Aikman had to do much more than Roethlisberger has done in Pittsburgh's offense. I have no problem with his HOF induction.
Bledsoe in the HOF though? No. First, it won't happen. And second, it shouldn't happen. Bledsoe was always just on the cusp of being an elite QB. I remember when he was the "next Dan Marino" back in NE, which obviously never worked out. He's always been a good starter, and still is I think, but isn't HOF-worthy.
Oh I totally forgot about Cleveland.....Ahhhh...and remember I thought that was your favourite team?
Strengths: I would say pretty average team with good players, but no star players outside of Bulluck. Hope was a good pickup and I was dissappointed with the Boys not picking him up. Thornton is a good OLB and Vanden Bosch is good LE. WR core is pretty decent also, but not overally great. Good depth at RB.
Weaknesses: They do play the Colts and Jaguars twice, but then the Texans also twice. Secondary aside from FS is pretty weak with holdout boy Pacman Jones (who the hell calls thier kids Pacman). Chris Brown is a good talen, but worthless due to injuries evry year. I've always said that Vince Young is going to be a bust, so I cant see anything coming out of him this year.
Prediction: 6-10. They have a pretty tough schedule with good teams, aside from 2 houston, ravens, and Buffalo and the Jets.
Pacman Jones is the best part about the Titans. Not because of his play on the field, but because ESPN plays the PacMan gobble sound effects whenever he returns a kick.
On another note of the "if you're in a good system, then you suck" argument: While no one can doubt that Big Ben is in a system that caters to winning football games (imagine that concept!!), you cannot argue that if he had not played up to a high level in all 3 playoff games, they would not have advanced to Detroit. You can say otherwise, but I watched each game about 10 times a piece and it sure looked like that to me.
Point is, yes, he's in a system just like Aikman was, but I'll take the experience and winning attitude a QB is supposed to have in big games over some hotshot whose throws every other pass 50 yards down the field and prays for his receiver to catch it or pass interference.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Would you put Bledsoe in the Hall Of Fame?Also, I love how you dont notice that I dont need to write a full length post about everything you say. All I said about those players is that its bullshit to think that somebody can win 3 superbowls and 90 games in a decade by his team, and dont tell me its because everybody else was soo good, the QB didnt matter. Everybody knows that if you have a good QB, a team will do good.
As I said before, I dont call Aikman the best, or the top 10, all I'm saying is that he was very good QB who had a tendency to win games, and to think that the QB didnt do anything during the whole decade is bullshit.
I notice you dont answer anything and if your not going to or at least read my posts than this is rather pointless. And where the hell did Bledsoe come into discussion quit wasting my time with meaningless factless post. Your just arguing and doing quite bad just to argue A guy like you should be in the comicbook versus forum where Fact ,cannon and proof have no place. You take everything out of context and twist words to make your self sound like you have a arguement next time I hope you bring something besides this shit cause it is not cutting it Nothing in that whole waste of space you call a reply has anything to do with what I have laid out.
The arugment was and always was this: Troy aikman was a SYSTEM quaterback who had a strecth of 4or 5 years when he was surrounded by basically a prow bowl roster I even show you and after the majority was lost either to retirement and free agency he went back to meaing mediocre to say the least durability down the toliet. Now that I explained for the 10 time when you take his first 2 years his last 4 with the ecption of that 4 year strecth he was shit for half his career plain simple undeniable. The guy got 3 rings from that team he was good in that strecth but in no way Hall of Fame.
Originally posted by botankus
Pacman Jones is the best part about the Titans. Not because of his play on the field, but because ESPN plays the PacMan gobble sound effects whenever he returns a kick.On another note of the "if you're in a good system, then you suck" argument: While no one can doubt that Big Ben is in a system that caters to winning football games (imagine that concept!!), you cannot argue that if he had not played up to a high level in all 3 playoff games, they would not have advanced to Detroit. You can say otherwise, but I watched each game about 10 times a piece and it sure looked like that to me.
Point is, yes, he's in a system just like Aikman was, but I'll take the experience and winning attitude a QB is supposed to have in big games over some hotshot whose throws every other pass 50 yards down the field and prays for his receiver to catch it or pass interference.
I agree. How many times have you seen an bad QB make bad QB decisions which cost the game? Heck, I hated watching Testeverde play for Dallas because every single time they need an TD, or just to run out the clock, he would throw an Inteception...but hey, he threw for gazillion yards, so he's good.
Chris, I used Bledsoe as an example. He has the stats to get into the Hall Of Fame, but I asked you if he belongs. Simple question.
Another thing, "Consider these stats from the 11 playoff games over the 1992-95 seasons: 228-of-334 for 2,915 yards, with 22 touchdowns and eight interceptions. The completion rate (68 percent) and yards per game (265) are both well above his career regular-season averages.
The 10-1 record is pretty good, too" Is that considered good stats for playoff games?
Another thing, http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/halloffame/stories/020506cpaikmanfeat.4614c6c8.html
Little segment.
"But don't blame Aikman. Blame Cowboys coaches Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer. Blame Cowboys offensive play-callers Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese. They didn't allow Aikman any garbage stats.
Aikman was too efficient for his own good. His job was to get the Cowboys in front. When he did – and it was usually by halftime – the Cowboys stopped throwing.
"When we got leads," Turner said, "the run took over."
Counting the postseason, Aikman started 158 games for the Cowboys in the 1990s. The Cowboys led at halftime in 98 of them and found themselves tied on 10 other occasions.
Wonder why Aikman had so few come-from-behind victories? He was rarely behind.
Wonder why Aikman had so few 300-yard passing games in his career? He was usually done throwing by halftime.
In those 158 starts, he threw 10 passes or fewer in the second half of 36 games. There were 13 other second halves that he threw 10 times or fewer because of an injury or because his coaches opted to rest him in a blowout.
JOHN F. RHODES / DMN
Troy Aikman seldom put up big passing numbers because the Cowboys were so often ahead, they seldom needed him to. So in 31 percent of his starts in the 1990s, Aikman barely threw the ball enough in the second half to keep warm. It's difficult amassing passing statistics when you're not passing.
In 1993, when the Cowboys won their second consecutive NFL championship, Dallas led at halftime in 14 of Aikman's 17 starts. He threw 68 fewer passes in the second half of those games than he did in the first. He passed for 1,921 yards and 12 touchdowns in the first halves and 1,179 yards and three TDs in the second.
From 1992 to '96 when the Cowboys won five straight division titles, Aikman threw 243 fewer passes in the second half of games than in the first. He passed for 8,864 yards and 51 touchdowns in the first halves but only 6,787 yards and 28 TDs in the second.
For the 1990s, Aikman threw 294 fewer passes in the second half than the first. He passed for 15,606 yards and 86 touchdowns in the first halves compared with 3,954 yards and 63 TDs in the second.
But yards and touchdowns never mattered to Aikman. Victories did. And that's where he stands alone in his peer group.
Aikman won more games in one decade (90) than any quarterback in NFL history. Yes, more than Young in the 1990s, Joe Montana in the 1980s and Terry Bradshaw in the 1970s. Aikman also won three Super Bowls. The only two quarterbacks who won more, Montana and Bradshaw, are enshrined in Canton.
So long story, Aikman would of thrown for big numbers if he played on an team that sucked. Also, your arguement that he was an system quaterback, people have been using that arguement against Emmitt Smith, saying that the only reason he beat out Payton was because of the O-line, and the passing game..which had Aikman as QB.
Go Raiders... 😐
Interesting article on Maurice Clarett. Amazing how far that guy has fallen. Dude was on top of the world just a few years ago.
Keeping it in the AFC...
JACKSONVILLE
I have the good fortune of being friends with a die-hard Jaguars fan, and he echoed the sentiments of their fan base by saying that Del Rio had a colossal mistake by not starting Garrard against the Pats in last year's playoffs. Along with Matt Schaub, they are the two best back-up QB's in the league.
As they have been since the Brunell glory days, I believe they are going to have trouble again moving the football. While no one can argue Leftwich's heart and ability to keep them in the game, they are simply going to have a ton of 3 and outs this year. With Jimmy Smith retired, their receiving corps consists of an ex-QB (Matt Jones), an Steeler bust (Troy Edwards), a guy with the dropsies (Reggie Williams), and a guy who couldn't crack the Raven starting line up (Randy Hymes). Tack on the legendary (seriously) Fred Taylor - who is running more of inside a shell of a RB - and this offense could get nasty. Rookie TE Mercedes Lewis will have to make an impact in a hurry.
That being said, their defense is very good. They are chock-full of no-name guys, but one guy who has already proven himself IMO is Rashean Mathis.
Prediction: 7-9
Hell, the fact that they have a guy named Jamaal Fudge on their roster is worth a victory or two.
Jacksonville
Strengths😮verall good team. I think Greg Jones will make more of an impact than Taylor. Matt Jones could have a chance of breaking out. I think it was a decent line. One of the best defensive lines in the league, decent LB core and an healthy SS should make the defense much better.
Weaknesses: Leftwich gets injured alot, depth is somewhat a concer in WR core, RB, and LB's. Other than that, I dont really see the Jaguars not doing well this year.
Prediction: 9-7 I think they will give a couple of tough games against the Colts.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Wow, thats nuts.Was he ever good?
he lead the Ohio State Buckeyes to a National title setting some freshman running records and this was after he graduated highschool early so he was even younger than a normal freshman. He was considered the top recruit coming out of high school that year. The kid had talent just no brain.
Jags,
well its pretty much a garuntee the starting RB and QB will be sitting out with injuries at some point, luckily greg jones is pretty good and gerard isnt horrible. Their offense just needs more consistancy and the WR's are really not good. Randy Hymes isnt very good especially if he wasnt beating out moore for a spot with the ravnes although clayton took over from both of them. Lewis and Jones have to really blossum this year.
Their schedule is iffy
they start the year getting hammered 4 games in a row, so they will have to be mentaly strong and not fall apart after that. They have a decent shot at then winning 5 in a row which could uplift their spirits, but if they drop even 2 of those they are worthless. After that they might win 2-3 more so i see 7-8 Wins as the cap here realisticly.
Originally posted by Smasandian
I agree. How many times have you seen an bad QB make bad QB decisions which cost the game? Heck, I hated watching Testeverde play for Dallas because every single time they need an TD, or just to run out the clock, he would throw an Inteception...but hey, he threw for gazillion yards, so he's good.Chris, I used Bledsoe as an example. He has the stats to get into the Hall Of Fame, but I asked you if he belongs. Simple question.
Another thing, "Consider these stats from the 11 playoff games over the 1992-95 seasons: 228-of-334 for 2,915 yards, with 22 touchdowns and eight interceptions. The completion rate (68 percent) and yards per game (265) are both well above his career regular-season averages.
The 10-1 record is pretty good, too" Is that considered good stats for playoff games?
Another thing, http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/halloffame/stories/020506cpaikmanfeat.4614c6c8.html
Little segment.
"But don't blame Aikman. Blame Cowboys coaches Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer. Blame Cowboys offensive play-callers Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese. They didn't allow Aikman any garbage stats.
Aikman was too efficient for his own good. His job was to get the Cowboys in front. When he did – and it was usually by halftime – the Cowboys stopped throwing.
"When we got leads," Turner said, "the run took over."
Counting the postseason, Aikman started 158 games for the Cowboys in the 1990s. The Cowboys led at halftime in 98 of them and found themselves tied on 10 other occasions.
Wonder why Aikman had so few come-from-behind victories? He was rarely behind.
Wonder why Aikman had so few 300-yard passing games in his career? He was usually done throwing by halftime.
In those 158 starts, he threw 10 passes or fewer in the second half of 36 games. There were 13 other second halves that he threw 10 times or fewer because of an injury or because his coaches opted to rest him in a blowout.
JOHN F. RHODES / DMN
Troy Aikman seldom put up big passing numbers because the Cowboys were so often ahead, they seldom needed him to. So in 31 percent of his starts in the 1990s, Aikman barely threw the ball enough in the second half to keep warm. It's difficult amassing passing statistics when you're not passing.In 1993, when the Cowboys won their second consecutive NFL championship, Dallas led at halftime in 14 of Aikman's 17 starts. He threw 68 fewer passes in the second half of those games than he did in the first. He passed for 1,921 yards and 12 touchdowns in the first halves and 1,179 yards and three TDs in the second.
From 1992 to '96 when the Cowboys won five straight division titles, Aikman threw 243 fewer passes in the second half of games than in the first. He passed for 8,864 yards and 51 touchdowns in the first halves but only 6,787 yards and 28 TDs in the second.
For the 1990s, Aikman threw 294 fewer passes in the second half than the first. He passed for 15,606 yards and 86 touchdowns in the first halves compared with 3,954 yards and 63 TDs in the second.
But yards and touchdowns never mattered to Aikman. Victories did. And that's where he stands alone in his peer group.
Aikman won more games in one decade (90) than any quarterback in NFL history. Yes, more than Young in the 1990s, Joe Montana in the 1980s and Terry Bradshaw in the 1970s. Aikman also won three Super Bowls. The only two quarterbacks who won more, Montana and Bradshaw, are enshrined in Canton.
So long story, Aikman would of thrown for big numbers if he played on an team that sucked. Also, your arguement that he was an system quaterback, people have been using that arguement against Emmitt Smith, saying that the only reason he beat out Payton was because of the O-line, and the passing game..which had Aikman as QB.
Thanks for proving my point about the unbelievable talent around him Like I said the 90 wins 3 titles was about 98 percent about the talent around him. System quaterback if he was on a bad team the numbers and wins would have been worse handing the ball of 30 times to emmit and throwing 15 passes is called System Quaterback.
By the way you say his numbers would have been better on a bad team explain his first 2 or 3 years yeah 😆 game set match point..
i think jacksonville is going to have a tough time staying above the .500 level this year. i think they are going to lose both games to the colts and lose one to either the titans or the texans. i am thinking 6-10 or 7-9. just good enough to miss the difference making wr in next years draft. that schedule is just murder.
Originally posted by chris_64256
Thanks for proving my point about the unbelievable talent around him Like I said the 90 wins 3 titles was about 98 percent about the talent around him. System quaterback if he was on a bad team the numbers and wins would have been worse handing the ball of 30 times to emmit and throwing 15 passes is called System Quaterback.By the way you say his numbers would have been better on a bad team explain his first 2 or 3 years yeah 😆 game set match point..
You mean when he was a rookie coming into a team that was horrendus? You going to expect any QB when they first come into the league with the worst team ever to have great numbers, unless he is Marino or Manning? But wait!!!! I never compared him to those guys.
Also, I didnt prove your point. The point I made is that he would of had big huge numbers but he never threw for 2 quarters of the game. He would of had big numbers if Emmitt Smith wasnt on his team.
Your point is that he only won because of his team and the numbers stats arent good enough to warrent an place in the Hall Of Fame, which he is, first ballot to boot. Heck, all those sport football writers and alumni are soooo wrong.
My point is that Aikman could have big numbers if he didnt have Emmitt Smith as his RB. It works both ways. A great QB can take away rushing yards from an RB, while a good RB can take away passing yards from an QB.
So in your ideas, who should be in the Hall Of Fame, what criteria's are they're? Is it solely numbers??
If it is, thats means lets induct Bledsoe and Testeverde.
Originally posted by Smasandian
You mean when he was a rookie coming into a team that was horrendus? You going to expect any QB when they first come into the league with the worst team ever to have great numbers, unless he is Marino or Manning? But wait!!!! I never compared him to those guys.Also, I didnt prove your point. The point I made is that he would of had big huge numbers but he never threw for 2 quarters of the game. He would of had big numbers if Emmitt Smith wasnt on his team.
Your point is that he only won because of his team and the numbers stats arent good enough to warrent an place in the Hall Of Fame, which he is, first ballot to boot. Heck, all those sport football writers and alumni are soooo wrong.
My point is that Aikman could have big numbers if he didnt have Emmitt Smith as his RB. It works both ways. A great QB can take away rushing yards from an RB, while a good RB can take away passing yards from an QB.
So in your ideas, who should be in the Hall Of Fame, what criteria's are they're? Is it solely numbers??
If it is, thats means lets induct Bledsoe and Testeverde.
Wow desperation what a sad thing..
Another rant so, "if he didnt have emmitt smith he would've had big numbers" 😱 😆 Yeah he also would not have had 3 titles and 90 wins without emmitt there goes the hall of fame😆 And how do you know he would've had big numbers figured it with your calculator 🤣 You have no point your just ranting..
So sports writers are the gold judging standard last time I checked woody paige and skip bayless vote for the hall 🙄 And what does that have to do with are debate
And I was not just talking about his rookie year but his first three and his last four considering 96 was when carolina beat them in the second round when quarterback Troy Aikman was intercepted by Pat Terrell in the last 4 minutes to seal the victory for Carolina 26-17. This would be the last time Aikman would advance beyond a wild-card playoff game in his career. Damn owned again right 😂 But hey if people want to reward the guy for a 5 year strecth thats fine with me He had a quick release great arm very accruate and had great team success.