DE Luke versus Mace Windu

Started by Great Vengeance9 pages
Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
No meant that NJO they followed the Grey Jedi way... then they decided to go full light by DN.

Not really, they were still on the light. A grey jedi is equally light and dark...Luke just used a couple DS powers every once and a while. He was still the good guy through and through.

Have you read the NJO series? Luke himself wasn't very dark, but his Jedi? Pfft. Or rather, a line from Jedi Academy on their philosophy:

''No Force power is inherently light or dark; it's how they're used.''

I'm not necessarily ago for the Grey philosophy, but more for the removal of the stupid restrictions the old Jedi had. No love and all that bullshit... I mean really if you look at the big picture it certainly didn't help. I think Jolee pointed out the crux of the problem pretty well.

Originally posted by Faunus
Have you read the NJO series? Luke himself wasn't very dark, but his Jedi? Pfft. Or rather, a line from Jedi Academy on their philosophy:

''No Force power is inherently light or dark; it's how they're used.''

Did Lukes jedi commit any DS acts at all? Using DS powers every now and then doesnt make you dark.

Luke got rid of that completely

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
I'm not necessarily ago for the Grey philosophy, but more for the removal of the stupid restrictions the old Jedi had. No love and all that bullshit... I mean really if you look at the big picture it certainly didn't help. I think Jolee pointed out the crux of the problem pretty well.

Removing the restrictions is fine, as long as you can handle staying true to the path of the light. PT jedi had the restrictions, because then its easier to stay on the light. Love complicates things, it gives you a reason to turn dark...case in point: Vader.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Removing the restrictions is fine, as long as you can handle staying true to the path of the light. PT jedi had the restrictions, because then its easier to stay on the light. Love complicates things, it gives you a reason to turn dark...case in point: Vader.

Yes but if Anakin had been able to confide with Yoda about his relationship without the fear of being expelled from the Jedi order... what might have happened differently?

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
Yes but if Anakin had been able to confide with Yoda about his relationship without the fear of being expelled from the Jedi order... what might have happened differently?

Perhaps nothing, really. It wasnt pressure that got Anakin to turn, it was fear of Padmes death. Now what might of happened differently if Anakin never got in a relationship in the first place?

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Perhaps nothing, really. It wasnt pressure that got Anakin to turn, it was fear of Padmes death. Now what might of happened differently if Anakin never got in a relationship in the first place?

Nothing, but then Lucas' goal it seemed was only to portray the negatives of relationships...

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
Nothing, but then Lucas' goal it seemed was only to portray the negatives of relationships...

Your saying Anakin would of turned dark anyways without Padmes influence? 🤨

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Your saying Anakin would of turned dark anyways without Padmes influence? 🤨

No you misunderstood me. I said that nothing would have happened period.

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
No you misunderstood me. I said that nothing would have happened period.

Ah. Yes I agree.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Did Lukes jedi commit any DS acts at all? Using DS powers every now and then doesnt make you dark.

Jaina went all badass on everyone after Anakin's death, trying to fry Vong with lightning and whatnot. Jacen, though, nearly killed Vergere with a blast of lightning in Traitor, and in the DN series fries an old lady's brain and knocks her into a comatose, wipes his own ten year-old cousin's memory, and tricks Luke and Mara into believing they were both done with good intentions, outright lying about what he wiped from Ben's mind. Saba goes and blows up a ship with her own people in it in her haste to slaughter the Vong, too. So yes, Luke's Jedi are okay with the Dark Side.

Well, Jacen himself might fall to the Dark Side.

I don't even consider Jacen gray at this point. He's a Dark Jedi now as far as I am concerned. I think if Luke really knew what he has done I think he would certainly hesitate to make him a Master anytime soon, even if he is more then strong enough to be one.

I certainly thought that the grey was stronger then the Light, but then I thought about how Luke doesn't seem to lose any power when he goes back to the light after he was grey. And even by the end of DN, many of the Jedi still seemed grey to me, others like Jacen Dark, and only a few actually seemed to come with Luke back fully to the light.

LUKE

Rumors persist Jacen becomes Lumiya's apprentice

How powerful is Jacen now, anyways?

Probably really powerful.

Still, though...it's about time SOMEONE dealt with Ta'a Chume

Mace will be PWND