Batman vs 30 NAVY SEALS

Originally posted by Milkie
He dropped the number down to 10 so it will be 2 groups of 5. Let's not think too hard about this. I don't think he'd be hard to find. It all depends on the setup of the warehouse. Is it dark, empty, broken down? You can only do so much in a warehouse. These guys probably got some info on ol' Bats and know how he operates so they probably bring in some nice toys also. You know there are going to be Snipers waiting outside of that warehouse somewhere just in case they all get aced. They can always call in reinforcements perhaps. IMO, Batguy dies if he is up against real life Seals if there are no BS plot devices. Batman is also going to be weighed down from all this crap he is carrying. That cape is going to make some sounds for sure. They may have thermal goggles so they can see him doing his jumping and flipping and hiding and what not.

mhmm *ahem*

the warehouse is two stories, much like the design of the room where johnathan crane took rachael in Batman Begins, with things that can be knocked down to cause distraction, kerosene/gas barrels, all kinds of things in this warehouse that batman can use to his advantage to confuse these guys. n for the record, the seals know nothing, zip, nada about Batman. all they know is that the GCPD dont wanna deal with him and frankly, are scared to take them on themselves so they call the United States government to take care of it. they dont know if hes a demon, a guardian angel, a creature or w/e. they just know he can get shot w/o dying and disappear and reappear in the shadows. and Batman never carries too much equipment or has had a problem with it b4 with all of his gadgets, so y start now?? o yea n btw, thermal eye wear has 0 effect on Batman via coldness of black spray paint applied to it.

Originally posted by illadelph12
How is an inexperienced Movie Batman too much for 10 Navy Seals when he had a hard time with Scarecrow in their first encounter in the movie?

Don't forget, SEALs carry hand held motion detector/sonar devices, as well as having sattelite GPS and infrared survelance support. All they have to do is have have a heat scan of the building and they know where Batman is.

This isn't comic Batman, this is Batman Begins Rookie Batman.

Seals win.

don' matter either way.

Originally posted by superman41082
R U a big Batman fan Braz????

yea y?

Originally posted by braz
mhmm *ahem*

the warehouse is two stories, much like the design of the room where johnathan crane took rachael in Batman Begins, with things that can be knocked down to cause distraction, kerosene/gas barrels, all kinds of things in this warehouse that batman can use to his advantage to confuse these guys. n for the record, the seals know nothing, zip, nada about Batman. all they know is that the GCPD dont wanna deal with him and frankly, are scared to take them on themselves so they call the United States government to take care of it. they dont know if hes a demon, a guardian angel, a creature or w/e. they just know he can get shot w/o dying and disappear and reappear in the shadows. and Batman never carries too much equipment or has had a problem with it b4 with all of his gadgets, so y start now?? o yea n btw, thermal eye wear has 0 effect on Batman via coldness of black spray paint applied to it.

Ok, Gotcha. All I knew was it was a 2 story building. Bats 7/10 then........

Originally posted by braz
yea y?

Just cause you seemed quite pleased with my picking him........... I am, too!! I love Bats..........

Originally posted by braz
mhmm *ahem*

the warehouse is two stories, much like the design of the room where johnathan crane took rachael in Batman Begins, with things that can be knocked down to cause distraction, kerosene/gas barrels, all kinds of things in this warehouse that batman can use to his advantage to confuse these guys. n for the record, the seals know nothing, zip, nada about Batman. all they know is that the GCPD dont wanna deal with him and frankly, are scared to take them on themselves so they call the United States government to take care of it. they dont know if hes a demon, a guardian angel, a creature or w/e. they just know he can get shot w/o dying and disappear and reappear in the shadows. and Batman never carries too much equipment or has had a problem with it b4 with all of his gadgets, so y start now?? o yea n btw, thermal eye wear has 0 effect on Batman via coldness of black spray paint applied to it.

There is no purpose of this thread if this is the case.

Originally posted by braz
yea y?

Well I can see this doesn't need to be debated any further. It's basically a rhetorical question since you are both the thread starter and someone who won't accept logical arguments why your predetermined victor (Batman) would lose.

Nevermind.

Originally posted by superman41082
Just cause you seemed quite pleased with my picking him........... I am, too!! I love Bats..........

lol, awesome man. im watching Batman Begins right now. 😎

Originally posted by illadelph12
Well I can see this doesn't need to be debated any further. It's basically a rhetorical question since you are both the thread starter and someone who won't accept logical arguments why your predetermined victor (Batman) would lose.

Nevermind.

lol. whats ur problem? n what r u talking about? its not like it would be easy, none of the shyt bats does is easy, but he'd still get it done. He's Batman. a master of the arts of deception and theatricallity. n like superman410 said, special ops really arent that, well, "special" 😆 theyre only human, and feel fear unlike Batman. and thats enough to give him the advantage anytime.

Originally posted by braz
He's Batman

Well that sound awfully like somebody else I know around here 🙄

Originally posted by Milkie
Well that sound awfully like somebody else I know around here 🙄

And the thing is Milkie, he is Batman, and these guys would be nameless henchmen, who would most likely be there simply to job to Batman.

Also, Superman is Superman, and however sarcastically you refer to that statement, that doesn't change the perspective of the statement. Superman, like Batman, are resourceful and that statement is only in recognition of their experience and winning edge. Try and make it sound dumb if you like, it only makes you look immature...........

I for one think that Batman could defeat 30 SEALs, as long as it is the comicbook Batman and not any 'realistic' depiction of the character (for example any of the movie Batmen are more 'realistic' depictions ....well, as realistic as realism is on celluloid).
Anyways, here is why a comicbook Batman would win.

A United States Navy SEAL is arguably one of the best trained special forces operatives in the world. While there are some services that may claim to be better (each service always claims to be the best), it can be easily asserted that there is no one BETTER than a SEAL (now, equal is another matter, and there are contenders to the throne ....for example the amazing British SAS and SBS, the Israeli Sayaret groups, and even the American Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets, and the Delta force. And there are other groups that either have a similar purpose even though they may not be at the same level or have the same exact combat orientation, for example the Russian Spetsnaz, Indian RAW, French GIGN etc).
Anyways, the SEALs are amazing elite soldiers.

However they are facing a comicbook character, and that is their downfall!
No matter how good they are in the real world they ARE in/from the REAL WORLD, and are facing a character that is not only a FICTIONAL character but a fictional character from COMICBOOKS.
In comics things are a little 'different.'
For instance the comic Batman can dodge a fullisade of bullets simply by feeling the over-pressure of air as the bullet rushes towards him.
He can throw his batarangs and snap flying arrows into two along their grain.
He has sufficient stealth to creep up on characters like Daredevil and White Martians.
He has faced off against Aliens (who BTW in Batman vs Aliens 2 had destroyed an entire squadron of special forces soldiers themselves).

Anyways, there are a myriad points I could use (the above are actually nothing), but it would be best to just point people to the Batman Respect thread.

In a nutshell .....the SEALs are amazing military combatants, but if they are facing the COMICBOOK Batman with all his various 'peak human' (ahem) abilities, then they will fail.

Anyways, here is the Batman Respect Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t363873.html

In real life people do not disarm a bunch of people who have their guns drawn around you in a circle, and do it so fast that not only do they not see it but they do not even fire a shot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p4bae7579ff199808e2b06a218f2b84fc/fc24c27c.jpg

In the real world people do not take out helicopters with a knife they borrowed from a child:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/968/batcopter2.jpg

In the real world people do not throw a batarang BEHIND them without looking, knowing it will bounce off several surfaces and hit the target perfectly .....again, without even looking:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4968/batmark74sg.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2384/batmark89ww.jpg

In the real world people do not exhibit the following levels of strength:
http://www.geocities.com/revelator15/batduct.jpg

Anyways, the Batman respect thread (actually there is a better respect thread, but it is from a source outside the KMC and I do not know the politics of linking to external sources) has sufficient examples of Batman's abilities.

The SEALs are the peak of REAL WORLD human combatants, facing a character who is not only pure fiction but COMICBOOK fiction.
They do NOT have a chance in hell of winning.
Not a chance .....I give Batman 10/10 (WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THIS IS THE COMICBOOK BATMAN .....or for that matter comicbook Daredevil, comicbook Spiderman, comicbook Elektra etc etc etc etc etc .....against real world forces, all of them would be like bloody witchdoctors. Actually it reminds me of that line from the Daredevil movie where Bullseye says: 'You're good, baby, I'll give you that... but me? I'm magic.' It would be the same here .....the SEALs would think the COMICBOOK Batman was a freakin' bloody phantom or something).

Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.

However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.

Originally posted by superman41082
And the thing is Milkie, he is Batman, and these guys would be nameless henchmen, who would most likely be there simply to job to Batman.

Also, Superman is Superman, and however sarcastically you refer to that statement, that doesn't change the perspective of the statement. Superman, like Batman, are resourceful and that statement is only in recognition of their experience and winning edge. Try and make it sound dumb if you like, it only makes you look immature...........

I just said it sounded like someone I know. I'm not trying the make it sound dumb.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.

However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.

This is what I am trying to say.

Comic grunts are almost nothing against Superheros. Real guys actually have a chance.

Originally posted by Milkie
This is what I am trying to say.

Comic grunts are almost nothing against Superheros. Real guys actually have a chance.

And I know especially against someone like Batman. He is just a regular human.

One last point:

Am I the only one that can comprehend that the thread originator specifically said it's Batman from the movie "Batman Begins" versus 10 Navy SEALs?

Nothing Batman did in that movie would make me think he could take 10 Navy SEALs.

Comic Book Batman, yes.

Batman Begins Motion Picture Batman, hell no.

There's a great degree of separation between the depictions of Batman in the film and in the comics. It's like comparing Comic Batman to Adam West Campy 70's Batman and saying since he's "Batman", regardless of depiction, he'd take any combatant hand to hand.

Movie Batman only trained with Ra's Al Ghul, he didn't train with Shiva or any of the others in the film, and Morgan Freeman's character (Lucious Fox) was responsible for his tech. This is a totally different Batman people.

The SEALs would murder him.

Originally posted by illadelph12
One last point:

Am I the only one that can comprehend that the thread originator specifically said it's Batman from the movie "Batman Begins" versus 10 Navy SEALs?

Nothing Batman did in that movie would make me think he could take 10 Navy SEALs.

Comic Book Batman, yes.

Batman Begins Motion Picture Batman, hell no.

There's a great degree of separation between the depictions of Batman in the film and in the comics. It's like comparing Comic Batman to Adam West Campy 70's Batman and saying since he's "Batman", regardless of depiction, he'd take any combatant hand to hand.

Movie Batman only trained with Ra's Al Ghul, he didn't train with Shiva or any of the others in the film, and Morgan Freeman's character (Lucious Fox) was responsible for his tech. This is a totally different Batman people.

The SEALs would murder him.

You are not wrong, sir, and as I said if it is a 'realistic' (as much as that is possible on celluloid) Batman like the one in Batman Begins then the SEALs take this 9.5/10 ....if not 10/10 ....due to saturation of numbers.
The confusing aspect in this thread is that the thread creator said the following:

ok, here it is. this is Batman off of Batman Begins, except, he has ALL the skills and abilities thats hes been known to have in the comics. knowledge of mastering 127 different forms of martial arts, master of disguise, highly intelligent and possibly one of the worlds greatest scientists, tacticians, detectvies, criminalologists etc. and including all the gadgets he had in Batman Begins, as well as in the comics. this is the ultimate Batman combined in one.

He said that the 'movie Batman' had all of the skills and abilities and attributes found in the comic books, all his combative abilities (at comicbook levels), etc etc etc ....and that he is the 'ultimate' Batman combined into one.
That is the problem.

The OG was a tad bit on the ambiguous side, because it appears that he means that it is the BB movie Batman .....but with all the abilities of the comic Batman.
Ergo, it IS the COMIC Batman in the guise of the movie Batman (a crude analogy would be like saying that you have the real world Mayor of New York, but that now Mr Bloomberg has the powers and abilities of the comicbook Superman ......what is the result? Well, you'd have the comicbook Superman with all his powers and stuff, who just happens to LOOK like Mayor Bloomberg).

Thus, due to the way it was put, this is not the movie Batman.
It is the movie Batman with all the abilities and other particulars of the comicbook Batman, thus for all intents and purposes it is the comic Batman calling himself a movie (BB) Batman!

Hence what I said stands ......Batman wins 10/10 due to the points I made in the prior post.
The SEALs would be amazing, but they would be facing a character that doesn't stick to real world physics (and everything else).

Anyways: Breakdown:

- 30 Seals versus Batman Beyond movie Batman .......SEALs win 9.5-10/10

- 10 SEALs versus Batman Beyond movie Batman ......SEALs will have a very good chance of winning more often than not. I'd give them maybe a 7.5/10, and quite possibly even higher than that.

- 30 SEALs versus Batman Beyond Batman with all the abilities etc etc etc etc of the comicbook Batman (i.e the comicbook Batman calling himself BB Batman, but having all his comicbook abilities) ......Batman wins 10/10

- 10 SEALs versus Batman Beyond Batman with all the abilities etc etc etc etc of the comicbook Batman (i.e the comicbook Batman calling himself BB Batman, but having all his comicbook abilities) ......Batman wins 10/10

I guess that should cover the original way the thread creator started the thread, as well as all the changes that popped up in the middle of the thread.

Originally posted by braz
ok, here it is. this is Batman off of Batman Begins, exept, he has ALL the skills and abilities thats hes been known to have in the comics. knowledge of mastering 127 different forms of martial arts, master of disguise, highly intelligent and possibly one of the worlds greatest scientists, tacticians, detectvies, criminalologists etc. and including all the gadgets he had in Batman Begins, as well as in the comics. this is the ultimate Batman combined in one.

Gadgets: Bulletproof(except at point blank) Nomex survival suit, Graphite metal kevlar-reinforced cowl with earphone, Memory cloth cape for flight, grapple gun, batarangs(all assortments of them including exploding ones, bolas etc.), mini-mines, nerve/tear gas capsules, sonic sounders on boot, ninja spiked boots for scaling buildings, blade gauntlets, lead shot in glove, single marble(decoy), flexible periscope, cell phone, & first aid kit.

Batmans in a 2 story warehouse out in Gotham city at night, and the United States sends in 30 Navy Seals to take him down. and remember, Bats his the advantage of stealth, also.

no prep. bloodlust: on

who wins??

Batman is dead.

my uncle is a seal.... i think that nigga can take bats on any day of the week

Originally posted by braz
Batman Begins batman has armor which covers him from head to toe, including his cowl, so if it was BB Batman in this fight, a headshot would be not be possible😛 but i do get what ur saying batdude, he DOES have better martial arts skillz, but not gadgets, id say theyre about even w/ gadgets in both but hes prolly smarter though too in the comics. and i guess, sure, there's snipers, it dont make a difference, how can u hit what u cant see?? Batman(comics)(and movie-BB)>10 Navy Seals. easy.

They're even in gadgets? 🤨 Batman from the comics has all of those gadgets from BB, plus exploding batarangs, electric batarangs, liquid nitrogen capsules, gas pellets, REAL sonic weapons (Not a sonic tracking system used to call bats. What the hell was that all about?), etc... As you can see, the Batman from the comic has much better gadgets. 😉