Marka Ragnos vs DN Luke and DE Sidious

Ok, Td..
Show me proof Simus was DLOTS.

Just shut up, troll

Simus was DLOTS?

He wasn't. Like Ragnos, he was a contender to the title

That's what I thought.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Well it could be argued that Sadow manipulated and brainwashed them and that if they knew his true intentions, would not have sided with him.

Except that would be bullshit on the part of brainwashing (Since that's ludicrous), but you're right- Sadow DID manipulate the sith council. And frankly, the results were rather split. Even in the face of a Republic invasion, a lot of people wanted to cling to Ragnos' ideals. Tradition? Over self preservation? I'm not so sure.

Anyways, I will continue this later with scans so I can do it full justice.

Only two Sith Lords followed Kressh, Horak and Dor...and they were quickly dealt with, as Sadow planned

When Nadd assaulted Vodo it was because the both of them were connected to Kun, and Ommin at the time was already dying,

If Nadd can't effect any living being, how was it even possible for him to do such to Ommin? He may have been dying, but on the verge of death = still alive.

To add to Motoko's point, what Lightsnake asserted is called an unsupported assumption.

Lightsnake, why are you telling me to shut up when all of your arguments get dissected and destroyed. Calling me a troll might sound hypocritical.

Umm...Nadd says it himself. And Ommin being dying and of Nadd's blood might have something to do with it.

And Td, I want that quote about Simus

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Umm...Nadd says it himself. And Ommin being dying and of Nadd's blood might have something to do with it.

And where does Nadd say it? Quote please. As well, it doesn't matter either way if he said it or not, because he still does it.

If SWcomics was up, I'd find you the scan. Its when Nadd first appears

And once more: Ommin was a boneless heap on the floor and Nadd's blood to boot

Originally posted by Lightsnake
If SWcomics was up, I'd find you the scan. Its when Nadd first appears

And once more: Ommin was a boneless heap on the floor and Nadd's blood to boot

Answer me one question then: Is Ommin still living or not?

Wait.

Don't answer.

I'll answer for you: Yes.

Living being = Ommin = Nadd affected him = Nadd can affect a living being. I don't remember where Nadd says "I can't affect living beings...actually, yeah I can -- my blood and people that have a connection".

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Answer me one question then: Is Ommin still living or not?

Wait.

Don't answer.

I'll answer for you: Yes.

Living being = Ommin = Nadd affected him = Nadd can affect a living being. I don't remember where Nadd says "I can't affect living beings...actually, yeah I can -- my blood and people that have a connection".

I have to agree with this. Lightsnake, you're pulling a serious wild goose chase here in asserting that Nadd couldn't affect living things when he clearly does. And this doesn't address the fact that since Sadow's amulet can clearly destroy powerful force spirits, why was Sadow kneeling to Ragnos?

And once more: Ommin was already dying. Why does that condition not matter whatsoever?

Nadd himself says he's unable to affect the living when he appears before Arca.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I have to agree with this. Lightsnake, you're pulling a serious wild goose chase here in asserting that Nadd couldn't affect living things when he clearly does. And this doesn't address the fact that since Sadow's amulet can clearly destroy powerful force spirits, why was Sadow kneeling to Ragnos?

Pay attention. The reason the issue came up is your assertion that Nadd "can't affect living things". This was clearly refuted. And it goes back to MY point- why didn't Sadow just snuff Ragnos' spirit out of existance if he was powerful enough to contend with it?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And once more: Ommin was already dying. Why does that condition not matter whatsoever?

Nadd himself says he's unable to affect the living when he appears before Arca.

Contradiction.

Ommin was already dying. Okay, when someone is on the verge of death -- are they alive or not? Answer: yes, just because someone is on their way to death, does not mean they aren't alive.

Nadd can say whatever he wants, but his own words are contradicted.

I'm sure Ludo and the rest of the Sith would take it so well if Sadow struck a blow at Marka Ragnos, their former beloved dark lord for a century. That's about as logical as spitting on Prince Ramses's corpse.

And why was Nadd unable to affect Arca? Fine, he can affect dying people then.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm sure Ludo and the rest of the Sith would take it so well if Sadow struck a blow at Marka Ragnos, their former beloved dark lord for a century. That's about as logical as spitting on Prince Ramses's corpse

Your stance- the sith lords respected Ragnos because it was tradition.

You must PROVE this. Show us how the sith lords, slave owners, rules of an empire built on the dark side, stand around on tradition when it comes to respect.

Reasonably, since might is right in the Sith Empire, if Sadow WTFpwned Ragnos' spirit (Which, we would assume he could do it to Ragnos since he has the means), he would be undisputed in power. Hell, he just vanquished their leader, who ruled with an "iron fist" for over a century. Ludo could attack him, but Ludo was not taking the win in their duel beforehand, and Sadow outmanuevered Ludo later on as well.

We see that even though Sadow is blatantly being flamboyant and disrespectful at Ragnos' funeral in front of the other sith lords, no one rebukes him BUT Ludo. Likewise, when the two fight, no one intervines, or offs them both. I find it hard to believe that, if Sadow were able, he would NOT destroy the man whose legacy he's trying to overwrite. I highly doubt he was bound by fear of Ludo and his two goons.

I'm sure Ludo and the rest of the Sith would take it so well if Sadow struck a blow at Marka Ragnos, their former beloved dark lord for a century. That's about as logical as spitting on Prince Ramses's corpse.

The Sith way is one devoid of love, and very little loyalty. The sith would respect someone who could destroy Ragnos. They would follow that man like sheep. If Sadow could destroy Ragnos, get it straight, HE WOULD. I repeat, the Sith respect someone of immense POWER. If Sadow had the oppurtunity to prove such, then he would. This goes to the tyrannical Kressh as well.