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Smas, man, just give it up. The dude obviously has a grudge against the Cowboys and Steelers. He's probably a Redskins or Bengals fan - a.k.a. Browns fans dressed up in a costume.

Oh, and great argument about Big Ben not being a starter anywhere in the league. One sentence and I'm a believer.

I'm surprised you didn't throw out that 98.3 QB rating in 2 years.
Why didn't you use that 27-4 record as a starter, when Kordell's Steelers were arguably more talented?
What about the 34 TD/20 INT ratio?
What about the 64.7% completion, which is 12 points higher than Eli's from last year?
You DO know that running teams often have to have their QB's make 3rd down throws (when the other team's in pass coverage), right?
Ooh, I've got another basis for your point. I know you've got your head buried in stat books instead of watching actual game footage, but Big Ben did lead an early passing attack against undefeated Pats and Eagles in November '04 (stats show more overall running, but it was the early passing attack that put the games out of reach - just telling you because you just see stats).
I guess the only other thing that I could throw out for you is to name a few starting QB's we should roll out the red carpet to Canton for: Phillip Rivers, Aaron Brooks 😘, Jon Kitna, David Carr, Billy Volek, Alex Smith....on and on

*yawn*

I can't hear your arguments, man, 'cause I've got cateracts from the glare from a big f*ckin' Lombardi trophy that Roethlisberger won. Just go back to your Carson Palmer or Bernie Kosar or whoever it is that you want to have their baby and get some legit ammo besides saying the left tackle was an All-Pro when attacking proven winning QB's.

I promised one of the big boys today, so let's have it:

HOUSTON

Just kidding.

INDIANAPOLIS

Colts are Dungy-fied (which means in a stagnant void) heading into this season. No significant free agents and Edgerrin James has left. Sure, running backs are expendible, but we're talking about a player who was an intricate part in the passing attack. Whether it be picking up blitzes, rolling out for screens, or running play-action, it's going to take some time for that part of the offense to get continuity out of the gate. Look for them to struggle early, but hey, who am I kidding, that might work in their favor as they steamroll towards the playoffs.

Look for this to be the year where Reggie Wayne displaces Marvin Harrison as the #1 receiver.

Defense lost a few players, so it will be interesting to see if it loses a step. Oh, BTW, remember the year when the Marino-led Dolphins "finally" got a defense? I know everyone was raving about the Colts' Pony Curtain, but this ain't that. Close, but ESPN treated their lower-than-usual point allowance like a meteor had just collided into the sun sort of news. Therefore, they would be unstoppable on the way to Super Bowl XL.

Prediction: 12-4 incl. loss to Giants in opener 😱

If I were Dungy, I'd try to work that seeding so they could play the Broncos at home like in years past. Last year just didn't seem to work out that way.

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove
Go Raiders... 😐

Interesting article on Maurice Clarett. Amazing how far that guy has fallen. Dude was on top of the world just a few years ago.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2545078

Originally posted by botankus
Smas, man, just give it up. The dude obviously has a grudge against the Cowboys and Steelers. He's probably a Redskins or Bengals fan - a.k.a. Browns fans dressed up in a costume.

*yawn*

I can't hear your arguments, man, 'cause I've got cateracts from the glare from a big f*ckin' Lombardi trophy that Roethlisberger won. Just go back to your Carson Palmer or Bernie Kosar or whoever it is that you want to have their baby and get some legit ammo besides saying the left tackle was an All-Pro when attacking proven winning QB's.

I will, I will. Dont forgot that defense...you know the defense always scores more points than the offense.

Anyways back to business..

The Colts

Strengths: Offense...I think Addai will be a good back in the league. I heared he was doing very well in camp. Hopefully Freeney, Sanders and Cato June come back from injuries, considering thier the top players in that explosive, yet give up yards defense. They have Vinentari, which proves the whole if you get beat by the same team, take away thier kicker rule. The best Dline in the game. Overall, a very good team.

Weaknesses: If that defense doesnt take the usually step up, this team will make the playoffs and lose in the playoffs. RB situition is hurting and they didnt really fix the offensive line. But overall, very few weaknesses again.

Predicition: 12-4, with Superbowl birth. If not, the Colts are done.

Rhodes as supposedly been very good, and hes super excited to be the guy. I wouldnt be shocked if Addai never really takes over. Rhodes knows the blocking schemes and everything better and thats really really important to their success. Although niether RB did anything against the rams but niether had the carries to get anything going either. Rhodes got 10 yards on 4 carries Addai 3 yards on 3.

Colts D wasnt great giving up over 6 yards per carry to 3 different Rams each with at least 5 attempts.

You know what I liked from the game Vinatieri's 53 yard FG he made like it was an XP, hes never missed in RCA in his career and im just waiting for the moment this year that he pays uber dividends to them and another one where losing him leaves NE with that just kicked in the balls feeling.

13-3

True, I wouldnt be surpraised in Rhodes does well, but I always got that feeling that he wont be the main guy.

Was the Colts D fully stocked with thier regulars or was the D all the second team?

I wouldnt surpraised either if the Colts goes with Addai and Rhodes, more of an 2RB system like Denver and Dallas.

well the game was plenty of backups, but the first team did start minus injured people. I know it doesnt mean much but you still like to see them perform well even in pre season.

If Peyton shows up in the playoffs, this team could always be a Super Bowl favorite. As it is, the AFC is arguably weaker than the past couple years, and They'll likely have home field advantage again.

At least an AFC Title Game bid, and there's only 1 or 2 other teams I could see representing the AFC in the SB (Pittsburgh & Kansas City).

Indy is the vegas favorite for the Superbowl again this year. Seattle is the favorite to make it out of the NFC

Originally posted by botankus
Smas, man, just give it up. The dude obviously has a grudge against the Cowboys and Steelers. He's probably a Redskins or Bengals fan - a.k.a. Browns fans dressed up in a costume.

Oh, and great argument about Big Ben not being a starter anywhere in the league. One sentence and I'm a believer.

I'm surprised you didn't throw out that 98.3 QB rating in 2 years.
Why didn't you use that 27-4 record as a starter, when Kordell's Steelers were arguably more talented?
What about the 34 TD/20 INT ratio?
What about the 64.7% completion, which is 12 points higher than Eli's from last year?
You DO know that running teams often have to have their QB's make 3rd down throws (when the other team's in pass coverage), right?
Ooh, I've got another basis for your point. I know you've got your head buried in stat books instead of watching actual game footage, but Big Ben did lead an early passing attack against undefeated Pats and Eagles in November '04 (stats show more overall running, but it was the early passing attack that put the games out of reach - just telling you because you just see stats).
I guess the only other thing that I could throw out for you is to name a few starting QB's we should roll out the red carpet to Canton for: Phillip Rivers, Aaron Brooks 😘, Jon Kitna, David Carr, Billy Volek, Alex Smith....on and on

*yawn*

I can't hear your arguments, man, 'cause I've got cateracts from the glare from a big f*ckin' Lombardi trophy that Roethlisberger won. Just go back to your Carson Palmer or Bernie Kosar or whoever it is that you want to have their baby and get some legit ammo besides saying the left tackle was an All-Pro when attacking proven winning QB's.

Upset boyfriend right?

So your telling me Rothlisberger would have the success he has had with the steelers some where else interesting explain please.. Could he have led any other team to a title already since he so Dominant And come talk to me after this year when he dont have bettis and parker to carry 35 times a game when he actually has to make plays..Kordells steelers was more talented explain... You know if your going to bring random shit like this into a discussion with me bring the facts or you will get owned like that other kid..

Why did you bring up Phillip Rivers, Aaron Brooks 😘, Jon Kitna, David Carr, Billy Volek, Alex Smith....on and on? what do these guys have anything to do with the discussion I was having with whats his name? The discussion was Troy aikman was a system quaterback not this shit try to keep up kid and leave your obsession with bernie kosar and carson palmer to your self... by the way were the hell did that come from.

with the weakness of their division this year the colts could really do some damage during the regular season. the addition of vinatieri will help tremendously. when you look at their schedule they have a distinct shot at starting the season 5-0. i am sorry i do not think the gmen will be able to handle manning in the first game. washington is their first tough game and it is at home. if it comes down to a field goal i do not see vinatieri missing. looking at their schedule i only see two maybe three losses. this is the colts shot. like digi said with the afc being a little down this is the best chance for peyton to make it to the super bowl.

prediction: 14-2

Originally posted by chris_64256
Upset boyfriend right?

So your telling me Rothlisberger would have the success he has had with the steelers some where else interesting explain please.. Could he have led any other team to a title already since he so Dominant And come talk to me after this year when he dont have bettis and parker to carry 35 times a game when he actually has to make plays..Kordells steelers was more talented explain... You know if your going to bring random shit like this into a discussion with me bring the facts or you will get owned like that other kid..

Why did you bring up Phillip Rivers, Aaron Brooks 😘, Jon Kitna, David Carr, Billy Volek, Alex Smith....on and on? what do these guys have anything to do with the discussion I was having with whats his name? The discussion was Troy aikman was a system quaterback not this shit try to keep up kid and leave your obsession with bernie kosar and carson palmer to your self... by the way were the hell did that come from.

steelers still have parker, and you shouldnt type angry its not as legible. And why do you feel the need to call everyone kid? If i can do math it seems your 24 gramps.

Originally posted by forumcrew
steelers still have parker, and you shouldnt type angry its not as legible. And why do you feel the need to call everyone kid? If i can do math it seems your 24 gramps.

Well considering the comonsense around here pretty much makes me think its nothing but kids I try to have a debate all I gets shit like this..

i was never really in your guys debate, but reading some of your posts it just sorta seems like your trying to demean others and be a smartass.

and bettis was not that usefull last year he was a figure head not a guy bringing much to the table. 360 some yards, 3.3 a carry other than falling his big butt into the endzone he didnt serve a purpose. Between Staley and Hayes they can account for what bettis did, Parker carried the load there.

And since you seem to want more involved. 35 carries a game? Parker and Bettis had 356 carries between them that is 22.8 carries a game. If your gonna use statistics in an argument please please please dont just make them up out of thin air. That is something a "kid" would do gramps.

Originally posted by forumcrew
i was never really in your guys debate, but reading some of your posts it just sorta seems like your trying to demean others and be a smartass.

and bettis was not that usefull last year he was a figure head not a guy bringing much to the table. 360 some yards, 3.3 a carry other than falling his big butt into the endzone he didnt serve a purpose. Between Staley and Hayes they can account for what bettis did, Parker carried the load there.

And since you seem to want more involved. 35 carries a game? Parker and Bettis had 356 carries between them that is 22.8 carries a game. If your gonna use statistics in an argument please please please dont just make them up out of thin air. That is something a "kid" would do gramps.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit2005.htm 549 carries on the year which figures 34.8 a game to lead the league you just got owned 😂 Yeah and bettis had 9 tds I guess that doesnt mean much right? So next time have your facts straight to avoid this again. 😱

AHAHAHAHA.....your an idiot dude.

This is you.
"Could he have led any other team to a title already since he so Dominant And come talk to me after this year when he dont have bettis and parker to carry 35 times a game when he actually has to make plays" KEYWORD BETTIS AND PARKER 35 TIMES A GAME

This is ForumCrew
"And since you seem to want more involved. 35 carries a game? Parker and Bettis had 356 carries between them that is 22.8 carries a game" KEYWORD BETTIS AND PARKER 22.8 carries a game"

This is you
"549 carries on the year which figures 34.8 a game to lead the league you just got owned"

Well, I checked the stats you used from the website you had and I noticed something
Those 549 carries were team carries, NOT BETTIS AND PARKER COMBINED. So your wrong, BETTIS AND PARKER CARRIED THE BALL 365 times.

And please dont say that the other RB's helped Big Ben out. Haynes, Herron and Krieder are not the RB's that are soo special to carry a team.
But who cares, I guess you didnt notice the playoffs this year, on where Big Ben consistently made key throws to wins games and get first downs.

Back for more I see. Is that not a 35 a game average for the steelers?

And by the way 35 carries a game when you average 4.1 yards a attempt will help any team dumbass especially when you quaterback makes only 268 pass attempts that around 16 or so a game..

Verron hayes had 274 with 3 tds thats pretty good for 3 back
Dan krieder is one of the best blocking fullbacks in the game one of the reasons they have a ridiculous 34.8 cary a game average
Herron did nothing and thats real sad bringing a 4 running back like herron to try and make some stupid claim.

parker averaged 4.7 yards per carry. that is nothing to sneeze at. parker by the stats is a better running back than bettis since the 2001 season. that season bettis averaged 4.8 yards per carry. he never came near that number again. the steelers will miss bettis but not as a producer. he will be missed in the lockerroom. why no love or respect for parker?

Originally posted by chris_64256
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit2005.htm 549 carries on the year which figures 34.8 a game to lead the league you just got owned 😂 Yeah and bettis had 9 tds I guess that doesnt mean much right? So next time have your facts straight to avoid this again. 😱

I hope maybe you will leave in shame now. I mean you wanted to bring me into this and now look what you did to your self. I love that I was owned and you had no clue you were just making an ass out of yourself because you couldnt read.

Let me break it down for you:
110 Carries for the bus
255 carries for Parker

255 + 110 = 365

365/16 (thats the number of games in a season if you didnt know) = 22.81 carries per game.

Yes 9 TD's are great. But again he wasnt doing anything a lot of people couldnt do. He was being a "System RB" lol. Yes he managed to fall into the endzone 9 times woohoo. 3 of them were against detroit mind you. He also had a run of 6 games scoring only once. And in this span they played 4 divisional games and a top contendor in Indy. He was not that usefull last year.

Originally posted by chris_64256
Back for more I see. Is that not a 35 a game average for the steelers?

And by the way 35 carries a game when you average 4.1 yards a attempt will help any team dumbass especially when you quaterback makes only 268 pass attempts that around 16 or so a game..

first your point was always that parker and the bus did that so they were losing huge production when in fact
parker and the bus were only about like 60some % of the attempts. and 4.1 a carry? It will be better without the bus. He did a grand 3.3 Staley and haynes did better

one other thing

Originally posted by chris_64256
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit2005.htm 549 carries on the year which figures 34.8 a game to lead the league

yea but only 483 were by the RB's counting in the few from the FB spot also.

I have 2 ideas.

1 end this entire argument at this. No more posts about it just let it die and then maybe people will still be able to have further discussions with you in the future, that is unless you make up stats again.

2 if you cant do #1 just avoid this thread.

P.S.

Originally posted by chris_64256
you just got owned 😂

back at ya hotshot

Wow thats the best you got?

Knowing you cant be fully understood on the net meaning the steelers rans the 34.8 almost 35 a game thats proven that was my point. bettis is gone meaning no more short yardage they brought duce in but he has been proven to have durablity problems. And I hate to brust your bubble but there is not alot of backs that can score 9 tds and pickup those 3rd and 4th down yardages or else hayes would had had 9 tds.

Then you bring up the playoffs since you morons in here say that I'm just a stat guy and dont watch games 😆 How many 3rd and 4th down pickups did bettis get for them about 6 or 7 partner you know its not all about stats 😆

I doubt you people will debate with me especially after the beatdown you guys have received the only people taking this personal are you its a debate somebodys got to lose its not the end of the world.. p.s. you just been owned