ufc/pride

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Called it, Silva ****ing wrecked Sonnen's pansy ass. Haters just can't accept this and are crying now. Have a little dignity and accept that Silva is an all-around superb fighter, despite pushing 40.

Originally posted by batdude123
It blows my mind how Silva fans can watch that fight and still have the balls to say shit like "he'd beat the shit out of Sonnen in a rematch." Huh? So those take downs he was landing damn-near at will in all 5 of the rounds was just a fluke?

Seems so.

You should acknowledge though that Chael is purely a one-dimensional wrestler, and one without good GnP, and he dominated the first round and would have remained a threat throughout the fight. How can you honestly say that Anderson Silva would win against someone who's just as good a wrestler but also extremely well rounded (such as GSP)? GSP would easily be able to survive long enough to get the takedown and lay on top of him for each round. GSP imo outwrestles people who are even better wrestlers than Chael like Josh Koscheck, and has among the best standup in the division. There is no doubt in my mind that GSP is P4P better fighter than Anderson Silva.

You should admit that Anakin's less than stellar wrestling defence (and I;m not just talking about TK defence but also getting back to the feet or keeping in his guard) is a major mark against his #1 P4P status. GSP doesn't finish people but he dominates them just as badly and doesn't have any wholes in his game, and most people agree he has faced better competition. Jones is the same, with the addition of finishing people. Jose Aldo and Junior Dos Santos look near impossible to take down and are really just as dominant in the stand up. Dominick Cruz outwrestles the best wrestlers and outstrikes the best stirkers in his division and he doesn't have any holes in his game.

Only champion I can really say Anderson is better than P4P would be Ben Henderson. And I'm sure a lot of people would agree.

1. GSP.
2. Jones.
3. Dominick Cruz.
4. Jose Aldo.
5. Junior Dos Santos.
6. Anderson.
7. Bendo.

My opinion (8-10 would be Overeem, Machida and Frankie Edgar).

I think Chael was sort of playing the "good loser" character after the fight which was why he made the funny comment about how it all evens out and he'll probably pull the shorts of the next guy he fights. It is technically cheating and would have made it harder to land the TD.

It was like against Bisping after the fight he was playing a sort of "Bisping gave me a really good fight" character and pretending that he got rocked really badly and that it was close and being overly respectful to Bisping etc. Chael is almost always in character and always looking to make humourous comments, and that's the sort of character he wanted to go with after the fight.

I think it's you who should just admit that Anderson proved 'you' and all the other critics wrong on the 7th, he's top-notch and has earned his place at the top.

Or you can continue making silly claims and hope you don't get embarrassed again.

Anderson proved that while greased up, he still gets taken down with ease and kept on his back in a 10-8 round in the first, and dfend the TD quite well in the second while holding onto Chael's shorts and attacking him illegally, and that Chael gets finished really easily when he fights int he standup like an idiot.

Remember, Chael isn't even an elite, well rounded fighter. He is not a finisher either. His only hope was to "survive" all 5 rounds, by doing the same thing over and over again. The fact that there are fighters that are as good as Chael at wrestling, but also with great GnP, or great well wounders as well, and Anderosn winning still doesn;t pvoe much as far as he stack against GSP for example.

Question for Robtard: what order would you place the following three, P4P: GSP, Anderson, Jones?

Originally posted by Mangafan
You should acknowledge though that Chael is purely a one-dimensional wrestler, and one without good GnP, and he dominated the first round and would have remained a threat throughout the fight. How can you honestly say that Anderson Silva would win against someone who's just as good a wrestler but also extremely well rounded (such as GSP)? GSP would easily be able to survive long enough to get the takedown and lay on top of him for each round. GSP imo outwrestles people who are even better wrestlers than Chael like Josh Koscheck, and has among the best standup in the division. There is no doubt in my mind that GSP is P4P better fighter than Anderson Silva.

You should admit that Anakin's less than stellar wrestling defence (and I;m not just talking about TK defence but also getting back to the feet or keeping in his guard) is a major mark against his #1 P4P status. GSP doesn't finish people but he dominates them just as badly and doesn't have any wholes in his game, and most people agree he has faced better competition. Jones is the same, with the addition of finishing people. Jose Aldo and Junior Dos Santos look near impossible to take down and are really just as dominant in the stand up. Dominick Cruz outwrestles the best wrestlers and outstrikes the best stirkers in his division and he doesn't have any holes in his game.

Only champion I can really say Anderson is better than P4P would be Ben Henderson. And I'm sure a lot of people would agree.

1. GSP.
2. Jones.
3. Dominick Cruz.
4. Jose Aldo.
5. Junior Dos Santos.
6. Anderson.
7. Bendo.

My opinion (8-10 would be Overeem, Machida and Frankie Edgar).

We can argue the placement of those guys based on a skill factor, but we shouldn't ignore that Anderson has successfully defended his title a record 10 times. He's been such a dominant champion it's hard to deny him the first place spot. The closest to that is GSP, which causes all the debate around them.

I know you hate that his wrestling isn't that great, but it's like I said before. If he's winning, it doesn't really matter much.

Originally posted by Mangafan
Anderson proved that while greased up, he still gets taken down with ease and kept on his back in a 10-8 round in the first, and dfend the TD quite well in the second while holding onto Chael's shorts and attacking him illegally, and that Chael gets finished really easily when he fights int he standup like an idiot.

Originally posted by Mangafan
Anderson proved that while greased up, he still gets taken down with ease and kept on his back in a 10-8 round in the first, and dfend the TD quite well in the second while holding onto Chael's shorts and attacking him illegally, and that Chael gets finished really easily when he fights int he standup like an idiot.

Remember, Chael isn't even an elite, well rounded fighter. He is not a finisher either. His only hope was to "survive" all 5 rounds, by doing the same thing over and over again. The fact that there are fighters that are as good as Chael at wrestling, but also with great GnP, or great well wounders as well, and Anderosn winning still doesn;t pvoe much as far as he stack against GSP for example.

Question for Robtard: what order would you place the following three, P4P: GSP, Anderson, Jones?

More whining and making excuses cos the guy you wanted to see lose won. Just deal with it, you were wrong.

Anderson
St-Pierre (he lost to Serra, inexcusable, so he should be 3rd, but he's so likeable)
Jones

I don't think it should just be based on dominance though. Obviously, recent performance should be big factor, and none of the other 5 guys I listed higher have looked quite as badly in any of their recent fights as Anderson did in his first fight with Chael, or even the first round in the second. The other guys don;t lose 10-8 rounds... ever.

Also, you have to admit that most people would say that the competition that, at least Jones and GSP have been facing, would kill that of Anderson. And Jones has been doing it in quick succession.

But anyways, quetsion for Style this time:

Do you think that if Chael Sonnen actually had good GnP like people like Jones or Cain Velasquez, that he might have been able to finish the fight in the first?

Do you think that if Chael Sonnen didn;t have such bad recurring submission dfence, he would have ended up winning the first fight with at least a 6 point differential in probably the most one sided championship fight ever?

Ignore all the stuff about Anderson potentially cheating abd the stupid elbow or whatnot, do you think that if Chael actually had good standup, he would have been able to survive longer, and long enough to eventually land a TD in the second, and the other rounds as well?

How do you thnk Chael stacks up against GSP and Jones? Or even someone like Rashad?

If you answer these honestly, I;m sure you would have to admit that you can;t really consider Anderson Silva better than GSP or Jones, or even Dominick Cruz, P4P wise.

Wow.

So. Much. Denial.....

It's painful to watch.

Weidman is deadly. Give that man a title shot.

Crap I completely forgot that fight was yesterday... damn so obviously Weidman one. Surprised I thought Munoz would take it.

Ok just watched it... wow Weidman completely destroyed him. Looked sick in that fight. I know this will look like I am just hayting on Anderson again... but THIS is man to defeat the spider.

I make a preiciton: Weidman is going to be one of those guys, and one of those champions, that will gp on massive undefeated streak ala anderson and Gsp.

Edit - real classy interview afterwards as well. I think I just became a fan...

Originally posted by Mangafan
I don't think it should just be based on dominance though. Obviously, recent performance should be big factor, and none of the other 5 guys I listed higher have looked quite as badly in any of their recent fights as Anderson did in his first fight with Chael, or even the first round in the second. The other guys don;t lose 10-8 rounds... ever.

But anyways, quetsion for Style this time:

Do you think that if Chael Sonnen actually had good GnP like people like Jones or Cain Velasquez, that he might have been able to finish the fight in the first?

Do you think that if Chael Sonnen didn;t have such bad recurring submission dfence, he would have ended up winning the first fight with at least a 6 point differential in probably the most one sided championship fight ever?

Ignore all the stuff about Anderson potentially cheating abd the stupid elbow or whatnot, do you think that if Chael actually had good standup, he would have been able to survive longer, and long enough to eventually land a TD in the second, and the other rounds as well?

How do you thnk Chael stacks up against GSP and Jones? Or even someone like Rashad?

If you answer these honestly, I;m sure you would have to admit that you can;t really consider Anderson Silva better than GSP or Jones, or even Dominick Cruz, P4P wise.

No.

Not necessarily.

No.

They are more well-rounded than Chael.

I answered honestly, and I still think ranking him 1st is reasonable. You have no faith in Silva's bottom game.

As for Weidman, he looked great. That elbow was a magnificent move, and some day he may hold the belt. I'm not sure if he can take Anderson yet, but his shot is coming. It'll be interesting when it happens.

The Njokuani/Anjos fight was pretty cool as well. Anjos's wrestling look pretty strong considering Njokuani's defense. He also capitalized well on Njokuani dropping his hand during some punches.

"How do you thnk Chael stacks up against GSP and Jones? Or even someone like Rashad?"

Sorry that was supposed to be Anderson not Chael.

Who do you think deserves next shot at Anderson? I'm thinking Weidman after that performance (he just dominated and finished the person who had been ranked #3 in the division), though Belfort would probably be next best best considering he has established himself to eb a great fighetr and is on 2 fight winning streak against top competition, both 1st round finishes.

I think Silva matches up well with GSP, although GSP also brings advantages of his own. With Jones and Rashad, size might be a factor.

Well, Belfort said Dana planned to give him a title shot had he beaten Wanderlei. He had to pull out obviously, but now he's mentioned he may not stay at Middleweight. Said the weight cut is getting difficult at his age.

Apart from them, I don't know. Maybe if Bisping gets another win or two. Belfort did talk about fighting him, so maybe they'll have a title eliminator.

Bisping does not deserve shot any time soon imo. He hasn't really had any real great wins, his skill level is not all too good and he's coming off of a loss. I say give it to Weidman, he's earned it.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I think Silva matches up well with GSP, although GSP also brings advantages of his own. With Jones and Rashad, size might be a factor.

Rashad is if anything maybe even a little smaller than Anderson. And you really think Anderson will be able to prevent GSP taking him down at will and keeping him down there? Unlike Chael he the gap in the standup is a lot closer and GSP will have all the time in the world to set up at TD.

Hmm Chael recently stated that he thinks Weidman is the best MW currently in the UFC, himself and Anderson included.

He also said that he won the first fight and that he'd wreck Silva on their second fight.

Yeeep. I wouldn't put much value on what Sonnen has got to say these days. Lol.