vulcan vs alpha flight

No he can do more now, as he has even created blackholes in Excalibur as Professor X said the exact same thing about Vulcan. He isn't just E-M bound, and he does have a low level telepathy and can project his astral from. Wanda manipulates reality, and is on a far higher level than Vulcan. You can't even compare them.

No he shouldn't, he has no feats to even indicate he could rather than a basic general speech that says he has potential. So what? Alpha Flight has saved all the realities, defeated Galactus and frequently battles against sky father beings. Unlike Vulcan they have the feats to back up their claims.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Also you're right he doesn't hit Cyclops with his beam, so we can never know for sure but he does hit Marvel Girl. And if you're theory is true then she shouldn't be affected either.

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No it still is intact, as Cable can still hurt Cyclops and etc. The Summers siblings seem to have an immunity towards their powers. Knowing Marvel Girl's genetics would make her far more easy to manipulate. Get it?

Wasn't the blackhole thing Wanda's doing? Wanda manipulates reality by manipulating Chaos Energy and Mystical Energy. And aren't blackholes partly gravatational energy?
You can't expect a character who has just been introduced to have any feats. As I said before it's the nature of his powers that allow him to manipulate all energy.

No it still is intact, as Cable can still hurt Cyclops and etc. The Summers siblings seem to have an immunity towards their powers. Knowing Marvel Girl's genetics would make her far more easy to manipulate. Get it?

Not really, because Cyclops can hurt Cable. And that would still mean he manipulates Biological Energy because he still needs to do that to shut down their powers. And why would manipulating Biological Energy be confined to Genetics. It's energy it's all the same.

of course vulcan doesn't have any feats. he's brand new. but since the thread starter used vulcan, we have to do this wild and crazy thing called "conjecture". and i think it's safe to assume that vulcan is more powerful than alpha flight. what with all the omega plus and instant evolution business, no reason alpha flight should take him out in a comic.

Originally posted by Soleran
Just because something goes beyond Omega doesn't mean bad writing............................there wasn't a reason in marvel to measure beyond that, now there is apparently.

Originally posted by Validus
What reason is that? Omega level was people all the way up to Franklin Richards and Jean Grey. I highly doubt this kid is beyond that level just because he owned Cyclops and Rachel. Considering what the term Omega means, yeah, I call that fanwankery.

There you go I also posted it on the previous page:

Here's the part of the comic where they clearly label Vulcan as an Omega PLUS mutant.

Sorry about that I didn't realize the links didn't work.
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/107/omegaplus7mp.jpg
http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/2444/omegaplus24nt.jpg

I could have sworn I saw a third example where Emma confirms this? I just can't find it.

I agree with you it makes no sense, Omega is suppose to mean the end. Just imagine the amount of jobbing this character is going to receive.

Originally posted by Validus
What reason is that? Omega level was people all the way up to Franklin Richards and Jean Grey. I highly doubt this kid is beyond that level just because he owned Cyclops and Rachel. Considering what the term Omega means, yeah, I call that fanwankery.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
lol so then you know better than the comic writers don't you? 😆 😆

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I agree with you it makes no sense, Omega is suppose to mean the end. Just imagine the amount of jobbing this character is going to receive.

Originally posted by Validus
Exactly what I'm saying. Omega represents ultimate potential. You can't be Ultimate + because that would mean ultimate isn't really ultimate if that makes any sense.

It makes perfect sense. I totally agree, though it'd be quite hilarious to see the reactions of hardcore Jean Grey fans. But I'm 99.99% sure Brubaker is going to water his powers down in the near future. I mean how else are the X-Men going to survive?

Still haven't seen proof that he can manipulate magical energies...

Just because he has been described as "energy manipulator", doesn't mean that he can manipulate ALL energy, especailly magic, which can't really be counted as energy. Human Torch has been described as energy manipulator too...so are about 30% of comic book characters...

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
he is master of all his power that's why he is above omega level

It's stated in the comic that Vulcan is not a master of all his powers.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wasn't the blackhole thing Wanda's doing? Wanda manipulates reality by manipulating Chaos Energy and Mystical Energy. And aren't blackholes partly gravatational energy?
You can't expect a character who has just been introduced to have any feats. As I said before it's the nature of his powers that allow him to manipulate all energy.

Not really, because Cyclops can hurt Cable. And that would still mean he manipulates Biological Energy because he still needs to do that to shut down their powers. And why would manipulating Biological Energy be confined to Genetics. It's energy it's all the same.

No it was his. They stated there is no such thing as chaos magic, it was her "excuse" to do the things she does. Their more than that.

Yet, he hasn't shown that skill as stated he doesn't have full control of his powers. We barely saw Earthmover, but he is stated to be an omega level mystic I could make the claim he could rewrite history, is that justified? no. This board goes by feats, and Alpha Flight has them in stride far more than Vulcan.

Ummmm....didn't I say that? the siblings have an immunity to each other, but knowing a persons abilities and genetics make it easier to shunt them the same way Guardian blocked Headlok's powers.

Originally posted by manorastroman
of course vulcan doesn't have any feats. he's brand new. but since the thread starter used vulcan, we have to do this wild and crazy thing called "conjecture". and i think it's safe to assume that vulcan is more powerful than alpha flight. what with all the omega plus and instant evolution business, no reason alpha flight should take him out in a comic.

Have you read the things Alpha Flight has done? Talisman teleporting an entire city with hundred of thouands of people into a dimension, beating Galactus, battling the Great Beasts, beating the Fantastic Four, Shaman absorbing a nuclear explosion, Guardian and Vindicator III placing a E-M barrier blocking a nuclear explosion, etc. Elixir is omega level, but he isn't that strong. While Alpha Flight also has a demi-god, and a skyfather god on their team. What is he going to do?

i am well-read in regards to tha alpha flight respect threat, mungi, but i believe that if alpha flight was to fight vulcan in a comic he would win.

potentially, of course, alpha flight would raze the bastard, but realistically written i think that vulcan would take the majority.

Originally posted by manorastroman
i am well-read in regards to tha alpha flight respect threat, mungi, but i believe that if alpha flight was to fight vulcan in a comic he would win.

potentially, of course, alpha flight would raze the bastard, but realistically written i think that vulcan would take the majority.

I don't think so as Alpha FLight's largest feats are portrayed in their own series, and job in other apperances. As the rules state these battles are the characters written to their full potential. Meaning Tanraq is released, Snowbird can transform into Wendigo or Tanaraq, Guardian is in his Galactus-buster mode, Talisman is at full power who is stated to be Dr.Strange's equal and the potential to be stronger, Earthmover an omega level mystic, Shaman who has shown he can easily manipulate time as well do all the things Vulcan as thus far shown, Witchfire who was shown to manipulate reality and is Belasco's daughter, Persuasion who is Purple Man's daughter, Marrina who took on all the Avengers including Thor, Namor, Black Knight, She Hulk, Dr.Druid, Atlantis, US Navy and Captain Marvel. Then you have Windshear who is like Invisible Woman just with more versilitiy, Pathway can open a portel banishing him. Hell there are over 15 members in Alpha Flight that can banish Vulcan into a empty dimension alone.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Stolden non-mutants? no. People with technological powers? no. People with magical based powers? no.

Who did he use psy powers on?

Unless I missed something how this happened was never fully explained yet.

and Alpha FLight has multiple omega level mutants, plus Dr.Strange level magic users. Multiple people who can speed blitz him even before he thinks. Vulcan doesn't stand a chance.

Pfft...no he wouldn't.

Alpha Flight has members that can block psychic attacks and members who can do all the things with time same as Vulcan. He has no advantage there at all. Magic trumps anything Vulcan could ever hope to dish out.

No he wouldn't, it's magical in nature he can't adapt to magical aspects. Even just taking a glimpse he would instantly lose his mind. Can't adapt when your mind is already gone

I never said he could steal Stolden non-mutants, people with technological powers and People with magical based powers.

You saying he can is wrong, cuz we don't know if he can or can't.

Though Profeeor X said Darwin can adapt to anything....so signs so far point to him being able rather then not.

Your right they do have omega level mutants.....for him to control.😉

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9339/marvel6iq.jpg

😱 😆

I love this mini. Villians with lots of power are soooooo much beter then heros with it.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
It's stated in the comic that Vulcan is not a master of all his powers.

Remeber what happend to Alpha Flight when they went up against a omega level mutant who just got all his uber power.

I doubt he was a master of his powers.

Here we go with all these damn one arc people.....vulcan loses because he is only being brought in to be brought down even harder....

Originally posted by Kool-Aid
I doubt he was a master of his powers.

Originally posted by Lucid Lui
The amount of power the Collective has is so insanely above Vulcan, and most everyone else aswell, it's ridiculous. And from what we've seen, the Collective does seem to have a good handle on a fair amount of his powers.