Originally posted by Lightsnake
Big deal. Story info, character's thoughts, off screen things in the novelizations? They count
I just explained why they didnt.
"The movie was the way ROTS happened. The end. Anything more that the novel adds, didnt happen in the movie, and so *is* contradicting the movie simply because it didnt happen in the movie."
Originally posted by Escape81
I'm sorry, but I don't see where the surprise came from. Sidious did not raise his hands quickly. I just watched the scene. He slowly raised his hands from his lap, while telling Yoda: "Now you will experience the full power of the Dark Side. "Sidious blasted his lightning - and as it encroached on Yoda, the Jedi had an expression similar to the one Sidious had later on in the duel, on top of the pod.
"Oh crap".
Sidious had the high ground for most of the fight, yes. But I am talking about when they fight on the Chancellor's podium, Palpatine starts off in the Chancellor's seat, and Yoda starts off in Mas Amedda's - which is below Palpatine. As the camera draws back, and the podium descends, it shows Yoda forcing Palpatine to Sly Moore's chair, and Yoda taking the Chancellor's [gaining the high ground] - but then it shows Sidious forcing Yoda back into Mas Amedda's chair once again.
My point is that Yoda was not utterly dominating the lightsaber duel, and was forced back by Palpatine and exchanged the offensive and defensive roles at various times.
Now, you're completely missing the point. Sidious ripped four pods out of their moorings, Sorgo, and then drew all four back into the air, behind him - in direct defiance with gravity.
Then he dropped the pods.
Point being? I have already said that Palpatine was disarmed by Yoda. My quote was that, once the pod chucking contest was over, and Sidious fled to the lower pod - Yoda followed and ignited his lightsaber. Sidious then blasted it out of his hands - disarming him.
Secondly, the quote is: "it looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed". It didn't say that he was doomed.
Again, point being? I've already established that Yoda > Sidious in all categories. But my point is, it is only by a few hairs and not leagues.
Nicely said.
"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films . Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences."
Originally posted by Escape81
I'm sorry, but I don't see where the surprise came from. Sidious did not raise his hands quickly. I just watched the scene. He slowly raised his hands from his lap, while telling Yoda: "Now you will experience the full power of the Dark Side. "Sidious blasted his lightning - and as it encroached on Yoda, the Jedi had an expression similar to the one Sidious had later on in the duel, on top of the pod.
Yeah, an expression of surprise. Yoda was defending more serious torrents of lightning from Sidious throughout that fight. If he had expected that one, he would have blocked it instead of letting himself get dealt out. It's logically incorrect to think he would let himself get hit by it if he knew Sidious was going to do it. Especially considering he blocked the rest of them throughout the entire fight.
Yoda: You can have just this one hit, Sids.
Sidious: Why thank you, Yoda.
Scrrrrrrrrrrrrrript! Final draft, if I may note:
"MAS AMEDDA leaves the room. PALPATINE approaches a surprised YODA.
Sidious had the high ground for most of the fight, yes. But I am talking about when they fight on the Chancellor's podium, Palpatine starts off in the Chancellor's seat, and Yoda starts off in Mas Amedda's - which is below Palpatine. As the camera draws back, and the podium descends, it shows Yoda forcing Palpatine to Sly Moore's chair, and Yoda taking the Chancellor's [gaining the high ground] - but then it shows Sidious forcing Yoda back into Mas Amedda's chair once again.
They forced each other into chairs a few times. Doesn't this indicate that their power levels are at a minor on par at that point?
My point is that Yoda was not utterly dominating the lightsaber duel, and was forced back by Palpatine and exchanged the offensive and defensive roles at various times.
Well, Sidious didn't spend alot of time dueling him because this is what happened when he did spend time dueling with him:
"YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber."
That's when Yoda and Sidious were dueling with Lightsabers, By the way.
Now, you're completely missing the point. Sidious ripped four pods out of their moorings, Sorgo, and then drew all four back into the air, behind him - in direct defiance with gravity.Then he dropped the pods.
I wonder who had a more difficult time - Sidious, whom kept the Pods level with gravity even if in direct defiance and then dropping them. Or Yoda, whom had to hurl one directly back up at the most difficult point of gravity? You can't tell me it was harder for Sidious to keep a Pod level for a few seconds and then drop them compared to hurling one back up from a low point of gravity. Please.
And Sidious ended that Pod battle once Yoda threw a single Pod back towards him.
Point being? I have already said that Palpatine was disarmed by Yoda. My quote was that, once the pod chucking contest was over, and Sidious fled to the lower pod - Yoda followed and ignited his lightsaber. Sidious then blasted it out of his hands - disarming him.
Cool, and after Sidious blasted the Lightsaber out of his hands, Yoda caught the lightning and absorbed it. He then replied with a powerful Force push.
Secondly, the quote is: "it looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed". It didn't say that he was doomed.
Again, point being? I've already established that Yoda > Sidious in all categories. But my point is, it is only by a few hairs and not leagues.
But of course. Just trying to establish some other points.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Are the events of the EU in the movies? Then they dont' count
No, that is the flaw in your reasoning. The rest of the EU doesnt cover the same events as in the movies, and so there is no contradiction from a higher level of canon. The ROTS novel however covers the same events as ROTS, or the same 'perspective' of the SW universe, and whatever the novel has that differs in any way from the perspective of the movie is a contradiction of the movie.
I dont mean to be rude, but Im getting tired of repeating this for you.
The ROTS Novel isn't Canon. People need to realize that. It has contradictions in it that go directly against the movie. You can't just say "Oh, but there are other parts in it."
If some of these others parts are contradicting, what makes you think that the things mentioned in the Novel that aren't mentioned in the movie are valid?
They're not.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Regardless, it can still be applied to the EU. the canon policy is it's above the rest of the eU, but under the films. And if one aspect contradicts, a lot of older EU is getting hurled out the window
If you can pick out parts of a source that contradicts the movie at several turns and state them as canon and legit, then Wiki articles would be of a higher canon than every piece of EU outside of the novels. No, those books just don't work.