Crisis on Infinite earths vs. Infinite Crisis

Originally posted by Dayscribe
Civil War in one issue has already outdone IC. Sorry, but Infinite Crisis was a lot of hype. It was a good story and all, but not really that big of a deal. It seemed like one big advertisement for Superboy Prime. 😬

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Originally posted by Validus
Because House of Wolverine was so great, right? The last good mega crossover from Marvel was The Infinity Gauntlet and the original Crisis poops on that.

Sales mean squat. I can name a ton of things that do well financially but still suck.

And I would disagree.

Originally posted by Validus
Because House of Wolverine was so great, right? The last good mega crossover from Marvel was The Infinity Gauntlet and the original Crisis poops on that.

Sales mean squat. I can name a ton of things that do well financially but still suck.

what a schmuck

Originally posted by King KAM
infinity gauntlet.....yeah...thats the last great marvel crossover....

what a schmuck

Name something that was good.

House of M? Issues 2-5 are Wolverine wandering about NYC and you can say IC was a SBP ad? What a joke.

Onslaught? Heroes Reborn? Infinity Crusade? 😆

Marvel has two good crossovers in Secret Wars II and Infinity Gauntlet.

Originally posted by Validus
Likewise.

Name something that was good.

House of M? Issues 2-5 are Wolverine wandering about NYC and you can say IC was a SBP ad? What a joke.

Onslaught? Heroes Reborn? Infinity Crusade? 😆

Marvel has two good crossovers in Secret Wars II and Infinity Gauntlet.

all of them are talked about on the forums quite often...yet DC is bashed...but hey im talking to a DC fanboy so....whatever.

And no im not for Marvel, Im actually neutral, DC has just been gettinf out-written lately.

Originally posted by Validus
Likewise.

Name something that was good.

House of M? Issues 2-5 are Wolverine wandering about NYC and you can say IC was a SBP ad? What a joke.

Onslaught? Heroes Reborn? Infinity Crusade?

Marvel has two good crossovers in Secret Wars II and Infinity Gauntlet.

Onslaught was pretty good. Heroes Reborn's story would have been better if the art wasn't so horrible. Liefeld 😘

To be honest, Annihilation and Civil War have been amazing so far, and very well written. Also, Marvel has the Ultimates that are great as well. House of M could've been better.

Originally posted by King KAM
onslaught was better than anything DC has produced, but then so was the AOA, every Infinity thats come out, Dissasembeled, and The End.

all of them are talked about on the forums quite often...yet DC is bashed...but hey im talking to a DC fanboy so....whatever.

And no im not for Marvel, Im actually neutral, DC has just been gettinf out-written lately.

Threads? The IC #7 thread has more posts than the Civil War thread and has been up for less time. What's currently a plague on the Vs forum? Superboy Prime threads. The Annihilation threads struggle to hit 2 pages. Most people here seem rather excited for 52. That says a lot considering this forum is heavily Marvel biased. 😕

As for being DC fanboy? I probably buy more Marvel comics than half the self proclaimed Marvel zombies on this forum. Whatever.

Well, here's the thing, Validus: What company is issuing more comics than the other with their event? DC. You've got everything that ties in with IC, 52, then OYL. That's a LOT of comics, and plenty to discuss. People aren't noticing Annihilation, and Civil War has been out for a day.

The IC tie ins have been over since March. I don't think it's really fair to say OYL is a tie in since all of them are completely self contained in their own books.

DC is running Infinite Crisis followed by 52 and nothing else. Marvel is running Annihilation, Civil War and Planet Hulk all at the same time and then this fall theres the Heroes Reborn thing plus the Ultimate Power crossover.

Originally posted by Dayscribe
Well, here's the thing, Validus: What company is issuing more comics than the other with their event? DC. You've got everything that ties in with IC, 52, then OYL. That's a LOT of comics, and plenty to discuss. People aren't noticing Annihilation, and Civil War has been out for a day.

For example about what Validus was saying though...

The Infinite Crisis 1 thread, just one book, over 200 replies, and nearly 4000 views. Impressive on a site heavy with Marvel fans.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=371842&highlight=Crisis

Originally posted by Dayscribe
Well, here's the thing, Validus: What company is issuing more comics than the other with their event? DC. You've got everything that ties in with IC, 52, then OYL. That's a LOT of comics, and plenty to discuss. People aren't noticing Annihilation, and Civil War has been out for a day.

Originally posted by King KAM
its the truth, look at the sales....look at the threads....the proof is in the pudding my child...the proof is in the pudding...

What sales? Infinite crisis is #1 nearly every month that it's been out.

The top 10 in march were half and half Marvel/DC.

Marvel's cross-overs do tend to suck especially the ones with the same
"Thanos is God" Story.........😘

Edit:"suck" is too harsh of a word since I actually enjoy them a little but they're still very repetitive..........

I see 52 as an IC tie in because it's the aftermath, just like OYL is. Still though, there is a LOT to talk about with the entire span of things, starting at the countdown and ending with 52.

The big problem is that nobody is noticing that Marvel has the good stuff. You just have to look for it. The good Spider-Man stories haven't came along for a while, and X-Men is just boring nowadays. New Avengers could be better as well. However, you've got Squadron Supreme, the Ultimates, Cable and Deadpool, and many more lesser known comics that are flat out great. However, I don't see how this is a Marvel biased forum though. I see more DC threads here than anywhere else. 😬

Originally posted by Dayscribe
I see 52 as an IC tie in because it's the aftermath, just like OYL is. Still though, there is a LOT to talk about with the entire span of things, starting at the countdown and ending with 52.

The big problem is that nobody is noticing that Marvel has the good stuff. You just have to look for it. The good Spider-Man stories haven't came along for a while, and X-Men is just boring nowadays. New Avengers could be better as well. However, you've got Squadron Supreme, the Ultimates, Cable and Deadpool, and many more lesser known comics that are flat out great. However, I don't see how this is a Marvel biased forum though. I see more DC threads here than anywhere else.

When you see people giving Sentry the nod at beating Spectre, and Hulk having 105 votes against Superman, and other polls and stuff... it's pretty obvious... you really must not be reading the same forum.

Originally posted by Juntai
It's not part of the Crisis though, it's just the "new world" and the readers having to learn about it mostly... if you consider 52 part of Crisis, pretty much every issue of every comic in DC from here on out is part of Crisis. It's just the ongoing story, the crisis is ended. The bad guys defeated.

When you see people giving Sentry the nod at beating Spectre, and Hulk having 105 votes against Superman, and other polls and stuff... it's pretty obvious... you really must not be reading the same forum.

Friend of mine once told me that hostility over nothing is the sign of a complete tool. You getting pissed at someone over the internet for them calling it the way they see it doesn't say much for your character. 😉

So I see 52 as a tie in to the direct aftereffect. So what? That's my opinion. Not changin it. I also came on here and saw 30+ threads about DC characters and comics. That would lead me to believe 2 things:
DC Biased forums
Outspoken DC fans

Back on topic: I will say that IC as a whole was pretty good, but by no means what I expected. The ending was really, really lackluster. It all came down to one big galactic tantrum, then who saves the day? Superman. It all ends up with Superman winning, again. To be honest, it all ended up with the cliche'. Huge dissapointment.

Originally posted by Validus
Because House of Wolverine was so great, right? The last good mega crossover from Marvel was The Infinity Gauntlet and the original Crisis poops on that.

Sales mean squat. I can name a ton of things that do well financially but still suck.

Like the star wars Prequels 😱

on the whole, coie certainly felt more epic. i mean, hard to compete with the endings of countless universes and a story that rewrites CREATION!! but there were plenty of disappointments in coie. IC i thought should have been longer, but i liked the character development and the lead up MUCH better than coie. the build up to IC was just spectacular imo. villains united, omac, identity crisis. these were GREAT stories, and built up a great sense of 'i can't wait for IC!!!'

i view the 2 stories as very different -- coie revolved around a crisis in the dcu, while IC revolved around a crisis of CHARACTERS. of course looking at it that way, it's easy to understand why coie felt more epic, but i like the way most characters were handled in IC better than coie.

both had some great and not so great moments, both were at times hard to follow for their complexities and both seemed to have been a little too crammed with info. i think BOTH delivered many more positives though, than negatives and for me all i can really say is i liked the 'epic feel' of coie, but i liked the 'character crisis' of IC.

maybe a cop out, but that's how's i see it.

Originally posted by King KAM
onslaught was better than anything DC has produced, but then so was the AOA, every Infinity thats come out, Dissasembeled, and The End.

all of them are talked about on the forums quite often...yet DC is bashed...but hey im talking to a DC fanboy so....whatever.

And no im not for Marvel, Im actually neutral, DC has just been gettinf out-written lately.

You do realize this the most biased marvel forum (imho) next to the Bendis forums 🙄

Of course not alot of people talk about DC here cause mots of you are all Freeaking Marvel Fanboys

and you're not a DC fanboy? You seem to enjoy insulting Marvel fans a bit too much.

Originally posted by Dayscribe
and you're not a DC fanboy? You seem to enjoy insulting Marvel fans a bit too much.

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anyways back on topic in My opinion no crossover will ever top COIE .

Wolfman wrote such a great story
and Perez's artwork was amazing

So while Johns and Jimenez did a great job I don't think they did as well as Wolfman/ Perez. But thats my opinion