ufc/pride

Originally posted by Healing Artisan
oh yea, i was there that night. bullshit fight.

Arlovski had Tim. Arlovski just rushed in for the kill and got caught. The punch Tim threw landed right under AA's jaw/throat area. After the fight AA was just there smilling. i never understood why.

WEC(VS) & UFC unleashed(Spike) reruns on right now

Originally posted by Healing Artisan
Arlovski needs to live up to his nickname. He's not the same pitbull as he was before.

Arlovski needs to explode in the next fight... like when he fought when he was the champ.

How messed up is this...Bresnar was paid 250k for figthing Mir, and Mir was paid 80k, that means even with Mir winning and getting a bonus(which is usually double) Lesnar still made more than him.

Originally posted by wuTa
How messed up is this...Bresnar was paid 250k for figthing Mir, and Mir was paid 80k, that means even with Mir winning and getting a bonus(which is usually double) Lesnar still made more than him.

The bonus was $60k which is still 100k less than Brock. Brock Lesnar is recognized all over. Frank Mir while good, havent been the same since his accident.

Yea, thats my point. Lesnar has done nothing in MMA to get paid double more than Mir who is a former champ. I get that names draws numbers, and I expeted Lesnar to get paid alot but getting paid more than Mir(and alot more at that) without even winning is a slap in the face to alot of fighters, and its bad for the sport. If Lesnar had accomplished something and was a former champ that would be one thing, but thats not the case.

Brock's a big name & that's why he got paid more. I think anything that makes more people watch is good for the sport. Look @it like this. @the end of the day, Brock got 250k & damn near got his knee bent backward & Frank got 140k to nearly break Brock's leg & subsequently reestablish himself as a dominant heavyweight worthy of a title shot.

Seen what Tim said about Fedor. I wouldn't call Fedor a pvssy, but it has been a good bit since he's fought somebody I considered amongst the best. I've heard Fedor didn't sign w/UFC 'cuz Dana didn't wanna promote Sambo. Fvck that! Come to the UFC, kick @$$ like you always do & promote Sambo yourself by whoopin' @ss w/it. Haven't seen anything about Tim avoiding him yet. Really would like for Fedor & Randy to be in UFC. I've never liked seeing the heavyweights fight much since it didn't seem to be as much about skill as when the smaller guys fight. Seeing Nog & Mir overcome gigantic opponents w/pure skill has changed my opinion on heavyweights. Imagine a Hvy division w/Mir/Nog/Randy AND Fedor. That'd be awesome. I really wanna know what Dana did to piss Randy off.

I'm not really UFC savvy, but wouldn't it kill the fighting spirit a bit if all fighters knew they had to do was show up?

I mean, what's going to hype fights more? Getting paid a lot to fight and WIN, or just fight?

Isn't UFC a very pride based sport? Surely they'd wanna keep the overall WIN as the main prize a fighter could hope for. Walking out of the Octagon a winner, as opposed to a rich loser.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not really UFC savvy, but wouldn't it kill the fighting spirit a bit if all fighters knew they had to do was show up?

I mean, what's going to hype fights more? Getting paid a lot to fight and WIN, or just fight?

Isn't UFC a very pride based sport? Surely they'd wanna keep the overall WIN as the main prize a fighter could hope for. Walking out of the Octagon a winner, as opposed to a rich loser.

-AC

PrideFC was real mixed martial arts. the day it got sold, i lost all hope.

Dana White, president of UFC, is a total *******. He does all this for the money and doesn't care what direction the sport is going in, as long as their is a large check involved with it.

The production team and the great minds behind the late PrideFC, are trying to make a comeback with the new MMA organization known as M1.

M1 currently as a couple of big names, but is very far from what the UFC is doing.

PrideFC events in Japan were spectacular. you didn't just watch fights, you watched a show. it was VERY entertaining. The Japanese audience showed RESPECT to the fighters regardless of a win or loss. The American crowd just wants to see blood and huge slams. If the fights are in a slow pace, they will continaully boo the fighters.

i dont know what else to say. I'm hoping M1 is the ressurection of PrideFC.

i only had 1 issue with Pride, and that was steroid testing. they didn't test for any sort of anabolic steroids or drugs. other than that, the organization was legendary.

for those that haven't seen PrideFC fights.

here's a great highlight video.

Furious Angels
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nK4Tf6iKbLg

I know Bill Goldberg was going to try his hand at Pride, but I think he'd have got whoop-stroyed.

-AC

Ditto. He used to try to pretend his pro wrestling matches were real. Never liked him much. He's an announcer on EliteXC sometimes & I heard he really does know Sambo. Seems like he's scared to take a real beating

Sort of like Kurt Angle who Ken Shamrock said he(kurt) got cold feet and who Lesnar said was all talk.

Kurt Angle also said he wanted to try MMA, and than Frank Shamrock said he would fight him, Kurt Angle has talked much about MMA since.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Brock's a big name & that's why he got paid more. I think anything that makes more people watch is good for the sport. Look @it like this. @the end of the day, Brock got 250k & damn near got his knee bent backward & Frank got 140k to nearly break Brock's leg & subsequently reestablish himself as a dominant heavyweight worthy of a title shot.

Brock is a big name in wrestling, not MMA, just because he was a popular wrestler does not give him any MMA credentials at all. We all know why Brock got paid alot , thats been established, but to get paid more for losing while accomplishing nothing in MMA is ridiculous. Brock got 250k for losing while Mir got paid 140k for winning, that is how I'm looking at it, and its still ****ed up. If you throw someone like Kurt Angle against BJ Penn, would you expect Kurt Angle did get paid more if he loss?

Originally posted by wuTa
If you throw someone like Kurt Angle against BJ Penn, would you expect Kurt Angle did get paid more if he loss?

I see what ur saying but the thing is, UFC/MMA is breaking into mainstream media now. While we MMA fans know BJ Penn(he'll probably sweep the floor with Angle too), a whole lot of people dont. Kurt Angle is well known which turns to profit because he'll bring a huge fan base to attend/order a PPV. Is it fair to the more talented MMA fighters? No but at the end of the day is all about the money.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not really UFC savvy, but wouldn't it kill the fighting spirit a bit if all fighters knew they had to do was show up?

I mean, what's going to hype fights more? Getting paid a lot to fight and WIN, or just fight?

Isn't UFC a very pride based sport? Surely they'd wanna keep the overall WIN as the main prize a fighter could hope for. Walking out of the Octagon a winner, as opposed to a rich loser.

-AC

That's how it started out... I remember UFC 1 when the announcer told Ken Shamrock after his loss, that a movie producer thought he had a lot of potential, and Shamrock said "Nah, i like to fight." That's the old school fight mentality.
I never really liked the prospect of the sport going mainstream because the more money involved, the more tainted the product would become, much like pro-boxing.
There are still many game fighters out there, that win or lose fight their hearts out... They're the fighters i'll pay to see.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Ditto. He used to try to pretend his pro wrestling matches were real. Never liked him much. He's an announcer on EliteXC sometimes & I heard he really does know Sambo. Seems like he's scared to take a real beating

Oh. Heard that on WCW anyways. Shoulda known they were fibbin' 😄 I don't like him much as an announcer either

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I see what ur saying but the thing is, UFC/MMA is breaking into mainstream media now. While we MMA fans know BJ Penn(he'll probably sweep the floor with Angle too), a whole lot of people dont. Kurt Angle is well known which turns to profit because he'll bring a huge fan base to attend/order a PPV. Is it fair to the more talented MMA fighters? No but at the end of the day is all about the money.

Just saw the Brock Lesnar/Mir fight. Its what I expected. You's have to be a moron to think Brock would win that fight. His skills were lacking, I saw Mir scheming on a submission for a while and brock wasn't even paying attention. He wanted Brocks arm for the arm bar first but when he couldn't get it he went for the leg. He also tapped prematurely. As soon as his ankle was barely locked in he tapped. I guess thats part of the old "wrestler ankle weakness"

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Ever since Tim cheaped out that victory...

Arlovski needs to explode in the next fight... like when he fought when he was the champ.