History of Christianity (what this has to do with the age of Methuselah I don't know)
-Man named Jesus (Greek translation of Hebrew Joshua or Jehoshua) is born, according to all accounts (admittedly second hand), to a virgin.
-Said Jesus performs miracles, teaches, and organizes his followers.
-Said Jesus is Crucified by the Romans, with some prodding from Jewish leaders.
-According to first and secondhand accounts Jesus is resurrected (restored to life). Witnesses are mostly among his followers, but Paul was anti-Christian at the time of his experience.
-Jesus followers preach, teach, etc. The church grows and is recognized as something other than an offshoot of Judaism.
-Church is persecuted by Jews
-Great persecution by "Gentiles" ie. Nero, Vespasian, etc. Nearly all the original church leaders die during this time. (much of the NT was written during this time AD 50's - 70's about)
-Arguments about doctrine and sacraments arise, some beliefs are called heresies
-about 300 AD Emperor Constantine declares Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire
-Over the course of many councils, a uniform belief system is established, as is the "canon" of scripture(what later became the Bible). Other beliefs and scriptures are destroyed. (willingly or not) This is the crystallization of the Roman Catholic Church.
-Dark Ages (Crusades, Inquisition, etc.)
-Theocratic power in Europe remains unchallenged until the reformation movement.
-Christian churches proliferate rapidly up to present day, diverse systems of belief form all claiming basis in the Bible.
Oh, and before all that - Methuselah is born, lives 969 years, and dies.
Originally posted by docb77
History of Christianity (what this has to do with the age of Methuselah I don't know)-Man named Jesus (Greek translation of Hebrew Joshua or Jehoshua) is born, according to all accounts (admittedly second hand), to a virgin.
-Said Jesus performs miracles, teaches, and organizes his followers.
-Said Jesus is Crucified by the Romans, with some prodding from Jewish leaders.
-According to first and secondhand accounts Jesus is resurrected (restored to life). Witnesses are mostly among his followers, but Paul was anti-Christian at the time of his experience.
-Jesus followers preach, teach, etc. The church grows and is recognized as something other than an offshoot of Judaism.
-Church is persecuted by Jews
-Great persecution by "Gentiles" ie. Nero, Vespasian, etc. Nearly all the original church leaders die during this time. (much of the NT was written during this time AD 50's - 70's about)
-Arguments about doctrine and sacraments arise, some beliefs are called heresies
-about 300 AD Emperor Constantine declares Christianity the religion of the Roman Empire
-Over the course of many councils, a uniform belief system is established, as is the "canon" of scripture(what later became the Bible). Other beliefs and scriptures are destroyed. (willingly or not) This is the crystallization of the Roman Catholic Church.
-Dark Ages (Crusades, Inquisition, etc.)
-Theocratic power in Europe remains unchallenged until the reformation movement.
-Christian churches proliferate rapidly up to present day, diverse systems of belief form all claiming basis in the Bible.
Oh, and before all that - Methuselah is born, lives 969 years, and dies.
This is not all history, some of this is mythology.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No one has ever been born of a virgin, it is not possible.
What if a virgin were artificially inseminated (ie. test tube baby). She still hasn't had sex, isn't she still a virgin?
Other possibility - anciently the word virgin referred to any young girl.
I'm still not seeing any mythology.
Originally posted by docb77
What if a virgin were artificially inseminated (ie. test tube baby). She still hasn't had sex, isn't she still a virgin?Other possibility - anciently the word virgin referred to any young girl.
I'm still not seeing any mythology.
Well, if you don't believe in the virgin birth, as defined by the church, then we don't have a problem.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, if you don't believe in the virgin birth, as defined by the church, then we don't have a problem.
depends on which church. I do believe that God is the Father of Jesus, I don't think of it in quite as mystical of terms as many Christian denominations do, since I think of God as being an actual person.
Originally posted by docb77
depends on which church. I do believe that God is the Father of Jesus, I don't think of it in quite as mystical of terms as many Christian denominations do, since I think of God as being an actual person.
I was only pointing out a part of you history line that could not be supported. There is nothing wrong with believing in the virgin birth, just don't list it as history. 😄
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was only pointing out a part of you history line that could not be supported. There is nothing wrong with believing in the virgin birth, just don't list it as history. 😄
Only thing is that all the primary sources do support that. I seem to recall another source dated a few centuries later that claimed that Mary was raped by a Roman soldier, but that's hardly reliable.
The sources we have are secondhand, true, but they are people who could have had actual knowledge from Jesus or Mary. In the absence of a written testimony from Mary, Only God can tell for sure.
😉
Originally posted by docb77You think god is an actual person who flew down from heaven to have sex with Mary a 14 year old???.....Oh, naughty god.
depends on which church. I do believe that God is the Father of Jesus, I don't think of it in quite as mystical of terms as many Christian denominations do, since I think of God as being an actual person.
He sounds just like Zeus...
And now back to Methuselah.......Yeah, he was old...
Originally posted by NineCoronas
Procure me access then, with reliable technology.
* try this... it got Hebrew and Greek translations... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
Why don't you try researching the history of your faith. You just might be surprised.....But then I'm sure, you won't come back to the forums and admit you were wrong about your belief.
* do not overshadow everything... history of Christianity and history of Catholicism are two distinct things... Christianity is true, Catholicism is a ruse... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
You think god is an actual person who flew down from heaven to have sex with Mary a 14 year old???.....Oh, naughty god.He sounds just like Zeus...
And now back to Methuselah.......Yeah, he was old...
* because God didn't do that... God and Mary are NOT husband and wife... God had chosen Mary to give birth God's Son in the flesh... but originally, God Himself, as a spirit, He was the One who gave birth to Christ... 😉
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father , he hath declared him."
John 1:18
* Christ was in the bosom of God...
"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee ? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"
Hebrews 1:5
* God Himself, gave birth to Christ... the only thing Mary gave birth was the manifestation of Christ in the flesh... 😉
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit ."
John 3:6
* and Jesus have siblings too... so after Mary gave birth to Jesus in the flesh, Joseph and Mary had really joined together as husband and wife, so Mary is not a virgin thereafter... 😉
* and yes, Methuselah was really old... 😉
* do not overshadow everything... history of Christianity and history of Catholicism are two distinct things... Christianity is true, Catholicism is a ruse...Catholics are Christians, and the protestant faith sprung from the same lie. Baptism, trinities, communion, and the cross are all pagan. These customs came before christianity.
And Methuselah as old as they say he was could not be true biologically...His bones wouldn't last, nor his teeth...cavities ya know..ie no dentists back then...
Originally posted by NineCoronas
Try [b]what? [/B]
* oops, sorry... here: The Blue Letter Bible ... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
Catholics are Christians, and the protestant faith sprung from the same lie. Baptism, trinities, communion, and the cross are all pagan. These customs came before christianity.
* then Catholics are pagans, not Christians... true Christians do not worship fellow humans, graven images, relics, etc... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
And Methuselah as old as they say he was could not be true biologically...His bones wouldn't last, nor his teeth...cavities ya know..ie no dentists back then...
* it can be... the earth then was not as polluted as it is now... consider the food they eat, their lifestyle, their diet, their habits... no canned goods, no preservatives, no MSG's, no carcinogens, etc... 😉
then Catholics are pagans, not Christians... true Christians do not worship fellow humans, graven images, relics, etc...As are Protestants. They grew out of the Catholic tree and brought with them rituals such as baptism, trinity, Satan, Last Judgment, Fire torment in hell,............All originated from paganism.
Originally posted by debbiejo
As are Protestants. They grew out of the Catholic tree and brought with them rituals such as baptism, trinity, Satan, Last Judgment, Fire torment in hell,............All originated from paganism.
* the doctrine of Baptism (not infant-baptism), the existence of Satan, the Last Judgment, the existence of Hell are all found in the Bible... believing in these things does not make someone a pagan... 😉
* plus, the doctrine of Trinity is not according to the Bible... 😉
Originally posted by peejaydThese practices were practiced long before the bible...and BTW there is no existence of hell in the OT........Look it up in your concordance. Look at the root Hebrew word and definition......Come back and tell us what it means. 😉
* the doctrine of Baptism (not infant-baptism), the existence of Satan, the Last Judgment, the existence of Hell are all found in the Bible... believing in these things does not make someone a pagan... 😉* plus, the doctrine of Trinity is not according to the Bible... 😉
Originally posted by debbiejo
These practices were practiced long before the bible...and BTW there is no existence of hell in the OT........Look it up in your concordance. Look at the root Hebrew word and definition......Come back and tell us what it means. 😉
* you got some twisted ideas...
"The wicked shall be turned into hell , and all the nations that forget God."
Psalms 9:17
* hell existed even on the Old Testament... 😉