and killed himself in doing it. So SMP, even though he had one at his mercy, can't kill a Guardian?

2. Kay, lemme look for it.

3. The Guardians that fought him couldn't, one released all his power and tried to kill him but failed.

4. Considering he made a joke in the post I made the joke about it isn't dodging, though I guess I shouldn't expect someone of your general level of intelligence to understand that.

5. So Thanos can magically lower his durability. That is bullshit and you know it. He wasn't trying to kill her, it was a sparring match, but she did draw blood, Gamora can hurt Thanos, deal with it.

Only SMP was also not even harmed by Black Adam's punches and sent him flying with one backhand, so no, BA is not at SMP's level.

3.Again if all the Guardians tried to kill Prime and focused all their energies on him which didnt happen in sc do you think Prime would win?

4.Again I saw it as a dodge.

5.She wouldnt have hit him if were serious is the point. He has survived black holes and planetary explosions. Thanos can kill Gamora when serious. You should deal with it.

Black Adam had a powerup for WW3. Nice try kiddo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Quickly. I think you admitted earlier that the Surfer is greater than Hal Jordan. Uhm Thanos dominates a top tier more powerful and with better feats imo than any top tier that Prime has beaten the shit out of. Thanos actually beat Surfer into submission.

2.Again you call it bs. But its canon and all is fair game. The good,the bad, and the ugly is all fair game as long as its canon.

3.Again Prime failed to beat one Guardian while they have been known to commit suicide before to take care of a problem. Until Prime beats one all you have is speculation and wishful thinking. You cant tell that he wasnt using any power and you cant tell he wasnt. Point is Odin is more powerful than Thor and he wouldnt fall victim to what beat power gem Thor.

4.The Monitor rebuilt his universe. He saved the sapling. He would have known if Prime survived. It makes much more sense to me that the time trapper saved him than for your theory to be true.

5.What does it have to do with his durability? If he wants her dead she wont land the hits. You do realize that say if you and I fight and I am much tougher than you that if i pull punches you can beat me up. Pulling my punches would make me much weaker. Hal had a broken arm but that doesnt mean he lost. They didnt finish the fight. Now I think Hal would have bene defeated but I have seen heroes overcome much grimmer situations than say a broken arm. Guardians kill themselves and have done this before. They wanted him gone and all it took was one. Prime was powerless to escape. When did Superman have a one on one fight with Prime other than when he defeated him in infinite crisis? Did Prime defeat Superman? Supes has been overpowered many times but has managed to defeat his opponent. Now i am not saying that Superman defeats prime but until Prime beats him decisively all you are doing is speculating.

Ion doesnt have any real impressive feats and he was injured as well during the fight. He also was very inexperienced with his new powers. How is beating Ion impressive at all?

2. Not according to the rules of KMC comic vs. actually. 🙂

3. One of them killed himself to kill SMP and SMP lived. SMP did beat a Guardian whether you want to admit it or not, there is no speculating, you just can't stand the thought of your precious Thanos losing a fight. Prove he was using any powers to break the block. 🙂 Burden of proof is on you, unless you can prove it, he broke it physically which is all that was shown. And SMP is physically much stronger than Odin. 🙂 He would easily break the Force Block.

4. Unless SMP was taken by the TT right after SMP survived. As a matter of fact, him surviving the Big Bang is probably why he wants SMP to lead the Legion into war.

5. Of course she won't, but when she does land the hits, they hurt him. This is an on-panel fact. And SMP is much stronger and faster than Thanos, he will land the hits in a brawl. Pulling your punches wouldn't make your durability all of the sudden go to shit. Hal was at his mercy like Guy was moments earlier. All it took was one of them to kill himself and fail at killing SMP, that is true. 🙂 SMP was physically dominating said Guardian before he blew himself up, don't even try to act like it was the other way around. Superman was trying to fight SMP along with Powergirl and a bunch of Guardians and couldn't. SMP jacked him in the jaw, and then later in the fight he threw Powergirl into him knocking him back. I'm not speculating anything, everything I am saying is shown on-panel. SMP is far superior to Superman.

He did better than Superman did against SMP, and Superman had help.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Until Prime does its speculation. As I said earlier one Guardian easily got rid of Prime.
2.I await your proof.

3.Again if all the Guardians tried to kill Prime and focused all their energies on him which didnt happen in sc do you think Prime would win?

4.Again I saw it as a dodge.

5.She wouldnt have hit him if were serious is the point. He has survived black holes and planetary explosions. Thanos can kill Gamora when serious. You should deal with it.

Black Adam had a powerup for WW3. Nice try kiddo.

2. I should have it by next post. The damn interview is hard to find.

3. Don't really know honestly.

4. Well it wasn't, it was a joke in response to a joke.

5. Thanos can be serious all he wants, SMP will still hit Thanos. And that wasn't your point, you keep on changing it to fit the situation. Planetary explosions? Nothing special, SMP was sent through a red sun and survived. He also survived the full power of a Guardian released on him, Guardians are stated by Hal Jordan as having the power to crack a planet in half with a thought. Gamora can make Thanos bleed and has done it.

Did he now? As I said I haven't read WW3, I'll have to. What was the powerup outta curiosity?

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He had said Guardian by the throat and was poking holes in his head. The Guardian tried to kill him and failed at it, and killed himself in doing it. So SMP, even though he had one at his mercy, can't kill a Guardian?

What could that mean? Could it mean that he was attempting to kill him? Surely. That's very arguable, I mean... on a cosmic scale, those words could very easily be cnstrued as an intent to obliterate. But could that also mean that he was simply removing him from that universe? Just as surely, since that is actually what he said and actually what happened. You know what tips the scales towards the latter idea for me though? This scan here. Where the other Guardians actually state that Superman Prime was removed atom by atom, and provided he survived that process, he was in the multiverse. If the Guardian only intended to kill him, why the hell would the other Guardians suggest that Superman Prime was warped into the multiverse? If the Guardian simply intended to kill him, how could they guess that? Fact is, they didn't need to guess, because that's what the Guardian intended to do:

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
2. Kay, lemme look for it.

3. The Guardians that fought him couldn't, one released all his power and tried to kill him but failed.

Already taken care of by the above. It makes more sense he was removing Superman Prime from that universe.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
4. Considering he made a joke in the post I made the joke about it isn't dodging, though I guess I shouldn't expect someone of your general level of intelligence to understand that.

5. So Thanos can magically lower his durability. That is bullshit and you know it. He wasn't trying to kill her, it was a sparring match, but she did draw blood, Gamora can hurt Thanos, deal with it.

Only SMP was also not even harmed by Black Adam's punches and sent him flying with one backhand, so no, BA is not at SMP's level.

Batman can draw blood from Darkseid AFTER he regains his Omega powers. Gamora is >>>>>> Batman kick. She's enhanced to an unknown degree. I'm not sure anyone has attempted to properly quantify her.

Fact is, most people use Superman Prime's rampage against Earth's heroes as proof he is far beyond them. That's a double standard. Because the same exact thing could be applied to Black Adam judging from his feats in World War III:

Am I stating that Black Adam is on the same level as Superman Prime? No. But I haven't seen anything from a base level Superman Prime to make me think that an unhinged and slightly more powerful Superman couldn't accomplish the very same feats. Is that enough to overwhelm Thanos? Could very well might be. Is it beyond Thanos' ability to fight? No. I don't think so.

That's a double standard. Because the same exact thing could be applied to Black Adam judging from his feats in World War III.

When Alan Scott tries to physically CLAW at SBP's face instead of copying Red Star (read: blasting him with red sun radiation on a scale far beyond anything Star can comprehend)...

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He is greater, but not by much. SMP had Hal and Guy at his mercy with one move for each. Superman, Powergirl, a bunch of Green Lanterns, and three Guardians attacked him, and only the blast from the Guardians actually caused some pain to SMP. But he couldn't beat them, right?

2. Not according to the rules of KMC comic vs. actually. 🙂

3. One of them killed himself to kill SMP and SMP lived. SMP did beat a Guardian whether you want to admit it or not, there is no speculating, you just can't stand the thought of your precious Thanos losing a fight. Prove he was using any powers to break the block. 🙂 Burden of proof is on you, unless you can prove it, he broke it physically which is all that was shown. And SMP is physically much stronger than Odin. 🙂 He would easily break the Force Block.

4. Unless SMP was taken by the TT right after SMP survived. As a matter of fact, him surviving the Big Bang is probably why he wants SMP to lead the Legion into war.

5. Of course she won't, but when she does land the hits, they hurt him. This is an on-panel fact. And SMP is much stronger and faster than Thanos, he will land the hits in a brawl. Pulling your punches wouldn't make your durability all of the sudden go to shit. Hal was at his mercy like Guy was moments earlier. All it took was one of them to kill himself and fail at killing SMP, that is true. 🙂 SMP was physically dominating said Guardian before he blew himself up, don't even try to act like it was the other way around. Superman was trying to fight SMP along with Powergirl and a bunch of Guardians and couldn't. SMP jacked him in the jaw, and then later in the fight he threw Powergirl into him knocking him back. I'm not speculating anything, everything I am saying is shown on-panel. SMP is far superior to Superman.

He did better than Superman did against SMP, and Superman had help.

2. Again its still canon nonetheless. I am not basing my whole argument from this but I dont ignore anything. Besides Superboy didnt beat Prime and if he did then and only then imo would that qualify as pis.

3.Yes a Guardian miscalculated and screwed up. Makes the guardian look bad but again the took Prime actually one of them did rather easily. Prime didnt take any Guardians out did he? I already have gone over this. You cant prove it either way. The burden of proof isnt on me. Again Odin is great enough to break free from this block while Thor with the power gem wasnt. So all that amping that Thor did wasnt enough to break free from this badass block. Thor with the power gem was stronger and more durable than Prime and he couldnt do it. Odin>Prime imo so I fail to see your point.

4.Speculation. Thats all you are doing.

5.How did her blows hurt him? he was faking like he was hurt. He was fine and was screwing around. She is highly skilled and even with her trying and Thanos holding back proved she couldnt even put him down or seriously injure him. Thanos can deal with speed. he beats characters with speed all the time and examples are Silver Surfer and Fallen One. Prove that a speedster can whoop on Thanos. Prime caused no significant damage to the Guardian. But when the Guardian wanted him gone Prime couldnt break free from his grip. Anyways a Guardian isnt even that impressive in my eyes yet one of them easily bfr'd Prime. Again Superman didnt get his asskicked against Prime. Prime landed in some blows on random person to random person. Thats it. He didnt defeat anyone.

Prime is superior to Superman imo but has yet to beat him in a one on one fight.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. And died while doing it, and didn't kill SMP which was his intention. It isn't speculation, logically, yes, SMP can kill a Guardian, since he pretty much HAS.

2. I should have it by next post. The damn interview is hard to find.

3. Don't really know honestly.

4. Well it wasn't, it was a joke in response to a joke.

5. Thanos can be serious all he wants, SMP will still hit Thanos. And that wasn't your point, you keep on changing it to fit the situation. Planetary explosions? Nothing special, SMP was sent through a red sun and survived. He also survived the full power of a Guardian released on him, Guardians are stated by Hal Jordan as having the power to crack a planet in half with a thought. Gamora can make Thanos bleed and has done it.

Did he now? As I said I haven't read WW3, I'll have to. What was the powerup outta curiosity?

2.Still waiting. I havent seen it yet. To be honest I dont think you will ever post it.

3.You dont really know? What has prime done exactly under his own normal power base that would lead you to believe that Prime could defeat the whole lot of them at once? I mean its pretty simple to me that he hasnt even proven he can kill one on his own let alone them all.

4.I believe he made a point and then joked whereas you only joked.

5.Prime wont be able to put him down. Nope I mean Odin didnt and Thanos has since been upgraded since then. Prime went through a red sun an dof course he survived as did the other two Supermen. It was never meant to kill him but to drain him of his powers which it did quite effectively. The guardian miscalculated and this actually powered Prime up. That had nothing to do with Prime on his own and was simply a miscalculation. When has a Guardian cracked a planet in half with a thought? You do realize Terrax can destroy a planet by himself. Does this make him impressive? I mean you are using this speculation as evidence to prove they are powerful when I can name weak characters that can destroy a planet.

Isis died and put her power into Black Adam. Like I said he did more damage to the heroes that opposed him than Prime and was actually coming right for them. Prime usually tries to run and escape from the,/

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Am I stating that Black Adam is on the same level as Superman Prime? No. But I haven't seen anything from a base level Superman Prime to make me think that an unhinged and slightly more powerful Superman couldn't accomplish the very same feats. Is that enough to overwhelm Thanos? Could very well might be. Is it beyond Thanos' ability to fight? No. I don't think so.

Also, you must consider the evidence that, Prime, even as a boy, thought Black Adam as little more than an annoying inconvienience. Black Adam was laying into him with heavily charged punches, and he said it tickled.. .

As you said, Black Adam did very well in WW3, you think Superman and a few others in this class can mimic this... well . . . these characters -- as has been written so far -- are nothing but a swarm of flies to Superboy when he's got a powersource - be it sun or suit. Even at the bottom of his power, without his armor, a small blast of his heat vision went right into Clark and out his back.

Now if we're saying Superboy without power against Thanos like he was at the end of the Superman Prime Special issue, then he might do it, however try making a thread, of

Thanos

vs.

Superman.
Supergirl.
Powergirl.
Wonder Woman.
Metamopho.
Allan Scott.
Red Tornado.
Wonder Girl.
Martian Manhunter.
Miss Martian.
Zauriel.
Hawkgirl.
Starman.
Cyborg.
Krypto.
Red Star.
Jesse Quick.
Citizen Steel.
Firestorm.
Aquaman.
etc
etc
etc
etc

And see where that gets you. I doubt he'd do better.

Granted, these people nearly had Superboy once Superman got off a good shot from behind and ruined his armor, and he was nearly powerless... However none of them could hold him, and all were bruised and beaten, and had the "Oh shiittt." look on their faces the moment sunlight touched him, because they all knew he became too powerful for their collective. That speaks volumes.

I won't count Thanos out of the fight completely, or nearly any fight for that matter, but I don't think his chances are very good at all. Once he enters melee, which he'll likely do very quickly, it's probably all over for Thanos.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Guardian never said he was attempting to kill Superman Prime. By his very own words, he was removing Superman Prime from the universe:

What could that mean? Could it mean that he was attempting to kill him? Surely. That's very arguable, I mean... on a cosmic scale, those words could very easily be cnstrued as an intent to obliterate. But could that also mean that he was simply removing him from that universe? Just as surely, since that is actually what he said and actually what happened. You know what tips the scales towards the latter idea for me though? This scan here. Where the other Guardians actually state that Superman Prime was removed atom by atom, and provided he survived that process, he was in the multiverse. If the Guardian only intended to kill him, why the hell would the other Guardians suggest that Superman Prime was warped into the multiverse? If the Guardian simply intended to kill him, how could they guess that? Fact is, they didn't need to guess, because that's what the Guardian intended to do:

This tells me, they tried to atomize him, and certainly meant to him. . . . .and surmised that IF HE SURVIVED, he was in the multiverse, because he certainly wasn't in the current one any longer.

Plus, these guys are crazy full of knowledge anyways. It's almost their entire purpose.

mean to kill him^

damn timer.

Originally posted by Juntai
However comparing Black Adam and Superboy Prime[although I recognize you said you feel he isn't quite on the same level, this is just about the repeated comparison of the two -- and just for to put into the discussion either way], you have to consider that Black Adam didn't fight Superman and Supergirl, Powergirl, Wally, Diana, Manhunter and all the others at once, in fact the whole theme of WW3[and 52 for that matter] was that if "If Clark, Diana and Bruce were here, this wouldn't be happening."

The only thing he did against the entirety of Earth's heroes, was when he broke free of their grasp when the sun came up. Black Adam was doing that all throughout World War III. Most of the heroes involved in either event were there at both times, Powergirl, Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Teen Titans, JSA, etc. And while Superman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman and Wally weren't in World War III; you had Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Donna Troy, Guy Gardner, John Stewart, Plastic Man, Steel etc. AND none of them were distracted by Hank Henshaw or hundreds of Yellow Lanterns wreaking havoc. They were all completely focused on Black Adam. For me, that balances things out well.

Originally posted by Juntai
Also, you must consider the evidence that, Prime, even as a boy, thought Black Adam as little more than an annoying inconvienience. Black Adam was laying into him with heavily charged punches, and he said it tickled.. .

As you said, Black Adam did very well in WW3, you think Superman and a few others in this class can mimic this... well . . . these characters -- as has been written so far -- are nothing but a swarm of flies to Superboy when he's got a powersource - be it sun or suit. Even at the bottom of his power, without his armor, a small blast of his heat vision went right into Clark and out his back.

The heroes were never shown to be a mere swarm of flies. Superboy was battling him bravely. Hell Krypto drew blood from him both times, both under the sun and in his powersuit. J'onn appeared to be punked him when he made his comeback in Infinite Crisis. Before Superman, Supergirl and Powergirl came in, Superman Prime had pretty much already been beaten. And Superman Prime never really managed to kill anybody with significance. He was knocking them away, but he wasn't knocking them out cold with one-shots like World War Hulk did. If they were flies, Superman and Powergirl wouldn't have been fighting from beginning to end. They were never knocked out once.

Originally posted by Juntai
Now if we're saying Superboy without power against Thanos like he was at the end of the Superman Prime Special issue, then he might do it, however try making a thread, of

Odin OR Tyrant

vs.

Superman.
Supergirl.
Powergirl.
Wonder Woman.
Metamopho.
Allan Scott.
Red Tornado.
Wonder Girl.
Martian Manhunter.
Miss Martian.
Zauriel.
Hawkgirl.
Starman.
Cyborg.
Krypto.
Red Star.
Jesse Quick.
Citizen Steel.
Firestorm.
Aquaman.
etc
etc
etc
etc

And see where that gets you. I doubt he'd do better.

Originally posted by Juntai
Granted, these people nearly had Superboy once Superman got off a good shot from behind and ruined his armor, and he was nearly powerless... However none of them could hold him, and all were bruised and beaten, and had the "Oh shiittt." look on their faces the moment sunlight touched him, because they all knew he became too powerful for their collective. That speaks volumes.

I won't count Thanos out of the fight completely, or nearly any fight for that matter, but I don't think his chances are very good at all. Once he enters melee, which he'll likely do very quickly, it's probably all over for Thanos.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Guardian never said he was attempting to kill Superman Prime. By his very own words, he was removing Superman Prime from the universe:

What could that mean? Could it mean that he was attempting to kill him? Surely. That's very arguable, I mean... on a cosmic scale, those words could very easily be cnstrued as an intent to obliterate. But could that also mean that he was simply removing him from that universe? Just as surely, since that is actually what he said and actually what happened. You know what tips the scales towards the latter idea for me though? This scan here. Where the other Guardians actually state that Superman Prime was removed atom by atom, and provided he survived that process, he was in the multiverse. If the Guardian only intended to kill him, why the hell would the other Guardians suggest that Superman Prime was warped into the multiverse? If the Guardian simply intended to kill him, how could they guess that? Fact is, they didn't need to guess, because that's what the Guardian intended to do:

You go do that. Nobody else appears to be willing to. I'd certaianly appreciate the effort.

Already taken care of by the above. It makes more sense he was removing Superman Prime from that universe.
A sapling is a sapling. And Wonderman and Vision survived the ground zero of a Kree Negabomb that decimated their galaxy spanning empire. They survived. Guess that means they can't be put down by anything less than a Negabomb? No. Not really. Until we learn the exact circumstances of Superman Prime's survival, the idea that objects can survive the epicenter of a large blast is well established even in real world science, i.e. the Hiroshima buildings closest to the atomic blast.

Batman can draw blood from Darkseid AFTER he regains his Omega powers. Gamora is >>>>>> Batman kick. She's enhanced to an unknown degree. I'm not sure anyone has attempted to properly quantify her.

Fact is, most people use Superman Prime's rampage against Earth's heroes as proof he is far beyond them. That's a double standard. Because the same exact thing could be applied to Black Adam judging from his feats in World War III:

Am I stating that Black Adam is on the same level as Superman Prime? No. But I haven't seen anything from a base level Superman Prime to make me think that an unhinged and slightly more powerful Superman couldn't accomplish the very same feats. Is that enough to overwhelm Thanos? Could very well might be. Is it beyond Thanos' ability to fight? No. I don't think so.

2. That interview is hard as fvck to find considering I don't actually know who was being interviewed...

3. SMP was in the center of the blast that went out in all directions spanning from the epicenter of the blast(Monarch and Superman Prime) to the entire universe. The blast totally annihilated the universe, there is no possible way SMP could not have been hit by the majority of the blast.

4. ...What does Darkseid have to do with this? And Gamora is weaker than Thanos, that much is accepted, and Thanos is weaker than SMP by feats, do the math.

5. None of the people BA fought were on the level of a Guardian however. And Superman alone would have a fair chance of putting down Black Adam, Superman is a nuisance to SMP.

A slightly more powerful Superman? When Superman actually was trying to put down a full powered SMP, he couldn't get a hit in, he was just knocked back easily by SMP. A slightly more powerful Superman couldn't shoot heatvision through Superman's shoulder like butter while Superman was at full power and he was severely weakened. Never said SMP was so far beyond Thanos. That's why I say he wins 6/10.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Regardless you do agree that Surfer is greater and I wont argue with you on how much greater as you already agree he is more impressive than Hal or any green lantern. No he couldnt beat them. Prime didnt defeat any of the Guardians.

2. Again its still canon nonetheless. I am not basing my whole argument from this but I dont ignore anything. Besides Superboy didnt beat Prime and if he did then and only then imo would that qualify as pis.

3.Yes a Guardian miscalculated and screwed up. Makes the guardian look bad but again the took Prime actually one of them did rather easily. Prime didnt take any Guardians out did he? I already have gone over this. You cant prove it either way. The burden of proof isnt on me. Again Odin is great enough to break free from this block while Thor with the power gem wasnt. So all that amping that Thor did wasnt enough to break free from this badass block. Thor with the power gem was stronger and more durable than Prime and he couldnt do it. Odin>Prime imo so I fail to see your point.

4.Speculation. Thats all you are doing.

5.How did her blows hurt him? he was faking like he was hurt. He was fine and was screwing around. She is highly skilled and even with her trying and Thanos holding back proved she couldnt even put him down or seriously injure him. Thanos can deal with speed. he beats characters with speed all the time and examples are Silver Surfer and Fallen One. Prove that a speedster can whoop on Thanos. Prime caused no significant damage to the Guardian. But when the Guardian wanted him gone Prime couldnt break free from his grip. Anyways a Guardian isnt even that impressive in my eyes yet one of them easily bfr'd Prime. Again Superman didnt get his asskicked against Prime. Prime landed in some blows on random person to random person. Thats it. He didnt defeat anyone.

Prime is superior to Superman imo but has yet to beat him in a one on one fight.

2. So if Spiderman were to punch Galactus and make his lip bloody and throw him into a building but they Galactus kills Spiderman it would not be PIS? It was PIS, Superman Prime was able to easily beat Hal Jordan who>>>Superboy, yet Superboy gave him trouble.

3. No, SMP grabbed the Guardian and was in the process of dismembering his face with his bare hands. Yeah, one killed himself to kill SMP and SMP was not harmed. So yeah, SMP killed a Guardian. Guess Thor with the Power Gem isn't as powerful as SMP like you like to believe then, if he isn't even as physically powerful as Odin. Odin isn't physically as strong as SMP and broke the block physically, that's the point.

4. Nope. SMP was floating in space after we saw him rip Monarch's armor, and was taken from the past by TT.

5. Oh so now Thanos has the power to shoot blood out of his mouth? She drew blood from him. Deal with it. Yeah, Gamora can't put down Thanos, but SMP>>>>>>>>Gamora so...Who cares? Silver Surfer isn't much in terms of reflex speed. Prove a speedster can whoop on Thanos? How's about the fact that he is much slower than a speedster? 😬 SMP was poking holes in the Guardian's head, but that isn't hurting the Guardian? He had the Guardian by the throat while doing it. The friggin Guardian didn't grab SMP. It is the opposite. One BFRed SMP when he was trying to kill him and gave up his own life in doing so. And SMP could have easily returned, even before the amp he showed the power to traverse through dimensions and even time. So your point holds no water. He defeated a Guardian.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Prime hasnt killed a guardian. Nope a guardian took his own life to take care of Prime. It backfired but did in fact get rid of Prime. So again unless the kill themselves to bfr him he hasnt proven he can kill one under his own power.

2.Still waiting. I havent seen it yet. To be honest I dont think you will ever post it.

3.You dont really know? What has prime done exactly under his own normal power base that would lead you to believe that Prime could defeat the whole lot of them at once? I mean its pretty simple to me that he hasnt even proven he can kill one on his own let alone them all.

4.I believe he made a point and then joked whereas you only joked.

5.Prime wont be able to put him down. Nope I mean Odin didnt and Thanos has since been upgraded since then. Prime went through a red sun an dof course he survived as did the other two Supermen. It was never meant to kill him but to drain him of his powers which it did quite effectively. The guardian miscalculated and this actually powered Prime up. That had nothing to do with Prime on his own and was simply a miscalculation. When has a Guardian cracked a planet in half with a thought? You do realize Terrax can destroy a planet by himself. Does this make him impressive? I mean you are using this speculation as evidence to prove they are powerful when I can name weak characters that can destroy a planet.

Isis died and put her power into Black Adam. Like I said he did more damage to the heroes that opposed him than Prime and was actually coming right for them. Prime usually tries to run and escape from the,/

2. Can't find it honestly. Shit like that should be posted in Respect threads.

3. Considering one's full power could not kill him yeah he has. SMP had a Guardian by the throat with his fingers in his head, but he can't kill one? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to, I already know what your asnwer is gonna be. Fact is the Guardian could not harm SMP in any way with his full power.

4. No, it was a joke. We already know Monitor saved the sapling.

5. Sure he won't Quanchi. Thanos after his little uprade has like...What feats? And Odin barely exerted himself in his fight with Thanos, so bring it up all you want, it doesn't matter. Going through a Red Sun for a Kryptonian>>>A planet destroying blast as it would of course damage them and take away their powers at the same time. The Guardian's full power couldn't hurt SMP, it only helped him. Nothing to do with SMP? Or maybe SMP just has great energy absorption abilities? It was a statement by Hal Jordan, but one Guardian can also empower 100 GLs, so 100 GLs worth of power can't kill SMP.

That's a crock of shit. SMP wasn't running from fvcking anyone in Sinestro Corps. War when he was at his full power, He wasn't running from any GLs when he slaughtered them in Infinite Crisis. He didn't run from any Guardians either.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. After the battle, the living Guardians clearly said "If he survived..." I think it is pretty clear the Guardian wanted to kill him. They only suggested that if he survived he would be warped into the Multiverse.

2. That interview is hard as fvck to find considering I don't actually know who was being interviewed...

3. SMP was in the center of the blast that went out in all directions spanning from the epicenter of the blast(Monarch and Superman Prime) to the entire universe. The blast totally annihilated the universe, there is no possible way SMP could not have been hit by the majority of the blast.

4. ...What does Darkseid have to do with this? And Gamora is weaker than Thanos, that much is accepted, and Thanos is weaker than SMP by feats, do the math.

5. None of the people BA fought were on the level of a Guardian however. And Superman alone would have a fair chance of putting down Black Adam, Superman is a nuisance to SMP.

A slightly more powerful Superman? When Superman actually was trying to put down a full powered SMP, he couldn't get a hit in, he was just knocked back easily by SMP. A slightly more powerful Superman couldn't shoot heatvision through Superman's shoulder like butter while Superman was at full power and he was severely weakened. Never said SMP was so far beyond Thanos. That's why I say he wins 6/10.