How was Maul better than Kenobi? As a Padawan, he had been on par with Maul the entire fight and at the end he began to overpower him. He showed that by slicing Maul's Lightsaber in half. Maul got angry and force pushed Kenobi. Kenobi wasn't exactly outmaneuvered when it came to Lightsaber dueling.
"They will be no match for you."
Obi-Wan won fair and square but had luck? What the f**k?
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Maul kicked Kenobi aside to fight Qui Gon early on. He outclassed both at the same time. When it came down to things, Kenobi was left hanging in a pit. That's how.
Kenobi had slashed Mauls Lightsaber in half and was pushing his offensive to hell. Then Maul decided he wasl osing so he would force push Kenobi into the shaft for a quick kill. But that didn't happen. Kenobi finished the job and killed Maul.
Done and Done.
everyone seems to underestimate maul. he a pure fighter, his goal was to be the best duelist in the galaxy, and he was good enough to hold on against qui gon and obi wan for a time, then isolate and defeat qui gon, then out duel obi wan. maul is a beast. dooku however was the second best duelist in the jedi order, considerably better than anyone, other than anakin mace and yoda. dooku also had the goal of being the best duelist in the galaxy and trained extencively in saber to saber combat. his force powers would be above anything maul could handle, and i believe hed out duel maul, but with some difficulty. especially considering mauls athletic style and dookus age.
Originally posted by Decay
everyone seems to underestimate maul. he a pure fighter, his goal was to be the best duelist in the galaxy, and he was good enough to hold on against qui gon and obi wan for a time, then isolate and defeat qui gon, then out duel obi wan. maul is a beast. dooku however was the second best duelist in the jedi order, considerably better than anyone, other than anakin mace and yoda. dooku also had the goal of being the best duelist in the galaxy and trained extencively in saber to saber combat. his force powers would be above anything maul could handle, and i believe hed out duel maul, but with some difficulty. especially considering mauls athletic style and dookus age.
Damnit, dude!
He didn't outduel Kenobi! He had just got his Saber cut in half and was losing the Lightsaber battle. That is why he had to force push Kenobi over the edge.
Damnit, people . . .
Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Dude did we watch the same movie? He was outclassing Obi-Wan as badly as Dooku outclassed Anakin in ROTS. Anybody apart from you can see that. Do you seriously think that Kenobi would be able to defeat someone who had quite easily outdueled his master, who was clearly a better duelist then Obi-Wan.
Are you retarded? Go read the databank! After Kenobi starts taking the offensive role in the fight and cleaves his saber in two, Maul FORCE PUSHES Kenobi into the shaft. Maul did not outclass Kenobi or he would have lived.
It seems that you are basing everything you say off of the script and star wars databank. That's complete bs. You clearly are not able to grasp the concept of luck. Maul HAD defeated him. He was just being cocky and was taunting Obi-Wan. He had displayed superior dueling skills by firstly easily fending odd both Jinn and Kenobi's attacks, and then by quite easily defeating Jinn.
You're basing everything off of the star wars databank and the final movie script which are not 100% canon, accurate or genuine. And who says there is no room for opinions in debates. It is pretty obvious that Maul outdueled him and if I remember correctly Nick Gillard said something along those lines.
Originally posted by BLAK FOX
You're basing everything off of the star wars databank and the final movie script which are not 100% canon, accurate or genuine. And who says there is no room for opinions in debates. It is pretty obvious that Maul outdueled him and if I remember correctly Nick Gillard said something along those lines.
No, he didn't.
Where's your evidence, buddy? I saw what happened on that movie. Maul was being pushed back and Kenobi had just sliced his Lightsaber so Maul decided he wasn't going to lose and he pushed Kenobi into the shaft using the force, which was his greatest mistake.
Originally posted by Antediluvian
No, he didn't.Maul pushed Kenobi into the shaft using the force, which was his greatest mistake.
His greatest mistake was not finishing him off once Obi was in the shaft and instead taunting him.
Originally posted by Antediluvian
No, he didn't.
I can't give a direct quote but I definitely remember him saying something along those lines.
Originally posted by Antediluvian
Where's your evidence, buddy? I saw what happened on that movie.
Well this is just a difference in opinion but if I may say so, your opinion sucks.
Actually, as soon as the energy doors open, Obi-Wan comes out on the offensive. And, after he breaks Maul's saber in-half, Obi-Wan doesn't outduel Maul in the least bit. Ininitially, yes, but from that point onwards -- no.
I mean Maul kicks Kenobi right in the chin, right after that he dodges his attack, and then as soon as Maul ducks Kenobi's next attack, they come into a saberlock, and Maul firstly overpowers him - pushing his lightsaber back - and then pushes him down the shaft.
Incorrect. Luckily, I have the video to prove it!
Kenobi is the FIRST one to kick Maul in the face RIGHT after he chops his Saber. Maul goes down and quickly gets back up. Maul then kicks Kenobi, who does a back flip with the kick and lands on his FEET. Kenobi then barrades Maul with a series of attacks. Then Kenobi smashes his Lightsaber against Mauls. Maul pushes the attack off and then force pushes Kenobi into the generator. Watch the beginning of the fight before Kenobi rips his saber in half. Maul is on the DEFENSE the entire time. And then after that, they are on par at best.
Maul pushed Kenobis powerful swipe off and force pushed him, in fear that Kenobi would come back at him with a more powerful attack.
Shortly after, Maul gets pwned. They were on par AT THE MINIMUM on that duel IF NOT Kenobi doing better.
Watch on, my friend.
Dude, even after Maul defeated Jinn and Obi-Wan fought more ferociously, Maul was still able to match him with his own ferociousness. Wow, Obi-Wan was able to kick Maul and cut his saber in half. That was THE 1 thing that Obi-Wan did to Maul in the entire fight. And shortly afterwards, Maul was able to land a kick in on Obi-Wan any way and shortly afterwards force push him into the shaft (and that did actually required Maul to outduel him and put Obi-Wan in a vulnerable position so he could pull off his force push that Obi-Wan wouldn't be able to block, so stop acting as if it was lucky because it IS actually a testament to his dueling ability).
Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Dude, even after Maul defeated Jinn and Obi-Wan fought more ferociously, Maul was still able to match him with his own ferociousness. Wow, Obi-Wan was able to kick Maul and cut his saber in half. That was THE 1 thing that Obi-Wan did to Maul in the entire fight. And shortly afterwards, Maul was able to land a kick in on Obi-Wan any way and shortly afterwards force push him into the shaft (and that did actually required Maul to outduel him and put Obi-Wan in a vulnerable position so he could pull off his force push that Obi-Wan wouldn't be able to block, so stop acting as if it was lucky because it IS actually a testament to his dueling ability).
Are you ridiculously stupid? I just showed you DIRECT PROOF that Maul was receiving an ass whooping.
And opening you say? There would have to be a pretty big opening for Kenobi to have sliced his Lightsaber in half and kick him to the ground. Not to mention, keeping him purely on defense during the beginning of their one on one.
Kenobi also managed to roll with Mauls kick and land on his feet. And no! Maul didn't outduel him at that point. He brushed off an attack in order to push him.
Why didn't he continue the Lightsaber duel if he had such a large opening, Blak Fox? Ever think he just wanted to end it quickly in fear of Kenobi outdueling him?
Maul had a tiny opening to push Kenobi. If Maul even tried to raise his Lightsaber to Kenobi, Kenobi would have blocked it. Maul knew this, so he stopped the fight by force pushing Kenobi.
Oh and Kenobi did more than one good thing.
- He had Maul on the defensive at the beginning.
- Kicked Maul to the ground.
- Slashed his Lightsaber.
- Never broke his offense and stayed on par.
- Killed Maul!
^ I recall more than one, my friend.
as a maul fanboy i would like to contribute as much as any dooku fanboy, maul whipps his old ass off the station and he falls to his ever loving death. no proof just fanboyism find a dooku fanboy that will give you more!
but now the seriouse part, if you think about it maul had to be the way he was he had to lose or else there would be no star wars. If maul wasted the two of them he would have killed lil annie and padme and hopefully jar jar, or i'd have to kill maul myself! but honestly given the hatred he was he would fight so intensely against dooku because he would be offended that he would be accepted as a sith after leaving the jedi order, because maul hates sith, ergo maul would fight with a full controll of the dark side