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Patriots had Tom Brady and a really good defense. Seattle didn't win a Super Bowl(I'm thinking that's the goal), Bears had a great defense and didn't win a Super Bowl, Cowboys have none of those. Cowboys already have Barber. But they have no #2 receiver. Glenn is done imo, Crayton is unreliable and Hurd isn't a #2. And for a pass first offense, having no real #2 receiver is not a good thing. I don't think they'll win a Super Bowl with just T.O. 49ers didn't, Eagles didn't(they had a more complete team) and the Cowboys wont. As a matter of fact it's looking like they're going into this season with virtually the same team, same offense. The same offense that got held to just 17 points in the playoffs, only 3 second half points and completely fell apart at the end of the season. I don't know about you, but I would like to add to that offense, instead of keeping it the same. What exactly is going to be the difference this season? How will the Cowboys win the NFC and ultimately the Super Bowl with the same team that got eliminated in their first playoff game? If I were a fan, I would want to add Chad Johnson, easily a top 5 receiver. Romo, Owens, Barber, Johnson and Witten is definitely in a better position to win a Super Bowl than any team in the NFL.

I'm unsure about the current Cowboys team. Do people think the Giants were lucky to get by them in the playoffs? Maybe that is the reason they would like to go into this season with virtually the same team. Makes sense.

John Clayton is reporting Pacman is going to be reinstated before the start of the draft. Sure you could take your chances with a 21 year old unproven CB in the draft, or you can go with the 24 year old proven CB who is going to make an immediate impact. And last time I checked, with Owens getting older, you guys were trying to win now. Not wait for some rookie who most likely will be your #3 corner for at least a season to come around.

And what the hell are you talking about Smas? T.O. will start acting up? Have you even been watching him these past two seasons? I've followed him his whole career, and it's common misconception to think he's going to start whining if someone is taking his catches away. That is total BS. He's looking to win a Super Bowl anyways, not pad his stats, or getting X amount of receiving yards per game. Johnson said it would work. Owens has NEVER complained about a lack of passes thrown his way when the team is winning and the offense isn't struggling. If the offense is struggling, the team is down and he has 1 pass thrown to him, he's going to do what any competitor would do. I wouldn't worry about him anyways, you're trying to win a Super Bowl, not keep Owens happy.

Besides Jerry Jones promised some kind of "wow" factor this offseason. Can't wait to see what he does.

as of right now I havnt read most of that post but you ruined your argument in the first couple lines. So you think they need a #2 WR? Ok I have no problem there go out and get one in the draft, Chad is no #2 and according to your own words is not what they need.

Originally posted by forumcrew
as of right now I havnt read most of that post but you ruined your argument in the first couple lines. So you think they need a #2 WR? Ok I have no problem there go out and get one in the draft, Chad is no #2 and according to your own words is not what they need.

You need someone to take away some pressure off of T.O. He's never really played with a really good #2 receiver in his career as a #1. And he's still managed to put up monster numbers. I just don't see one that would make an immediate impact in this draft. Which is why I was in favor of getting Moss and now Johnson. But Dallas is a pass oriented offense, having no #2 is a not good at all. Whoever you line up opposite T.O. is going to be better no doubt, but will they be a reliable go to receiver? Or drop huge passes like Crayton.

I don't get the last part. Chad would be a #2 if he went to Dallas. And I've said multiple times that they need another good receiver.

Originally posted by forumcrew
cowboys need barber 100 times more than they need chad right now. Do you know how many teams have done well with all average to good WR's? A lot. Patriots won some superbowls without start WR's Seattle has won their division 5 years in a row and gotten to a superbowl with Jackson and Branch being their top of the line WR's, bears got to a superbowl with berrian and muhammed Giants did it with Plax and then toomer? tyree?. I think dallas can manage with T.O.

To be fair teams can win without great Rbs too. Look at Denver.

Yeah, another good receiver. Not another great huge ego receiver like Chad Johnson.

TO hasnt acted up, but with Chad Johnson, he will. He will start complain that he isnt getting enough balls from Romo if CJ is on the team. It will happen the other way with CJ.

The Cowboys are trying to win the SB, but that doesnt automatically happen if Chad Johnson is on the team.

Lord Evo, how many teams have won a SB that had a huge pass oriented offense? Please tell me? The only team I can really think of is the Colts two years ago, but they didnt win it with thier pass game, they won it with Addai, Rhodes and Bob Sanders.

I dont want CJ on my team unless he replaces TO. You cant have CJ and TO on the same team. No matter how great the offense could be, in the end it wont win the Superbowl.

They lost to the Giants on two things. The offensive line started to play like shit in the second half, which in turn screwed up the offense and all the players got beat. Adding CJ wouldnt of made a difference. In the end, they still lost.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
To be fair teams can win without great Rbs too. Look at Denver.

Elway's Denver who had Terrell Davis?

Originally posted by Lord Evolution
Patriots had Tom Brady and a really good defense. Seattle didn't win a Super Bowl(I'm thinking that's the goal), Bears had a great defense and didn't win a Super Bowl, Cowboys have none of those. Cowboys already have Barber. But they have no #2 receiver. Glenn is done imo, Crayton is unreliable and Hurd isn't a #2. And for a pass first offense, having no real #2 receiver is not a good thing. I don't think they'll win a Super Bowl with just T.O. 49ers didn't, Eagles didn't(they had a more complete team) and the Cowboys wont. As a matter of fact it's looking like they're going into this season with virtually the same team, same offense. The same offense that got held to just 17 points in the playoffs, only 3 second half points and completely fell apart at the end of the season. I don't know about you, but I would like to add to that offense, instead of keeping it the same. What exactly is going to be the difference this season? How will the Cowboys win the NFC and ultimately the Super Bowl with the same team that got eliminated in their first playoff game? If I were a fan, I would want to add Chad Johnson, easily a top 5 receiver. Romo, Owens, Barber, Johnson and Witten is definitely in a better position to win a Super Bowl than any team in the NFL.

I'm unsure about the current Cowboys team. Do people think the Giants were lucky to get by them in the playoffs? Maybe that is the reason they would like to go into this season with virtually the same team. Makes sense.

John Clayton is reporting Pacman is going to be reinstated before the start of the draft. Sure you could take your chances with a 21 year old unproven CB in the draft, or you can go with the 24 year old proven CB who is going to make an immediate impact. And last time I checked, with Owens getting older, you guys were trying to win now. Not wait for some rookie who most likely will be your #3 corner for at least a season to come around.

And what the hell are you talking about Smas? T.O. will start acting up? Have you even been watching him these past two seasons? I've followed him his whole career, and it's common misconception to think he's going to start whining if someone is taking his catches away. That is total BS. He's looking to win a Super Bowl anyways, not pad his stats, or getting X amount of receiving yards per game. Johnson said it would work. Owens has NEVER complained about a lack of passes thrown his way when the team is winning and the offense isn't struggling. If the offense is struggling, the team is down and he has 1 pass thrown to him, he's going to do what any competitor would do. I wouldn't worry about him anyways, you're trying to win a Super Bowl, not keep Owens happy.

Besides Jerry Jones promised some kind of "wow" factor this offseason. Can't wait to see what he does.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying.. Hope Jerry Jones can keep Pacman from shooting up the Texas strip clubs. Maybe Romo will baby sit ji and both will shoot up the strip clubs.. 😆

Originally posted by Pezmerga
To be fair teams can win without great Rbs too. Look at Denver.

Originally posted by forumcrew
Elway's Denver who had Terrell Davis?

Originally posted by forumcrew
Elway's Denver who had Terrell Davis?

Denver always has success in the running game because of their O-Line.
O-line > RB

wait so your actually saying Davis wasnt a great RB? I am not saying the O-line wasnt good but I am 100% confident that Elway, reggie white, and mike holmgren would all tell you TD carried the broncos to that superbowl win. Unless you think 150+ yards and 3 scores isnt a great game. Oh and elway took one in from 1 yard out that could have easily been #4 for TD.

Not to mention he followed it up next year with another 150+ yard superbowl game, this time Elway at least held up his end and a great pass attack to go with it.

Originally posted by forumcrew
wait so your actually saying Davis wasnt a great RB? I am not saying the O-line wasnt good but I am 100% confident that Elway, reggie white, and mike holmgren would all tell you TD carried the broncos to that superbowl win. Unless you think 150+ yards and 3 scores isnt a great game. Oh and elway took one in from 1 yard out that could have easily been #4 for TD.

Not to mention he followed it up next year with another 150+ yard superbowl game, this time Elway at least held up his end and a great pass attack to go with it.

I only meant that Denver didn't need a great RB to have success recently, I wasn't talking about 10 years ago. Thus, I was pointing out that teams can win without a "Star" RB.

Not saying that a Great RB isn't a plus either, but I think WR's that don't drop balls are more important in some cases. Especially when you have a good QB.

But Denver hasnt won anything lately.

I think the point is that in playoffs, RB's are more important to the team than an WR is. You can easily win a SB without having a great pass attack. You dont need two egotistical WR's to win. You only need one.

Originally posted by Smasandian
But Denver hasnt won anything lately.

I think the point is that in playoffs, RB's are more important to the team than an WR is. You can easily win a SB without having a great pass attack. You dont need two egotistical WR's to win. You only need one.

This years Superbowl contenders didn't have a great featured RB.

I agree that a running game is very important in the playoffs, but my point is that a Great O-line is more important to a running game than a Great RB.

Obviously a great o-line is crucial to football, but thats not what I'm saying.

I'm saying is that a good RB is more important than a good WR in the playoffs.

This year contenders had a good run games. The Patriots have a under appreciated RB who got overshadowed by the great pass offense (which failed when the Superbowl came around), while the Giants had a balanced gameplan.

Pats do have a very good RB who just isnt used but who stepped up and performed well any time he was asked last year. However to use your own point against you I think if you asked anyone would say the Giants had a better run game than the Pats and the Pats had the better pass game. And who won the game? Kinda proves the point of run more important than pass maybe? (now we all know the Dline won that game for NY but still he brought up the example)

That proves nothing. Some people may say a dominant defensive line is more important than a dominant offense, then again the Giants only won by 3. Though miracle and luck were both on the Giants side.

i already said everyone knows the Dline was the key to that game, but he used an example of one of the most prolific passing teams of all time losing the superbowl as an example for why run game isnt important.. just pointing out that the better run team did come out ahead and he amazing pass team failed. I know one thing Great pass rushing DE's arnt gonna stop a great run game.

There is a reason on why a QB who has led the league in passing (not TD's) have never won a Superbowl.

Look at this year's playoffs.

You had Dallas, Green Bay losing against the Giants. Both have great pass offenses. You had the Patriots losing against the Giants, the best pass offense of all time (arguably).

Out of all the past 10 years of SB winners, only the Rams and the Colts had prolific passing attack. But the Rams also had one of the best RB to ever play in Marshall Faulk and the Colts won the Superbowl and the playoffs through Addai and Rhodes and careful management from Manning.

In the end, in playoffs, its more important from a offense point of view to have a great run game than a great pass game. You can easily win a SB with an decent pass game that doesnt throw INT's.

Ok fine I'll put it this way.
Who would you rather have, Jerry Rice in his prime or Emmit Smith in his prime? to ME the great WR's are great on their own. Of course a good QB helps their stats, but a Great RB needs a good O-line to block for him.

I'll take Rice. Putting together a great O-line and plugging a decent RB back there will be enough for me.

I of course still agree you need a good Running Game to compete. I just think you can get by without a Star at RB. Of course football has alot of variables so it's kind of hard to generalize.

Just a little trivia to throw out there. No team who has had the league leader in passing yards has ever won the Super Bowl.