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"Yes 9 TD's are great. But again he wasnt doing anything a lot of people couldnt do. He was being a "System RB" lol. Yes he managed to fall into the endzone 9 times woohoo. 3 of them were against detroit mind you. He also had a run of 6 games scoring only once. And in this span they played 4 divisional games and a top contendor in Indy. He was not that usefull last year." maybe after this you will learn not to mess with me bud.
2005 rushing stats:

Tiki barber ATT 357 | YDS 1,860 | TD 9
Thomas jones ATT 314 | YDS 1,335 | TD 9
Lamont jordan ATT 272 | YDS 1,025 | TD 9
Steven Jackson ATT 254 | YDS 1,046 | TD 8
Carnell Williams ATT 290 | YDS 1,178 | TD 6
Willis McGahee ATT 325 | YDS 1,247 | TD 5
Willie Parker ATT 255 | YDS 1,202 | TD 4
Warrick Dunn ATT 280 | YDS 1,416 | TD 3
Ronnie Brown ATT 207 | YDS 907 | TD 4
Jamal Lewis ATT 269 | YDS 906 | TD 3
Fred Taylor ATT 194 | YDS 787 | TD 3
Yeah its easy to score 9 tds in the NFL now this is weird only 9 backs rushed over 9 tds last year: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=td&league=nfl&season=2&year=2005

And you might have seen or proably not except for fred taylor and ronnie brown these guys touched the balled at least 250+ and were all starters.

Bettis 110 carries 368yards 9 tds yeah thats pretty good short yardage running 😂 only Tiki barber, thomas jones and lamont jordan had 9 tds with bettis.

So your point is that the Steelers would of won with QB that was less talented than Big Ben?

If not, what the hell is your point?

man you just dont get it. When a guys only job is to run at the goal line 9 TD's is not that impressive. Yes he contributed, no his contributions will not be heavily missed. Your original point was the loss of his running will be big because of the heavy reliance on running the ball. It simply will not be that big. He was going heavily downhill and was only getting 3.3 yards a carry. You cant ocmpare him to tiki barber a guy who moves the ball all day and then get taken out at the goal line. Bettis happened to be the guy in that system that got the ball in that situation. If you put a guy in front of the endzone every game and thats all he ever has to expell energy doing, its not a great accomplishment is the overall point. Also in the games where it mattered most he was abscent as far as helping them. Thier 4 losses in which he played in he was a waste of space pretty much. 20 attempts for 26 yards scoring once. THeir games when he was using the system to score his easy TD's they were winning easy, he didnt have a large impact on the team other than his personality and experience in the looker room.

I dont think he has much of a point. And im not even gonna discuss this with him anymore because he just has no interest in what we are saying. Its just not worth it.

Cowboys fans have to be happy with the performance of your backup QB. If he can keep that up throughout the pre-season I would be a little higher on the cowboys, as one of my big concerns is that bledsoe wont be protected well enough or will just naturally deteriorate and wont be healthy all year.

Don't worry, he is an idiot. 1, he thinks Bobby Abreu is really good in the MLB thread. Right there tell you how smart he is. He also thinks Abreu is the reason the Yankees went on that little run.

Is this agruement about if the Steelers had another QB they still would have won, or if Rothlesberger went to a different team would he still have won?

Romo did look pretty good but its preseason, so I dont know.

I always felt that Bledsoe has been a pretty tough guy. He doesnt get injured that much.
The main problem I see is the offensive line, if they can keep up all year, the Cowboys will be damn good.

They have the depth at RB, OL, DL, LB, and the secondary, with WR and QB the only minor worry.

The original arguement was that Troy Aikman shouldnt be in the Hall Of Fame because he was a systems QB and the only reason he won is because of the team he had. It somewhat migrated to all "system" QB's.

Originally posted by forumcrew
man you just dont get it. When a guys only job is to run at the goal line 9 TD's is not that impressive. Yes he contributed, no his contributions will not be heavily missed. Your original point was the loss of his running will be big because of the heavy reliance on running the ball. It simply will not be that big. He was going heavily downhill and was only getting 3.3 yards a carry. You cant ocmpare him to tiki barber a guy who moves the ball all day and then get taken out at the goal line. Bettis happened to be the guy in that system that got the ball in that situation. If you put a guy in front of the endzone every game and thats all he ever has to expell energy doing, its not a great accomplishment is the overall point. Also in the games where it mattered most he was abscent as far as helping them. Thier 4 losses in which he played in he was a waste of space pretty much. 20 attempts for 26 yards scoring once. THeir games when he was using the system to score his easy TD's they were winning easy, he didnt have a large impact on the team other than his personality and experience in the looker room.

I dont think he has much of a point. And im not even gonna discuss this with him anymore because he just has no interest in what we are saying. Its just not worth it.

Cowboys fans have to be happy with the performance of your backup QB. If he can keep that up throughout the pre-season I would be a little higher on the cowboys, as one of my big concerns is that bledsoe wont be protected well enough or will just naturally deteriorate and wont be healthy all year.

dude man just ignore him. the boys are in a good position if julius jones stays healthy and if they get lucky a few times. the boys are unfortunately in the wrong division. their schedule will be their worst enemy this year. and unfortunately this is the tuna's last year i think. without the tuna no hope of to being well behaved two years in a row. they make the playoffs this year but they do not make it to the playoffs. of course this is just my opinion i could be wrong.

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
dude man just ignore him. the boys are in a good position if julius jones stays healthy and if they get lucky a few times. the boys are unfortunately in the wrong division. their schedule will be their worst enemy this year. and unfortunately this is the tuna's last year i think. without the tuna no hope of to being well behaved two years in a row. they make the playoffs this year but they do not make it to the playoffs. of course this is just my opinion i could be wrong.

Sorry I disagree.

Marion Barber is an adequete replacement over Juluis Jones, in fact, they're both going to get equal chances to be starter. The whole 2 RB thing.

This isnt Tuna's last year because he signed an extension and the only way he's going is they win the Superbowl, or the team is like New Orleans Saints bad.

Lastly, if Parcells leaves, he will be leaving a very good young experienced team with guys like Newman, Williams, Bradie James, Whitten and the other draft picks forming a very strong nucleas. The only problem I can see from an disclipine issue is Terrell Owens, but I dont think that will the case.

if the tuna stays he will surprise, however this is not the shit my pants kinda surprise because you are right. they are an extremely young talented team with a bright future. the only problem is that so are the giants, skins and panthers.

this is great. the nfc has finally built itself back up and there is a logjam at the top. now just imagine if my falcons could just get a wr that was decent and then add that to the fire. sorry did i say that out loud? apologies for the aside.

parcells has not always been known to be rational signing an extension then leaving the next year is not above him. i agree if barber and jones are good then they will be a very good team, and could possibly be playing in late january or even early february.

either way they are set for a bright future. this is true. plain and simple. the rest of what you said is true enough. however, if parcells leaves then so to must TO.

I dont know if Parcells leaves that TO will have to leave.
What's different with this situiation than before is that TO has the contract he wants (non incentive laden) and if continues to be himself and complains, nonbody will ever want him for the money he is getting paid now. Also, he is getting up there in age so the next two years can possibly be his last.

I just think Dallas has really good young guys in key positions aside from QB, which might hurt them later on.
Thier defensive line will be rock solid with Canty and Spears and Pepper Johnson is looking to be an huge assset.
Thier LB core is going to be rock solid with Ware, James, Carpenter and Ayodale, not to mention Burnett to back them up.
Thier secondary is looking strong with Newman, who I think will be top 3 best CB's, and Roy Williams.

Offense, they have Barber and Jones. Whitten and Fasano for TE. Some youngs guys on Offensive line like Pettiti. They could get a tad younger in WR dept. I'm just worred later on in the road about thier QB and WR situition.

Originally posted by forumcrew
man you just dont get it. When a guys only job is to run at the goal line 9 TD's is not that impressive. Yes he contributed, no his contributions will not be heavily missed. Your original point was the loss of his running will be big because of the heavy reliance on running the ball. It simply will not be that big. He was going heavily downhill and was only getting 3.3 yards a carry. You cant ocmpare him to tiki barber a guy who moves the ball all day and then get taken out at the goal line. Bettis happened to be the guy in that system that got the ball in that situation. If you put a guy in front of the endzone every game and thats all he ever has to expell energy doing, its not a great accomplishment is the overall point. Also in the games where it mattered most he was abscent as far as helping them. Thier 4 losses in which he played in he was a waste of space pretty much. 20 attempts for 26 yards scoring once. THeir games when he was using the system to score his easy TD's they were winning easy, he didnt have a large impact on the team other than his personality and experience in the looker room.

I dont think he has much of a point. And im not even gonna discuss this with him anymore because he just has no interest in what we are saying. Its just not worth it.

Cowboys fans have to be happy with the performance of your backup QB. If he can keep that up throughout the pre-season I would be a little higher on the cowboys, as one of my big concerns is that bledsoe wont be protected well enough or will just naturally deteriorate and wont be healthy all year.

First off bud you proclaimed 9 tds is not a big deal that anyone can put up 9 tds did you not? I just proved that to be false through get this REAL INFO and a link to that info believe it or not 9tds is a tremendous contribution to a team especially one that runs the ball 34 to 35 times you need a guy who can hammer it in from two three out on the goal line it takes a tremendous load and wear and tear off willie parker or a featured back kinda like the giants with Tiki they have a goal line specialist named brandon jacobs who had 7 tds.. but you knew that right
Best thing you guys can do is ignore me alot less imbarassement for you all..

Originally posted by DanZeke25
Don't worry, he is an idiot. 1, he thinks Bobby Abreu is really good in the MLB thread. Right there tell you how smart he is. He also thinks Abreu is the reason the Yankees went on that little run.

Is this agruement about if the Steelers had another QB they still would have won, or if Rothlesberger went to a different team would he still have won?

Yeah bobby abreu is a bum 302. career averge 412. onbase percentage 508. slugging theres only too other people actively playing who has a 400 onbase and over 500. slugging Albert pujols and todd helton.. guys got a7 yr streak of 20 homeruns and 20 stolen bases not to many people that can do that. guys third in the league in onbase this year and after 6 more walks will have a span of 8 straight years of over 100+ walks. and won a gold glove last year.. But he sucks cause you quote " seen him pay everyday and he sucks" great knowledge the only idiot in here is you. By the way wrong thread to attack me in baseball.

And stay out of this debate unless you read the whole thing. Go lite a few more candals to your bobby abreu hate obsession altar..

Originally posted by BuzzKiller
their schedule will be their worst enemy this year.

oh yea the NFC is really gaining some power especially the East

everyone be carefull to also not cause "imbarassement" to yourself.

My favorite team is still the Broncos...they are my home team after all...

Originally posted by chris_64256
Verron hayes had 274 with 3 tds thats pretty good for 3 back

Point is, by including Verron in your argument against Ben, you proved you are just spouting off stats instead of real-life game facts.

Oh, and I didn't butt in because you specifically compared Aikman to Big Ben. We haven't had a troll in the NFL forum in a while, have we? Gotta love those persistent, "fact"-spewing ones. He'll never quit, just like the top trolls on KMC.

p.s. (and directed to Smas, forum, and anyone else): I got Verron Haynes' autograph a week before Super Bowl XL!

Originally posted by forumcrew
oh yea the NFC is really gaining some power especially the East

everyone be carefull to also not cause "imbarassement" to yourself.

You already have its careful not "carefull"
Bad news for the redskins clinton portis dislocates shoulder in Redskins' loss to Bengals.. ouch.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=260813004

Back to the real talk:

NEW ORLEANS

Couldn't wait to discuss this one since I watched the Titans/Saints game the other day. My friend came over and said "Reggie Bush is the real deal" about 20 times in a row. Kinda sounded like our friend chris harping on Aikman constantly. But I digress, for Bush not only played like Reggie Bush, he played like Jerome Bettis for a while as he bowled over Pac Man Jones.

Let's get into something that has always been their only strength: Special Teams! With Carney and Michael Lewis (and maybe Bush), look for some exciting plays this year.

And now let's get into something that has always been their weakness: Everything else. I've always liked McKenzie, even before he separated from his twin in Green Bay. Aside from The Fresh Prince and Stoutmire, not too many names on defense. Look for them to struggle again. For crying out loud, Drew Bennett burned them on a bomb the other day (he dropped the ball, though)!

Offense should improve, question marks exist at tight end and the O-Line (2 starters left). Meh, I'll give them a prediction of 6 wins this year 'cause I'm a nice guy.

Prediction: 6-10

Originally posted by botankus
I saw every Steeler play last year and don't need stats to stake claim to my arguments. About 80% of Verron "HAYNES"' carries were in the 4th quarter with a big-ass lead, where any coach in the NFL would be an idiot to be throwing the ball. In the Cleveland 41-0 schlacking, he ran the ball 15 straight plays (even converting third downs) when the game was out of reach and Ben quit throwing, just like Manning would have been doing. Herron's not a factor, as they will run with Humes this year.

Point is, by including Verron in your argument against Ben, you proved you are just spouting off stats instead of real-life game facts.

Oh, and I didn't butt in because you specifically compared Aikman to Big Ben. We haven't had a troll in the NFL forum in a while, have we? Gotta love those persistent, "fact"-spewing ones. He'll never quit, just like the top trolls on KMC.

p.s. (and directed to Smas, forum, and anyone else): I got Verron Haynes' autograph a week before Super Bowl XL!

I said that was good for 3 or 4 string back learn to read its fundamental..

Troll is someone who goes off half cocked running off at the mouth about stats and documented facts not being important but there opinon is kinda like you who proclaimed the bengals going 0-16 or throwing out basic knowledge and links because you seen every steeler game and play.

And my comparison to Aikman and ben is so out in left field they both average about the same amount attempts between 16 to 18 with a running game in the 30's as far as attempts and had supreme talent around them. Only mistake I made was Aikman in the superbowl came with his a game unlike Ben Roethlisberger who had completed just 9 of 21 passes and threw two interceptions and had one rushing touchdown; his passer rating of 22.6 was the lowest in Super Bowl history by a winning. He should get down on his knees and thank willie parker and antawn randle el.. and the officals..

Originally posted by botankus
Back to the real talk:

[b]NEW ORLEANS

Couldn't wait to discuss this one since I watched the Titans/Saints game the other day. My friend came over and said "Reggie Bush is the real deal" about 20 times in a row. Kinda sounded like our friend chris harping on Aikman constantly. But I digress, for Bush not only played like Reggie Bush, he played like Jerome Bettis for a while as he bowled over Pac Man Jones.

Let's get into something that has always been their only strength: Special Teams! With Carney and Michael Lewis (and maybe Bush), look for some exciting plays this year.

And now let's get into something that has always been their weakness: Everything else. I've always liked McKenzie, even before he separated from his twin in Green Bay. Aside from The Fresh Prince and Stoutmire, not too many names on defense. Look for them to struggle again. For crying out loud, Drew Bennett burned them on a bomb the other day (he dropped the ball, though)!

Offense should improve, question marks exist at tight end and the O-Line (2 starters left). Meh, I'll give them a prediction of 6 wins this year 'cause I'm a nice guy.

Prediction: 6-10 [/B]

Bowled over pac man 😆 bush got knocked back 5 yards on the hit while pac stood his ground then went and talked shit to him drawing a 10 yard penalty Eddie george then went off saying bush got bad end on that saying pac is a bulldog. But bush did make a hell of a run that 28 yarder looked pretty damn good to me..

Originally posted by chris_64256
I said that was good for 3 or 4 string back learn to read its fundamental..

Troll is someone who goes off half cocked running off at the mouth about stats and documented facts not being important but there opinon is kinda like you who proclaimed the bengals going 0-16 or throwing out basic knowledge and links because you seen every steeler game and play.

And my comparison to Aikman and ben is so out in left field they both average about the same amount attempts between 16 to 18 with a running game in the 30's as far as attempts and had supreme talent around them. Only mistake I made was Aikman in the superbowl came with his a game unlike Ben Roethlisberger who had completed just 9 of 21 passes and threw two interceptions and had one rushing touchdown; his passer rating of 22.6 was the lowest in Super Bowl history by a winning. He should get down on his knees and thank willie parker and antawn randle el.. and the officials..

Originally posted by botankus

p.s. (and directed to Smas, forum, and anyone else): I got Verron Haynes' autograph a week before Super Bowl XL!

Do you think you can get Roy Williams signed jersey? Please? You live in America, so it shouldnt be hard.

New Orleans.....

Strengths: Bush and Duce will make a very fine tandem. Brees will obviously be an upgrade over Brooks, but hopefully the season is nice to him and his shoulder.WR;s are pretty decent too. DE's are good. Good thing though, Coach Payton is a genuis when it comes to calling offensive plays and producing QB's

Weaknesses: Defense has been upgraded a tad, but not too much and will be their downfall. Aside from DE's and McKenzie, nobody really stands out. It's going to be a long season for the Saints if the offense falters at all.

Prediction: ummm toughie....5-11. Payton will have tough year, and if offense sucks, can I see him being fired after next season?