Vong Slayer Vs Marka Ragnos

Started by Lightsnake24 pages

Prove it. The Ancient Sith Empire was extinct. All the true blooded Sith were dead

Apparently you missed the entire plot of KOTOR when Revan went searching for the Remnants of the ancient Sith Empire.. Way to argue against facts lightsnake.

No, he went for the True Sith empire...the Empire from the comics never enters into that

The Ancient empire is the only true sith empire, considering no other sith empire existed.. Stop arguing with facts, it's embarassing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Revan

You want to Wikispar? Fine:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Adas

And sorry, Nai, forgot to address one thing: Ragnos himself mentions that it's their golden age while describing the empire and wealth

Originally posted by Lightsnake
He says he remembers it, that's all. We've had SW characters who remember things from childhood on. And Sadow went into hibernation tp preserve his life on Yavin. Once more, there's nothing else going for the other Sith council members with age.

Aren't they mentioned to have all prolonged their age over "centuries" in the DS Sourcebook ?


Humans, no...Barabel, Falleen, Yuuzhan Vong, Gen'Dai, Hutts, Yoda's race, and others can live ages.

And I don't see one of them being part of the Dark Jedi that founded the Sith Empire - or of the Legions of Lattow.


We now know from KOTOR there's another, very old Sith empire apart from Sadow's, the 'True sith Empire'. We know the Ancient Sith were completely extinct as Sadow was the last of them, but Nadd also journied into a Sith empire and got training there before he left after he couldn't become the Dark Lord. And Nadd KILLED Sadow on Yavin 4, that's been confirmed. Knights of the Old Republic says Nadd was apprenticed to a Dark Lord of the Sith and fled to Onderon because his master was still alive and Sadow is confirmed dead by that point

No. We know that Kreia believes that there might be other Sith in the unknown regions. Nothing else.
Where has it been confirmed that Nadd did kill Sadow ? Apparently he still calls Sadow his "master" when he appears as a spirit in the TOTJ comics.


The thought bomb killed the Sith and Jedi, Bane's blast turned the planet into a desert, two different events.

The thought bomb killed every force influenced life form on the planet - which included everything except the three survivors.


And KJA's created plenty of inconsistencies in his own stories, or at least he and Veitch have between them.

Again: Where ?

I thought he was referring to Ragnos when he said he had only one person he answers to, since technically everyone answers to Ragnos whether they are dead or alive.

Nothing about that in DS sourcebook to my recollection. Sometihng may've been mentioned in the Character guide, though.

Well, actually, a Yuuzhan Vong is one of the founding Sith Lords of the new Order and Rivan helped to found the New Sith...we don't know if others were human or not, though. Xendor and Arden for the Legions, but that's it.

Character guide I believe mentioned Sadow's death and the chronology. and Sadow trained Nadd', of course he'd call him his master or teacher. And Kreia stated very clearly the 'true' empire is out there, hence why Revan left.

Tomcat, Bane and Zannah weren't killed the bomb, nor were the 'bouncer' inhabitants of Ruusan. Bane had already deforested the planet and wiped out most of the life. This is in Jedi vs. Sith.

Some inconsistencies: We have Odan=Ur describing the history of the Sith to Ooroo in Golden Age in the prologue, we have Nadd having run along to the old Sith Empire for training, the whole 'running off to join the Dark Empire' thing, the Jedi even knowing much about a sequestered world like Onderon's intimate history...the former's the biggest, the Jedi have never heard of or encountered the empire, how is Odan finding stuff to tell Ooroo about it?

And for some reason, during Marka's flashback of the Jedi exiling the Sith, they're all Sith.

And yes, Td....Sadow really did a great job obeyind Ragnos and Palpatine was really obeying him when he yelled "I command you!"
Jaden Korr seemed really full'a worship when he fought Ragnos.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And yes, Td....Sadow really did a great job obeyind Ragnos and Palpatine was really obeying him when he yelled "I command you!"
Jaden Korr seemed really full'a worship when he fought Ragnos.

Oh yes, because Jaden nor respecting a 5,000 ghost in a video games means anything. Because Palpatine wants to flex nuts, that means anything.. More infallible logic from lightsnake. And again, the true sith empire IS the ancient sith empire since there was NO other sith empire besides the ancient sith empire, come KOTOR.. Jesus christ lightsnake.

Td, do you have a direct, exact quote saying "There was no other Sith Empire" in any context?
And according to you, everyone dead or alive obeyed Ragnos. Hm.

Oh yes, lightsnake wants to argue semantics, and against facts... Lets point out your weak points..

Logic states that THE true sith empire is the ancient sith empire and the only sith empire known by KOTOR times is the ancient sith.
Lightsnake argues against that simple fact, and for absence of proof.
Logic states that Ragnos was the dark lord of all dark lord, that he had the last and final answer
Lightsnake turns this around to state that Ragnos wasn't respected, especially in a 1992 DE comic..

Conclusion: Lightsnake is incompetent.

Yeah, EVERYONE answers to Ragnos.
Counterexample1: Palpatine
Counterexample2: Naga Sadow
Counterexample3: Jaden Korr.

And 'only known.' The True Sith empire is still unknown. The Ancient Sith empire was wiped out and the ancients were genocided and extinct.

You obviously can't comprehend the concept of "remnants". You know, spirits DO exist, and they ARE powerful...
Jaden Korr was a Jedi, your point is retarded. If youre going to play stupid then I expect you not to type. Ragnos is the final decision in the world of the sith, of all time. You seem to confuse that with "Everybody respects him". Oh, and Naga Sadow was on his knees like a ***** when his spirit came, and Jaden is a stupid video game character. Way to prove my point by not reading Lightsnake.

Originally posted by tdtd
You obviously can't comprehend the concept of "remnants". You know, spirits DO exist, and they ARE powerful...
Jaden Korr was a Jedi, your point is retarded. If youre going to play stupid then I expect you not to type. Ragnos is the final decision in the world of the sith, of all time. You seem to confuse that with "Everybody respects him". Oh, and Naga Sadow was on his knees like a ***** when his spirit came, and Jaden is a stupid video game character. Way to prove my point by not reading Lightsnake.


We never see Palps obeying Mr. Ragnos...

Naga was also flaunting Ragnos's advice and orders the chance he got. And Ragnos is the final decision? Better warn Bane, Ludo, Palpatine and Vader!

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Naga was also flaunting Ragnos's advice and orders the chance he got. And Ragnos is the final decision? Better warn Bane, Ludo, Palpatine and Vader!

Yes, Ragnos is the final decision, as he was the one who crowned Exar Kun as the DLOTS.. Secondly, I have no idea if that was Ragnos that was talking to Sidious in DE.. Just because Sidious commanded him means absolutely nothing, as Ragnos brushed it off with his "Dominion" speech. Better warn Ludo and Sadow? Oh I suppose you forgot the part where Ludo and Sadow were on their knees for the spirit.. Of course you'll try to downplay that and interpret it differently. And Vader? Sidious? I don't even understand how you can call them DLOTS.. Who crowned them? Who crowned Bane? Truth is you know very little about Bane to be making any kind of statements, so wait till his book comes out before you spew your nonsense. As for Sidious and Vader, nothing was even mentioned of them knowing about the ancient sith, but Ragnos is the one who crowned the coming of the Second Golden Age.. Yes Lightsnake, way to argue with facts.

Ragnos is in no form of authority over anyone. He's just one Sith lord. One Dark Lord of the Sith.

By Palpatine's time, he is a non factors. Nowadays, no one gives a damn about him.

Again, he is the greatest of the dark lords, the most powerful of the most powerful, the one who had the final answer to crowning Exar Kun. The true nature of the sith, the ancient sith empire, and the concept of DLOTS died with Exar Kun. After that came about the new sith obviously who were completely different than the original concept, and less powerful.

Originally posted by tdtd
Again, he is the greatest of the dark lords, the most powerful of the most powerful, the one who had the final answer to crowning Exar Kun. The true nature of the sith, the ancient sith empire, and the concept of DLOTS died with Exar Kun. After that came about the new sith obviously who were completely different than the original concept, and less powerful.

Can you say fanboy?

Yeah, not according to Star Wars canon. Palpatine didn't give a damn about what Marka wanted, neither did Bane