Originally posted by King_Mungi
Except he has never done that, and majority of Alpha Flight members don't have mutants powers they are technological based or magical. How can he steal their powers as he never has even really even been shown to do that? One look into the void and his mind is gone. He loses.
But Vulcan still has energy manipulating powers. And If I Remember Correctly, Everything Uses Energy Whether It's Magic, Technology, OR Mutant Powers.
so basiclly he's invincible and unstoppable. I'm sorry but thats stupid people are always getting on superman's case cause he can do anything well this guy is even worse. (not saying superman is bad but you get the idea). I think its kind of a stupid idea for a character if you let him stop others powers, control time and other things like that its not really fair and just makes fans not want to read it because he would never lose.
of course I doubt he's that powerful marvel isn't that stupid and Alpha Flight rocks. Not saying either would stomp the other one but Alpha Flight would win. The only thing that can defeat them is marvel cancelling there series...
which happens alot 🙁
Originally posted by Dr.Fate
so basiclly he's invincible and unstoppable. I'm sorry but thats stupid people are always getting on superman's case cause he can do anything well this guy is even worse. (not saying superman is bad but you get the idea). I think its kind of a stupid idea for a character if you let him stop others powers, control time and other things like that its not really fair and just makes fans not want to read it because he would never lose.of course I doubt he's that powerful marvel isn't that stupid and Alpha Flight rocks. Not saying either would stomp the other one but Alpha Flight would win. The only thing that can defeat them is marvel cancelling there series...
which happens alot 🙁
Agreed, the worst part is he's classed as an Omega PLUS mutant, which makes no sense since Omega is suppose to mean the"Last". However I think Vulcan will lose a lot of his power in the near future, as cool as he may be there's no way you can keep a comic interesting with such a powerful bad guy without making his demise look ridiculous. Unless they planned this so they can bring The Phoenix back.
Originally posted by Lucid Lui
And alot of the ways people saying he can win, people on Alpha Flight (who have alot more experience) can do the exact same things. And more.
Exactally
Originally posted by theobvious
But Vulcan still has energy manipulating powers. And If I Remember Correctly, Everything Uses Energy Whether It's Magic, Technology, OR Mutant Powers.
No magical powers are different, even a human with super powers from getting a bite from a radioactive spider is different from a mutant. Alpha FLight has a member that can control and overide the entire EM-spectrum. Guy even took down Galactus on his own. It's very unlikely he could manipulate magical powers.
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Science and magic are two seperate entities, Guardian can manipulate the entire E-M field, as well as light, sonics, but he can't manipulate magic. It's a compeltly different science.
lol you said magic is science🙂 Apparently Thanos and Odin disagree with your description of powers🙂
Originally posted by Soleran
lol you said magic is science🙂 Apparently Thanos and Odin disagree with your description of powers🙂
Yes magic is a science not as technology or our modern day science, but it's a field of knowledge one who has no experience what's so ever with it would not be able to manipulate it.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Science and magic are two seperate entities, Guardian can manipulate the entire E-M field, as well as light, sonics, but he can't manipulate magic. It's a compeltly different science.
Vulcan is not confined to the E-M Spectrum, he manipulates ALL energy.(Mystical Energy. Biological and most probably Cosmic Energy). Magic is Energy.
Professor Xavier describes Vulcans powers as an Energy Manipulator(Notice he didn't link Vulcan to a specific energy) with great potential. The Nature of his powers would allow him do this. So far he's been able to manipulate Radio Waves(Mental Energy) and Electromagnetic Energy(Optic Energy), he's tampered with Biological Energy(Chemical I think) too by shutting down Rachels and Scotts powers. It's the nature of his powers that allows him to manipulate ALL energy.
http://img272.imageshack.us/img272/2960/vulcan1az.jpg
Here's the part of the comic where they label Vulcan as an Omega PLUS mutant.
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Originally posted by King_Mungi
I have the entire series (or what is released so far), prove to me he can manipualte magical fields.Also for all we know he manipulated Marvel Girl and Cyclops as they are next of kin to him. As Havok can't hurt Cyclops and vice versa.
Prove he can't, Xavier calls him an Energy manipulator with great potential, he doesn't specify what energies he is limited to, because there is no limit.(Hence the Omega Mutant Label after he absorbs the powers of Sway, Petra and Darwin who are also probable Omegas he becomes an Omega PLUS) Vulcan has manipulated energies from the E-M spectrum but has also managed to manipulate Biological Energy by shutting down Marvel Girls and Scotts powers.
How is Alex not being able to hurt Scott and vice-versa relevant? If you're theory is true then it should work both ways. Vulcan can hurt Scott with his powers Scott apparently can't hurt Gabriel. Vulcan controls all energy that is how he is able to shut down and duplicate powers. He also somehow absorbed Petras, Darwins and Sways powers permanently.
Magic and earth fields are two completly different things, as stated countless times. Magneto can manipulate not just the E-M spectrum but basically everything and he can't manipulate magic. Once again his feats don't prove he can, and all his feats he has shown thus far are things Alpha Flight has done but on a higher degree. Vulcan never hurt Cyclops he stopped his optic blasts, the same optic blasts that if hit on Havok wouldn't do anything.
None of that was explained, for all we know it was an accident that fused them together. Vulcan is overhyped, and has no feats to back up his claims
Magneto can manipulate Energies outside the E-M spectrum? Gravatational you mean? Magneto manipulates one/two of the fundamental forces that's it. Mags can't completely manipulate Telepathic waves even though he should be able to, if he could he wouldn't be so vunerable without his helmet. He's not as versatile as Vulcan. Magic is Energy. Wanda manipulates mystical and chaos energy. Vulcan controlling all types of energy should be able to do the same.
Also you're right he doesn't hit Cyclops with his beam, so we can never know for sure but he does hit Marvel Girl. And if you're theory is true then she shouldn't be affected either.
