maul vs dooku

Originally posted by darthsith19
Go watch TPM. Maul was destroying Obi-Wan for 90% of the duel. Only at the end they were even since Obi-Wan was using the Dark Side and Maul was tired from fighting Jinn after fighting both Jedi at once.

DS19, that's ridiculous and you know it. Maul had plenty of a break during his time between the laser wall. And are you saying Kenobi is a better dark side practitioner than Maul?

What makes you think Kenobi wasn't just as equally tired?

Maul was destroying Kenobi? You're on crack. Kenobi HAD Maul when he started to do one on one with him. He was throwing away all of his moves like they were mere annoyances.

bull he was mad that jinn was dead what do you think he was happy, dude i dont know about you but i do no that when he screamed nooooo that meant he was pissed! so, yes you know he was angry and maul threw him down a well how the hell was he supposed to know that obiwan would use a discarded lightsaber

Originally posted by Antediluvian
DS19, that's ridiculous and you know it. Maul had plenty of a break during his time between the laser wall. And are you saying Kenobi is a better dark side practitioner than Maul?

What makes you think Kenobi wasn't just as equally tired?

Maul was destroying Kenobi? You're on crack. Kenobi HAD Maul when he started to do one on one with him. He was throwing away all of his moves like they were mere annoyances.

As many people have already pointed out, Maul was dominating the fight. Kenobi got a short outburst in where it appeared he was gaining the upper hand, but Maul quickly silenced him. The only reason Kenobi won the fight, is because he caught Maul off-guard with his one of his famous ninja moves.

Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
bull he was mad that jinn was dead what do you think he was happy, dude i dont know about you but i do no that when he screamed nooooo that meant he was pissed! so, yes you know he was angry and maul threw him down a well how the hell was he supposed to know that obiwan would use a discarded lightsaber

ARE YOU NUTS?

Yeah, because it was that simple:

"D'uh, Kenobi got mad and screamed. Then maul thjrew him intos a shaft and kenobi went nuts again and maul died. huh uhu hu h!11"

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
As many people have already pointed out, Maul was dominating the fight. Kenobi got a short outburst in where it appeared he was gaining the upper hand, but Maul quickly silenced him. The only reason Kenobi won the fight, is because he caught Maul off-guard with his one of his famous ninja moves.

Wrong again.

Maul was dominating nothing. He couldn't handle his opponents rage and that was his loss. Kenobi had him on the defense, cut his Lightsaber and kicked him to the ground. The rest of their one on one consisted of them being on par, Maul kicked Kenobi and Kenobi landed on his feet and then Kenobi almost began to put Maul back into defense but Maul force pushed him in fear of overall defeat during the duel.

......... ok? whatever that was for it made as much sense as me when im angry. but maul clearly won the battle and was of course caught off by one of the ninja moves as great vengance said and not even yoda could have see that coming, unless he was thinking be mindful of your surroundings, but maul wasnt we all know that or he would have been holding jinn's lightsaber. so its settled that maul was caught off guard!

Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
......... ok? whatever that was for it made as much sense as me when im angry. but maul clearly won the battle and was of course caught off by one of the ninja moves as great vengance said and not even yoda could have see that coming, unless he was thinking be mindful of your surroundings, but maul wasnt we all know that or he would have been holding jinn's lightsaber. so its settled that maul was caught off guard!

Maul was losing previously.

I love how one Force push out of fear that he was going to lose is apparently "Maul overpowering Kenobi during a Duel.".

Maul surprised Kenobi with that push just as much as Kenobi surprised Maul with his "Ninja" maneuver.

Maul was being forced into defense for the SECOND time during their one on one so he force pushed Kenobi. That simple.

how do you know he knew or even was going to lose that speculation
im not saying mine is backed up but its not made up crap that other people wont agree with

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Wrong again.

Maul was dominating nothing. He couldn't handle his opponents rage and that was his loss. Kenobi had him on the defense, cut his Lightsaber and kicked him to the ground. The rest of their one on one consisted of them being on par, Maul kicked Kenobi and Kenobi landed on his feet and then Kenobi almost began to put Maul back into defense but Maul force pushed him in fear of overall defeat during the duel.

Earlier Maul was dominating *both* of them at the same time, what makes you think Kenobi suddenly got the power to fairly defeat Maul one on one? He didnt, like I said before, Kenobi got a short outburst where it appeared Maul was going on the defensive but then Maul quickly gained the upper hand again and pushed Kenobi into the shaft. If Maul was so 'afraid' of Kenobi winning, then why did he taunt him? Maul didnt even consider Kenobi a threat, and thats what led to Mauls downfall when he got suprise attacked.

ya lets see dooku handle someone who was rightfully put on the council not put on the council so george lucas could get obiwan in as many scenes as he could

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Earlier Maul was dominating *both* of them at the same time, what makes you think Kenobi suddenly got the power to fairly defeat Maul one on one? He didnt, like I said before, Kenobi got a short outburst where it appeared Maul was going on the defensive but then Maul quickly gained the upper hand again and pushed Kenobi into the shaft. If Maul was so 'afraid' of Kenobi winning, then why did he taunt him? Maul didnt even consider Kenobi a threat, and thats what led to Mauls downfall when he got suprise attacked.

He wasn't dominating both of them! They were on par. Dude, you so misinformed.

Kenobi was enraged. He just watched his Master die. So he freaked. Click on my f*cking profile and watch the damn fight, dude! After Maul regains himself after Kenobi forces him on the defense, they are ON PAR. Maul doesn't throw Kenobi on defense ONCE. Then, Kenobi begins to put Maul on the defense AGAIN and Maul force pushes him in fear of loss. That's what happened. And I like I mentioned earlier, Mauls push was just as a surprise as Kenobis flip. Except Kenobi lived and Maul died.

Outlook of one on one:

- Kenobi comes out and bashes Mauls Lightsaber.
- Kenobi keeps Maul on defense, forcing him back.
- Kenobi slashes Mauls Lightsaber in half and kicks him in the chest, knocking him to the ground.
- Maul gets up, Kenobi does an Ataru flip attack and Maul blocks it. Maul forces Kenobi on the defense for only three seconds and Maul kicks Kenobi.
- Kenobi flips with the kcik and lands on his feet as if he was never kicked.
- Kenobi regains himself and puts Maul on the defensive side yet again. Kenobi bashes his Lightsaber onto Mauls and begins pushing. Maul pushes forward and slips a quick surprise force push.
- Kenobi hangs on as Maul kicks Kenobis Lightsaber into the shaft.
- Maul gets arrogant and begins swiping the mouth of the Shaft with his Lightsaber, taunting Kenobi, thinking Kenobi has lost.
- Kenobi flips over Maul as Maul WATCHES him flip. (Maul was surprised?) and Kenobi regains himself for three quarters of a second and slices Maul, killing him.

^ That's what happened. Don't believe it? Believe it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M2itqwRpnDY

Originally posted by DarthMaul9123
ya lets see dooku handle someone who was rightfully put on the council not put on the council so george lucas could get obiwan in as many scenes as he could

Maul isn't defeating Dooku. That's already been established.

Originally posted by Antediluvian
He wasn't dominating both of them! They were on par. Dude, you so misinformed.

Kenobi was enraged. He just watched his Master die. So he freaked. Click on my f*cking profile and watch the damn fight, dude! After Maul regains himself after Kenobi forces him on the defense, they are ON PAR. Maul doesn't throw Kenobi on defense ONCE. Then, Kenobi begins to put Maul on the defense AGAIN and Maul force pushes him in fear of loss. That's what happened. And I like I mentioned earlier, Mauls push was just as a surprise as Kenobis flip. Except Kenobi lived and Maul died.

Outlook of one on one:

- Kenobi comes out and bashes Mauls Lightsaber.
- Kenobi keeps Maul on defense, forcing him back.
- Kenobi slashes Mauls Lightsaber in half and kicks him in the chest, knocking him to the ground.
- Maul gets up, Kenobi does an Ataru flip attack and Maul blocks it. Maul forces Kenobi on the defense for only three seconds and Maul kicks Kenobi.
- Kenobi flips with the kcik and lands on his feet as if he was never kicked.
- Kenobi regains himself and puts Maul on the defensive side yet again. Kenobi bashes his Lightsaber onto Mauls and begins pushing. Maul pushes forward and slips a quick surprise force push.
- Kenobi hangs on as Maul kicks Kenobis Lightsaber into the shaft.
- Maul gets arrogant and begins swiping the mouth of the Shaft with his Lightsaber, taunting Kenobi, thinking Kenobi has lost.
- Kenobi flips over Maul as Maul WATCHES him flip. (Maul was surprised?) and Kenobi regains himself for three quarters of a second and slices Maul, killing him.

^ That's what happened. Don't believe it? Believe it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=M2itqwRpnDY

If your going to attempt to state objective facts, then dont twist the language to make Kenobi look good.

And I dont really see where your going with this, yes it could be interpreted that Kenobi had the upper hand during their fight in the reactor room...I personally disagree, but its really up to opinion. If your saying that TPM Kenobi is more *powerful* than Maul, I would have to bluntly say your wrong. Maul held his own against both Kenobi and Jinn(a 'legendary' lightsaber duelist) at the same time, you cannot deny that Kenobis victory at the end was mostly luck.

Luck Or No Luck. Obi-Wan still won.

Originally posted by Agent Krueger
Luck Or No Luck. Obi-Wan still won.

I think thats been established.

Thing is, fights involve a massively important factor: Brains and strategy...Maul came up short in both

His strategy for isolating Qui-Gon was pretty good, IMO.

I think you are wrong about Maul having no strategy. He did manage to isolate the duo with the force fields. And a good strategy takes a large amount of brain power. However he didnt do himself any favors when he started taunting Obi-Wan instead of finishing him.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
If your going to attempt to state objective facts, then dont twist the language to make Kenobi look good.

And I dont really see where your going with this, yes it could be interpreted that Kenobi had the upper hand during their fight in the reactor room...I personally disagree, but its really up to opinion. If your saying that TPM Kenobi is more *powerful* than Maul, I would have to bluntly say your wrong. Maul held his own against both Kenobi and Jinn(a 'legendary' lightsaber duelist) at the same time, you cannot deny that Kenobis victory at the end was mostly luck.

Luck? Him using the force to project himself into the air, grab Jinn's Lightsaber, have Maul watch as he flips over his head and cut him in half LUCK?

It looks like your so-called opinion sucks. Maul was arrogant and underestimated Kenobi's power. Kenobi was extremely powerful for a Padawan and Maul failed to detect this and it resulted in his own death.

Kenobi was smarter and Maul was stupid. That's all there is to it. Sure, Maul may have been more powerful in the force and in Martial Arts but from what I saw, Kenobi held ground when it came to Lightsabers and in the end, Maul got schooled.

Originally posted by Agent Krueger
Luck Or No Luck. Obi-Wan still won.

Was it luck, or was Obi-Wan simply intelligent enough to turn his predicament to his advantage?