maul vs dooku

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Luck? Him using the force to project himself into the air, grab Jinn's Lightsaber, have Maul watch as he flips over his head and cut him in half LUCK?

It looks like your so-called opinion sucks. Maul was arrogant and underestimated Kenobi's power. Kenobi was extremely powerful for a Padawan and Maul failed to detect this and it resulted in his own death.

Kenobi was smarter and Maul was stupid. That's all there is to it. Sure, Maul may have been more powerful in the force and in Martial Arts but from what I saw, Kenobi held ground when it came to Lightsabers and in the end, Maul got schooled.

I agree that Obi-Wan was cunning to do what he did and it was very impressive and I also agree that Maul was foolish to not have killed him, but Maul definitely displayed more skill with a saber, and was able to outclass both Jinn and Obi-Wan in my opinion.

Woopsies looks like I didnt read what everyone said

Originally posted by Antediluvian
Luck? Him using the force to project himself into the air, grab Jinn's Lightsaber, have Maul watch as he flips over his head and cut him in half LUCK?

It looks like your so-called opinion sucks. Maul was arrogant and underestimated Kenobi's power. Kenobi was extremely powerful for a Padawan and Maul failed to detect this and it resulted in his own death.

Kenobi was smarter and Maul was stupid. That's all there is to it. Sure, Maul may have been more powerful in the force and in Martial Arts but from what I saw, Kenobi held ground when it came to Lightsabers and in the end, Maul got schooled.

I call it Kenobis luck that Maul didnt finish him off when he had the chance, you call it Maul just being a dumbass. Either way, theres no reason to think Kenobi is more powerful or that he would be able to win in a fair one on one duel.

Sidious himself said: Maul got stupid , he was arrogant. He died as a result

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
I call it Kenobis luck that Maul didnt finish him off when he had the chance, you call it Maul just being a dumbass. Either way, theres no reason to think Kenobi is more powerful or that he would be able to win in a fair one on one duel.

Why? He overpowered Maul twice, put him on his ass and sliced his Lightsaber in half. Maul? He was on par with Kenobi during that one part before he was forced into defense and he unsuccessfully kicked Kenobi and then he surprised pushed Kenobi into the generator.

So, Kenobi came back and surprised him back!

Kenobi had displayed having better Lightsaber dueling skills during his one on one. The movie displays that to obvious points.

You're acting as if Maul force pushing Obi-Wan was as lucky as Obi-Wan flipping behind Maul and slashing him. Maul actually had to outduel Obi-Wan and force him into a vulnerable position to be able to force push him. His force push was not a surprise attack. It was something that Kenobi was simply unable to prevent and is testament to both Maul's saber skills and force control. Obi-Wan's attack actually WAS a surprise attack. If Maul did not get caught up in the moment, he would have sensed Obi-Wan and would have been able to prevent it. He could have easily killed him while Obi-Wan was hanging on defenceless but was foolish and chose to taunt him instead. Obi-Wan got lucky and everyone can see that.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
You're acting as if Maul force pushing Obi-Wan was as lucky as Obi-Wan flipping behind Maul and slashing him. Maul actually had to outduel Obi-Wan and force him into a vulnerable position to be able to force push him. His force push was not a surprise attack. It was something that Kenobi was simply unable to prevent and is testament to both Maul's saber skills and force control. Obi-Wan's attack actually WAS a surprise attack. If Maul did not get caught up in the moment, he would have sensed Obi-Wan and would have been able to prevent it. He could have easily killed him while Obi-Wan was hanging on defenceless but was foolish and chose to taunt him instead. Obi-Wan got lucky and everyone can see that.

His force push was a surprise! He pushed Kenobi away and quickly lifted his hand up for a surprise push. Kenobi didn't know he was going to push, so it was a surprise.

By your Logic, Kenobi got an opening on him when he pushed him over and slashed his Lightsaber.

Kenobi: 2
Maul: 1

Maul was barely hanging at that point. Kenobi had thrown him into defense a second time and Maul merely pushed his attack off and force pushed him. He force pushed him because he was being outdueled, Blak Fox. That's a given.

By the way, Maul watched as Kenobi flipped over him with the Lightsaber and there was a three in a quarters of a second period were Kenobi adjusted himself before he slashed Maul.

Kenobi had less time to react to Mauls surprise push than Maul did with Kenobis flip.

Maul was being OUTDUELED UTTERLY by Obi Wan so he stopped the duel by force pushing him.

It's that simple, really.

Originally posted by Agent Krueger
Luck Or No Luck. Obi-Wan still won.

Originally posted by Soren the Mage
His force push was a surprise! He pushed Kenobi away and quickly lifted his hand up for a surprise push. Kenobi didn't know he was going to push, so it was a surprise.

By your Logic, Kenobi got an opening on him when he pushed him over and slashed his Lightsaber.

Kenobi: 2
Maul: 1

Maul was barely hanging at that point. Kenobi had thrown him into defense a second time and Maul merely pushed his attack off and force pushed him. He force pushed him because he was being outdueled, Blak Fox. That's a given.

By the way, Maul watched as Kenobi flipped over him with the Lightsaber and there was a three in a quarters of a second period were Kenobi adjusted himself before he slashed Maul.

Kenobi had less time to react to Mauls surprise push than Maul did with Kenobis flip.

Maul was being OUTDUELED UTTERLY by Obi Wan so he stopped the duel by force pushing him.

It's that simple, really.

Well we're just going to have to agree to disagree. BTW I'm sorry about insulting you earlier dude. I just sometimes get hyped up when debating this particular fight so don't take it personally.

Well to be fair Obi Wan was tapping into the Dark Side of the Force, fueled by his anger and rage.

Consider that TPM Obi Wan did not change to Soresu, rather he was following Quin Gon.

Also consider that Maul completely outdueled Quin Gon and kill him, unless your saying TPM Obi Wan > TPM Quin Gon, its fair to say Obi Wan was at the time inferior to Maul.

Originally posted by Great Vengeance
I call it Kenobis luck that Maul didnt finish him off when he had the chance, you call it Maul just being a dumbass. Either way, theres no reason to think Kenobi is more powerful or that he would be able to win in a fair one on one duel.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Well we're just going to have to agree to disagree. BTW I'm sorry about insulting you earlier dude. I just sometimes get hyped up when debating this particular fight so don't take it personally.

It's all good.

Originally posted by Deception
Well to be fair Obi Wan was tapping into the Dark Side of the Force, fueled by his anger and rage.

Consider that TPM Obi Wan did not change to Soresu, rather he was following Quin Gon.

Also consider that Maul completely outdueled Quin Gon and kill him, unless your saying TPM Obi Wan > TPM Quin Gon, its fair to say Obi Wan was at the time inferior to Maul.

Since you're using ABC Arguments, by your Logic:

Dooku > Kenobi

Kenobi > Anakin

So . . .

Dooku > Anakin

^ Didn't happen that way, now did it?

ABC Arguments are invalid, dude. Just because Kenobi was able to overpower Maul doesn't mean he could defeat Jinn.

Different styles, different fighters.

Originally posted by Soren the Mage
Since you're using ABC Arguments, by your Logic:

Dooku > Kenobi

Kenobi > Anakin

So . . .

Dooku > Anakin

^ Didn't happen that way, now did it?

ABC Arguments are invalid, dude. Just because Kenobi was able to overpower Maul doesn't mean he could defeat Jinn.

Different styles, different fighters.

I think that ABC arguments are actually valid only as long as the fight is completely fair, the only variable affecting the outcome of the fight is the skill of the combatant, and none of the combatants have a particular weakness to another.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
I think that ABC arguments are actually valid only as long as the fight is completely fair, the only variable affecting the outcome of the fight is the skill of the combatant, and none of the combatants have a particular weakness to another.

That's a ridiculous statement.

ABC Arguments are 100% invalid.

So . . . If a Youngling defeats Darth Vader and earlier, Kit Fisto defeated that Youngling . . .

That means (According to your Logic, of course) that Kit Fisto wipes the floor with Vader.

Wrong.

The ABC Theory was put to shit when Kenobi defeated Anakin. It's incorrect. Different people . . . Different styles.

Well, Maul had just had a long duel with no breaks who is tired out from Qui Gon and Obi Wan was powered by the dark side and just got a break to focus and breathe. Even at this point Maul got him into a position that was vulnerable and force pushed him down a shaft. Maul made a stupid mistake and was toying with him, and didn't live to regret it. Maul is better than TPM Obi Wan, this shouldn't be up for debate.

In a saber fight against Dooku, Maul would put up a hell of a fight. Maul tired out Qui Gon after like, a minute of fighting. Dooku has less stamina than Qui Gon, and Maul would wear him down. A saber fight would be close.

Lol, Sorgo got banned again? What'd he do this time?