DE Luke versus Mace Windu

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
So Yoda is stronger then DN Luke? Good job proving that load of bull. The quote could easily have mean that Yoda was the strongest foe the Darkside had ever know not by his own strength, but by the strength of the hundreds of students he trained. You don't have to powerful to be someone's strongest foe.

Good job ignoring that's before Luke is even born. And yes, Yoda isn't the strongest enemy the darkside has ever had in a direct reference to combat with the dark side, when the term is something along the lines of "The fiercest, strongest, most implacable foe.'

Yoda was the strongest enemy the darkside had ever known up until his death. Nobody is disputing that.. But it's not "EVER".. 900 years of being unrivaled sounds right, but then Luke came along.

Up until that point, the ever applied

Originally posted by tdtd
I have always found the Jedi ideals weak, and pretty much a crutch on the Jedi because they hold them back, without being able to reach their potential. Yoda being as powerful as he was with all of these constraints speaks volumes about his power. I'm not saying he's stronger than Kun, because he's not. But as we recall, the new Jedi Ideals started by Luke seem to be the best ones. There's no light side, there's no dark side, blah blah blah, no constraints...

If the Jedi are so weak why did they ALWAYS win in the end?

There's so damn many of them?
I think this description of the dark side sums it up: "Quicker, more seductive."
The dark's a quicker means to pwoer than the light, but the light's where the true power lies

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
If the Jedi are so weak why did they ALWAYS win in the end?

That can't be a serious question.. Really... Welcome to the wonderful world of Science fiction/fantasy, where the good guys always win...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
There's so damn many of them?
I think this description of the dark side sums it up: "Quicker, more seductive."
The dark's a quicker means to pwoer than the light, but the light's where the true power lies

Originally posted by Lightsnake
There's so damn many of them?
I think this description of the dark side sums it up: "Quicker, more seductive."
The dark's a quicker means to pwoer than the light, but the light's where the true power lies

There is no gray area.. There was a myth about Shadow Jedi, that use both sides of the force depending on their situation, but I think that's just a myth.

Originally posted by tdtd
There is no gray area.. There was a myth about Shadow Jedi, that use both sides of the force depending on their situation, but I think that's just a myth.

Ahh ok

It's arguable that people like Jolee or Qui-Gon was a bit "Gray Jedi"-ish. But he was pure good.

Actually they hammered out that Grey philosophy stuff in DN, pretty much decided how useless it really is

I always found the Grey idea cooler than jusy Dark or Light.

The Shadow concept combines the light and the dark side, I would think it is superior to just the dark side or just the light side.

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
I always found the Grey idea cooler than jusy Dark or Light.

I found it irredeemably stupid.

I don't know, the ability to use both the best of the light and dark sides seems superior to anything else.

Originally posted by tdtd
The Shadow concept combines the light and the dark side, I would think it is superior to just the dark side or just the light side.

Wrong, true power is only obtained by following a set path. Show a grey jedi that can defeat Yoda or Sidious.

As "Jonathan Mark" says, the new Jedi Order such as Kyp, and Luke. Therefore, it isn't wrong, considering they both know the dark side.

Originally posted by tdtd
As "Jonathan Mark" says, the new Jedi Order such as Kyp, and Luke. Therefore, it isn't wrong, considering they both know the dark side.

Nope, they follow the light. DN makes this clear.

No meant that NJO they followed the Grey Jedi way... then they decided to go full light by DN.