Originally posted by grey fox
A. Secondary mutations - You already have a set of powers dammit you dont need anymoreB Stupid clone syndrome - Nate Grey , Goblin Queen , Ben riley .
C. Time Travel - Hey look it's our kid's from the future.....
D. Dumbass hypes - You can't [B]master
137 GODDAMN martial arts !!! [/B]
😆 So true
the boyscoutism usually does it for me...dont get me wrong im not saying that supes should develop a taste for wanton killing but i fail to see how he can thwart alien invasions without taking a single life, and just fly around breaking thier equipment and shit....and the one thing i cant get is in marvel why is it that whenever somebody wants to invade(Kree,skrulls,Shiar, Namor) they always show up on avengers, FF, Xmen's doorstep? in other words in manhattan, or the outkirts of NY, isnt that been done to death
you know whats up there too? when these characters develop a crsis of conscience and they go off on some soul searching road trip. like what hal and green arrrow, and the xmen used to do back in the day
*fresh from a big battle*
heroes: whew! that was some big battle, cool victory, too bad some serious sacrifices had to be made.
Soul searcher:*in a dark room some where* oh man, that battle really messed me up i lost a best friend, we came this close to dying and evil still almost one out, but what if we dont make next time? what if i cant do this anymore? i think i need a way to re-learn what it is to be a hero....hmmm....:ding!!: *light bulb* i know!!!! time for a self loathing, pathetic attempt at clearing my head...can somebody say road trip!
SS: oh wait better leave b4 my teammates can all gang up on me and give me that lame ass lecture how we are all familyand we are in this 2gether no matter what, so i shouldnt feel bad for what happened, and dont blame myself for [insert slain hero] dying.....oh f **** too late here they come..
lectureers: hey whats going on man? heroes dont quit... its not about falling down its getting back up......criminals are a superstitous and cowardly lot....being a hero is doing assloads of good and expected nothing in return.....we should still try to ptroect those who hate and fear us, else we'll be no better than they are...[a few hours of cliche banging later]........we are all family and we are in this 2gether no matter what, so you shouldnt feel bad for what happened, and dont blame yourself for [insert slain hero] dying, so if its some time you need go ahead and take it..
Queue the one member of the team who has the hots for whoever is leaving..
One member: hey I'll come with you..... to clear my head too/protect you/console you/ take a break from super heroing...
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The life-affirming road trip is pretty played out. It reminds me of how back in like 1997 every chick flick had a scene where all the woman get drunk and dance around a table to a Donna Summers song or some damn thing. For some reason this was supposed to be empowering. At least so far we've been spared seeing Kang, Doctor Doom, and Magneto dancing to "It's raining men".
'2. Flying or dodging at/near light speed. Jeez! There are so many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin.
And lastly, my "favorite"...'
This has got to be my favourite ..... the term light speed is thrown about a lot in comics, especially associated with the Flash. He now has a technique (Invented by the great Grant Morison) where he can hit an opponent at an infinite Mass. Thats sound impressive, and coherent taking special relativity into consideration, but one has to consider all the paradoxes associated. If he is at an 'near infinite mass', how is it that the planet has no gravitational problems ? How is it that the opponents atomic structure is left in tact, (it should have been reduced to subatomic particles and gamma rays). Every time he collided with an air particles he would cause an explosion capable of destroying the solar system. The list is never ending .... Writers should be more careful when using terms such as speed and infinite energy. 🙂
1. Morality Speeches, unless written by William Shakespeare or Mark Miller
2. Superheroes with underwear over their trousers.
3. Cosmic characters obsessed with energy blasts (Nothing compares to Dragonball Z when it comes to energy blasts).
4. Marvels obsession of letting the under dogs win .....
'Sentry's down with one punch !!!!!!!!!!'
'Who cares, here's spider woman and Captain Ammmerica'
5. The cosmic bullshit written by marvel .....
'Here comes another shinny character whose 1000000000000000000 ft tall and is refers to themselves in third person' 🙂
Originally posted by manjaro
the boyscoutism usually does it for me...dont get me wrong im not saying that supes should develop a taste for wanton killing but i fail to see how he can thwart alien invasions without taking a single life, and just fly around breaking thier equipment and shit....and the one thing i cant get is in marvel why is it that whenever somebody wants to invade(Kree,skrulls,Shiar, Namor) they always show up on avengers, FF, Xmen's doorstep? in other words in manhattan, or the outkirts of NY, isnt that been done to death
I would rather see Boy Scoutism than the obsession with Anti-Heroism in the 90's where every new hero was a copyoff of the Punisher, Wolverine or Batman.
The whole Dark Vibes in comics in the 90's sucked.
Originally posted by Doctor SKank
'2. Flying or dodging at/near light speed. Jeez! There are so many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin.
And lastly, my "favorite"...'This has got to be my favourite ..... the term light speed is thrown about a lot in comics, especially associated with the Flash. He now has a technique (Invented by the great Grant Morison) where he can hit an opponent at an infinite Mass. Thats sound impressive, and coherent taking special relativity into consideration, but one has to consider all the paradoxes associated. If he is at an 'near infinite mass', how is it that the planet has no gravitational problems ? How is it that the opponents atomic structure is left in tact, (it should have been reduced to subatomic particles and gamma rays). Every time he collided with an air particles he would cause an explosion capable of destroying the solar system. The list is never ending .... Writers should be more careful when using terms such as speed and infinite energy. 🙂
The pseudo-science surrounding the Flash is indeed irksome. I'd rather they didn't try that sort of stuff than give us half-baked science.
I don't buy the Infinite Mass Punch. If Wally really were subject to relativistic mass dilation, his body would tear inself apart long before he ever reached lightspeed. Furthermore if he were subject to relativistic affects, were he to attempt a speedblitz at greater than 90% lightspeed Wally would be the one who couldn't react fast enough. At .9c 2.3 seconds pass for the body at "rest" for every one second for the Flash. At .9999c 70.1 seconds pass to the oberver at rest for every one second that passes in the Flash's frame of reference. This would introduce all kinds of problems, not the least of which is getting-smashed-by/left-behind-by the planet Earth as it moves through its orbital curve.
The Speed Force is essentially magic. It lets him move outside the rules of spacetime physiscs, but according to some other (poorly defined) rules of its own. While it pays some lip-service to Relativity, it shields DC speedsters from any of it's actual effects. Furthurmore, it protects them from things like the impact on their joints, heat from friction, flying off the planet when they exceed escape velocity, having their faces rubbed off by their bow-wave while their GI tracks are sucked out their rear by their backdraft, and so on.
When he punches someone at superspeed, he's not hitting with the momentum of a human body at high velocity. It's essentially a speedforce force-bolt coincident with his hand. When he runs, he's certainly not propelling himself by pushing against the ground.
Originally posted by Disappear
comparing skyscrapers and aircraft carriers is like comparing apples to oranges. you're neglecting the fact that, essentially, all watercraft must be bouyant enough to float. or, at the very least, able to float with very little assistance from turbines, propellers, etc. a skyscraper would sink like a stone if placed in the water, simply because it's not designed to float. so, while you're comparing sizes, it doesn't really make much sense to hold their relative weights as decent, comparable measurements.also, it looked, to me, like namor was resisting the torque of the propeller until it snapped off. he may also have been holding the ship in place, which really only means he stopped its forward momentum after cutting off its power supply. that in itself is quite impressive, but really has little to do with the weight of the ship.
that's actually not true. most superstrong characters can move at somewhat accelerated speeds due to their overall adaption, but very few are designed to move at "superspeeds," especially not at 300 miles per hour. i went into the actual biological reasons why in another thread, but it basically comes down to two different types of muscle tissue. fast-twitch, which is used for quick, repetitive motions, and slow-twitch, which is used for overall strength. running, which is a combination of coordination and strengthened fast-twitch fibers, is not very well linked to lifting. it's true that both fibers will be strengthened to different degrees during different exercises [in that slow-twitch fibers are strengthened a very small degree during running and other fast-twitch exercises, and fast-twitch fibers are strengthened marginally while the slow-twitch fibers are working,] but that does not mean superstrong should equate to superspeed. their muscularity would have to be at least one and a half again times as large to accomodate the appropriate fast-twitch fibers.
All true. My point however is that I can deal with a guy like the Hulk running and jumping as he can, but being able to tow the moon and race Flash around the world leave too much room for CIS.
Originally posted by Doctor SKank
...If he is at an 'near infinite mass'...
Comics have become much more sophisticated in the last few decades...and so have their readers. Many of us seem to like less mindless fantasy and more realism, not just with social or psychological issues but also with regard to principles of physics, actually bringing the genre closer to science fiction...which, initially, is how Schuster and Siegel regarded their creation.