lol why bother, and navy seals are the equivalent of our royal navy commandos right? can't remember exactly, but they are good soldiers but the idea of batman is that he can overcome big obstacles but he's still just a man, that s the catch with him, i say batman 6/10, against 15, half the original number.
This is getting out of control. Assuming we aren't going to make this a wuss fight, where SEALS just blow the building up, or a sniper witha 50 cal takes out Bats, Bats wins. His mastery of stealth and tactics, coupled with his h2h is far superious to 30 SEALS.
Can any SEALS crack mountains with their punches?
Originally posted by Grimm22
He could beat them, but not without taking his lickings 😉
Aren't Shield agents basically SEAL quality soldiers? I mean they are the most secretive highly trained operatives in the MU aren't they. I have seen Cap A without a seconds prep take out at least a dozen Shield agents. Look at CW, he also escaped the flying Shield base. In reall life I don't think anyone can do this, but we are not talking real life.
000 SECONDS [BATMAN IS DRAPED IN SHADOW, HIGH UP.]
simultaneously
BATMAN calls bats to him, carries an ultrasonic device.
simultaneously
Batman slips on air filter, floods warehouse with nerve toxin
001 SECONDS
simultaneously
Batman taps into seals communication channel, cranks volume up to 100 decibels through remote access.
simultaneously
Batman, targeting multiple points of entry discharges Explosives & nitrous oxide pellets putting the seals swarming inside on ice, exploses detonate outside the building catching the remainder.
see The Batman is a master in millitary strategy and deployment of troops.
003 SECONDS
taps key on pocket bat comp'/cell/blueberry/hardwired into BatCave + Oracle + G.P.D. calls for a meat wagon.
0032 SECONDS
scans warehouse through night vision infra red, x-ray wavelengths [optics in the cowl] finishes off survivors, erases evidence of his involvement, batarang fragments etc
055 SECONDS
The Dark Knight has left the building
120 MINUTES
detectives reviewing CCTV footage in the vicinity observe a flock of birds circling the Warehouse hmm Pigeons? and not Gotham's Finest sweeping the grounds for incriminating evidence [batarang shrapnell, survivors etc.]
Originally posted by spetznaz
I for one think that Batman could defeat 30 SEALs, as long as it is the comicbook Batman and not any 'realistic' depiction of the character (for example any of the movie Batmen are more 'realistic' depictions ....well, as realistic as realism is on celluloid).
Anyways, here is why a comicbook Batman would win.A United States Navy SEAL is arguably one of the best trained special forces operatives in the world. While there are some services that may claim to be better (each service always claims to be the best), it can be easily asserted that there is no one BETTER than a SEAL (now, equal is another matter, and there are contenders to the throne ....for example the amazing British SAS and SBS, the Israeli Sayaret groups, and even the American Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets, and the Delta force. And there are other groups that either have a similar purpose even though they may not be at the same level or have the same exact combat orientation, for example the Russian Spetsnaz, Indian RAW, French GIGN etc).
Anyways, the SEALs are amazing elite soldiers.However they are facing a comicbook character, and that is their downfall!
No matter how good they are in the real world they ARE in/from the REAL WORLD, and are facing a character that is not only a FICTIONAL character but a fictional character from COMICBOOKS.
In comics things are a little 'different.'
For instance the comic Batman can dodge a fullisade of bullets simply by feeling the over-pressure of air as the bullet rushes towards him.
He can throw his batarangs and snap flying arrows into two along their grain.
He has sufficient stealth to creep up on characters like Daredevil and White Martians.
He has faced off against Aliens (who BTW in Batman vs Aliens 2 had destroyed an entire squadron of special forces soldiers themselves).Anyways, there are a myriad points I could use (the above are actually nothing), but it would be best to just point people to the Batman Respect thread.
In a nutshell .....the SEALs are amazing military combatants, but if they are facing the COMICBOOK Batman with all his various 'peak human' (ahem) abilities, then they will fail.
Anyways, here is the Batman Respect Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t363873.html
In real life people do not disarm a bunch of people who have their guns drawn around you in a circle, and do it so fast that not only do they not see it but they do not even fire a shot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p4bae7579ff199808e2b06a218f2b84fc/fc24c27c.jpgIn the real world people do not take out helicopters with a knife they borrowed from a child:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/968/batcopter2.jpgIn the real world people do not throw a batarang BEHIND them without looking, knowing it will bounce off several surfaces and hit the target perfectly .....again, without even looking:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4968/batmark74sg.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2384/batmark89ww.jpgIn the real world people do not exhibit the following levels of strength:
http://www.geocities.com/revelator15/batduct.jpgAnyways, the Batman respect thread (actually there is a better respect thread, but it is from a source outside the KMC and I do not know the politics of linking to external sources) has sufficient examples of Batman's abilities.
The SEALs are the peak of REAL WORLD human combatants, facing a character who is not only pure fiction but COMICBOOK fiction.
They do NOT have a chance in hell of winning.
Not a chance .....I give Batman 10/10 (WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THIS IS THE COMICBOOK BATMAN .....or for that matter comicbook Daredevil, comicbook Spiderman, comicbook Elektra etc etc etc etc etc .....against real world forces, all of them would be like bloody witchdoctors. Actually it reminds me of that line from the Daredevil movie where Bullseye says: 'You're good, baby, I'll give you that... but me? I'm magic.' It would be the same here .....the SEALs would think the COMICBOOK Batman was a freakin' bloody phantom or something).Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.
Spetznaz has spoken, so shut up. 🙂
Originally posted by spetznaz
I for one think that Batman could defeat 30 SEALs, as long as it is the comicbook Batman and not any 'realistic' depiction of the character (for example any of the movie Batmen are more 'realistic' depictions ....well, as realistic as realism is on celluloid).
Anyways, here is why a comicbook Batman would win.A United States Navy SEAL is arguably one of the best trained special forces operatives in the world. While there are some services that may claim to be better (each service always claims to be the best), it can be easily asserted that there is no one BETTER than a SEAL (now, equal is another matter, and there are contenders to the throne ....for example the amazing British SAS and SBS, the Israeli Sayaret groups, and even the American Army Special Forces AKA Green Berets, and the Delta force. And there are other groups that either have a similar purpose even though they may not be at the same level or have the same exact combat orientation, for example the Russian Spetsnaz, Indian RAW, French GIGN etc).
Anyways, the SEALs are amazing elite soldiers.However they are facing a comicbook character, and that is their downfall!
No matter how good they are in the real world they ARE in/from the REAL WORLD, and are facing a character that is not only a FICTIONAL character but a fictional character from COMICBOOKS.
In comics things are a little 'different.'
For instance the comic Batman can dodge a fullisade of bullets simply by feeling the over-pressure of air as the bullet rushes towards him.
He can throw his batarangs and snap flying arrows into two along their grain.
He has sufficient stealth to creep up on characters like Daredevil and White Martians.
He has faced off against Aliens (who BTW in Batman vs Aliens 2 had destroyed an entire squadron of special forces soldiers themselves).Anyways, there are a myriad points I could use (the above are actually nothing), but it would be best to just point people to the Batman Respect thread.
In a nutshell .....the SEALs are amazing military combatants, but if they are facing the COMICBOOK Batman with all his various 'peak human' (ahem) abilities, then they will fail.
Anyways, here is the Batman Respect Thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f50/t363873.html
In real life people do not disarm a bunch of people who have their guns drawn around you in a circle, and do it so fast that not only do they not see it but they do not even fire a shot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p4bae7579ff199808e2b06a218f2b84fc/fc24c27c.jpgIn the real world people do not take out helicopters with a knife they borrowed from a child:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/968/batcopter2.jpgIn the real world people do not throw a batarang BEHIND them without looking, knowing it will bounce off several surfaces and hit the target perfectly .....again, without even looking:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4968/batmark74sg.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2384/batmark89ww.jpgIn the real world people do not exhibit the following levels of strength:
http://www.geocities.com/revelator15/batduct.jpgAnyways, the Batman respect thread (actually there is a better respect thread, but it is from a source outside the KMC and I do not know the politics of linking to external sources) has sufficient examples of Batman's abilities.
The SEALs are the peak of REAL WORLD human combatants, facing a character who is not only pure fiction but COMICBOOK fiction.
They do NOT have a chance in hell of winning.
Not a chance .....I give Batman 10/10 (WITH THE CAVEAT BEING THAT THIS IS THE COMICBOOK BATMAN .....or for that matter comicbook Daredevil, comicbook Spiderman, comicbook Elektra etc etc etc etc etc .....against real world forces, all of them would be like bloody witchdoctors. Actually it reminds me of that line from the Daredevil movie where Bullseye says: 'You're good, baby, I'll give you that... but me? I'm magic.' It would be the same here .....the SEALs would think the COMICBOOK Batman was a freakin' bloody phantom or something).Now, make it movie Batman and 30 SEALs will take down Wayne.
10 could probably do it.
Thus, with a 'realistic' Batman (eg any of the movie Batmen), the SEALs would probably win 9.5/10 due to saturation of numbers. However against the comicbook version they honestly have no chance against characters that track bullet motion.However set real world forces against comicbook characters and you have a situation where in one case people are following real world physics, and in the other the person is jumping off skyscrapers and giving Batkicks to Darkseid.
Bam! I think that says it the best right there.
I have family in both US and DK Special Forces groups, and I think people are taking a too unrealistic view at the SEALs, making every single one of them out to be Captain Americas.
Originally posted by Defiant1
Batman couldn't beat even one navy SEAL. We're talking about a superhero that can't even remember to put on his underwear BEFORE he gets in his costume. He waits until AFTER.Even Superman would struggle with a Navy SEAL.
Defiant1
Then they better stay the hell away from Canada's JTF-2 soldiers... 😄
