Originally posted by Swirly Girl
Logical? At least Lightsnake is coherent, you are just an illogical moron with the brain capacity of a brain dead gnat...
Wait wait.. He's coherent and i'm just illogical? Wow, I like your comparisons.. This must be the incompetent Darth Traya that had nothing to contribute to this forum and that's been verbally raped many many times. I like your simplistic high school insult, or the attempt at least.. Shows what kind of a moron you truly are.. "He's coherent and youre just illogical". What does that say for my coherent abilities and his logic? Oh wait, you can't understand half of what you type..
And Ackbar, you haven't provided a single logical argument which leads me to believe you have no comprehension of the term logic. All of the new kids that have just SOME knowledge of the SW galaxy think they have logic. It's quite amusing.
Originally posted by tdtd
Wait wait.. He's coherent and i'm just illogical? Wow, I like your comparisons.. This must be the incompetent Darth Traya that had nothing to contribute to this forum and that's been verbally raped many many times. I like your simplistic high school insult, or the attempt at least.. Shows what kind of a moron you truly are.. "He's coherent and youre just illogical". What does that say for my coherent abilities and his logic? Oh wait, you can't understand half of what you type..And Ackbar, you haven't provided a single logical argument which leads me to believe you have no comprehension of the term logic. All of the new kids that have just SOME knowledge of the SW galaxy think they have logic. It's quite amusing.
LMAO, Tdtd. "Verbally raped"? "Nothing to contribute"? You know what, you can **** off. I may agree with some of what you say, but you take the biscuit.
Guess what, punk? Come back when you can actually make any sense, or stop being an asshat. People like you make this forum look nonsensical.
Originally posted by Swirly Girl
LMAO, Tdtd. "Verbally raped"? "Nothing to contribute"? You know what, you can **** off. I may agree with some of what you say, but you take the biscuit.Guess what, punk? Come back when you can actually make any sense, or stop being an asshat. People like you make this forum look nonsensical.
As opposed to morons like you who again, contribute nothing to this forum, offer no logical arguments at any given time, troll around and throw out insults.. I may insult the new people on here or the ones that are stupid but at least I offer arguments, sometimes logical, sometimes I just spew out shit just to get a kick out of it.. You on the other hand obviously don't understand the meaning of 'logical', nor 'coherent', otherwise you wouldn't be trying so hard to insult me with concepts that are foreign to you..
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Yes, the master is always AT the beggining stronger than the apprentice. Soon after the apprentice grows more powerful. As seen by the people you have just listed. My whole point along was to prove that in time Sadow would become more powerful than Master Ragnos, but he could never rival him because Rags died.
Excuse me. But what kind of idiotic "logic" is that ? If he didn't manage to surpass Ragnos in more than 100 years when do you think that this would have happened ? He kneels down before Ragnos' "ionized air particles" and Kressh who is equally powerful even thinks that Ragnos has returned to destroy Sadow (at least he must have some reason to think that Ragnos would be able to do that).
No, It does not say anywhere that Ragnos is more powerful than both Sith Lords. Individually 1v1 he is better. The line "the most powerful of the most powerful" speaks for his individual comparison to another.
Again: If one of those two fears him enough to suggest that even his spirit is powerful enough to destroy one of them - what do you think a living Ragnos could do with them ?
And personally I don't see Ragnos losing the fight. Shimrra can't use the force, Ragnos is equal to the Supreme Overlord in terms of raw physical power but in contrary to Shimrra he can gain more physical strength and speed by using the force. This is still excluding the possibility that Ragnos might just bring down the entire enviroment down on the Vong. Shimrra is pretty much toast.
Kun did mostly have knowledge handed to him by Nadd and Sadow with the little difference that he didn't have centuries to exercise that knowledge like Sadow had who didn't manage to surpass Ragnos even with that amount of "training time". So can Kun be a threat to Ragnos ? He can't...
And we have DN Luke. Luke is strong, yes. But again Ragnos has at least a century more experience in fighting and force use compared to Luke not talking about the huge amount of fatal force attacks he knows. Can Luke defeat him ? I don't think so.
Now of course you have the three added up. Still Shimrra will go down pretty fast making this a two on one situation and while Kun and Luke are both exceptional duellists and force users, Ragnos might still be able to overcome them in a force fight or in a lightsaber duel. And I say might because Ragnos - even with all the statements we have about him - is still an unknown pretty much.
Nai, things here would involve:
When does age really matter in Star Wars? The young upstart is liable to win most of the time.
And Shimrra goes down fast? Shimrra is incredibly strong and fast with numerous bio weapons built right into him and he's invulnerable to the Force from Ragnos, there is no way he;ll 'go down fast.'
This is the problem: when people say Ragnos is unknown but them claim he could take on or even defeat these three absolute power houses. And if it ever came down to it, it's pretty much fact LFL has been pushing Luke above anyone else. We've seen Luke fight his way through an army and cut through hundreds if not thousands of warriors almost singlehandedly, he's been called a Maelstromen in the force, we know he's learned a gargantuan amount of powers and defenses in the force...I don't see Ragnos, who you acknowledge as an unknown taking him....hell, I'm dubious KJA-who's supposed to reply back to me any time now- would allow his precious Exar to lose to Ragnos.
True, Ragnos's spirit might've been strong there as he'd just died, but when he'd gotten a massive pick me up from the Sceptre, he was unable to affect Jaden.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Excuse me. But what kind of idiotic "logic" is that ? If he didn't manage to surpass Ragnos in more than 100 years when do you think that this would have happened ? He kneels down before Ragnos' "ionized air particles" and Kressh who is equally powerful even thinks that Ragnos has returned to destroy Sadow (at least he must have some reason to think that Ragnos would be able to do that).Again: If one of those two fears him enough to suggest that even his spirit is powerful enough to destroy one of them - what do you think a living Ragnos could do with them ?
And personally I don't see Ragnos losing the fight. Shimrra can't use the force, Ragnos is equal to the Supreme Overlord in terms of raw physical power but in contrary to Shimrra he can gain more physical strength and speed by using the force. This is still excluding the possibility that Ragnos might just bring down the entire enviroment down on the Vong. Shimrra is pretty much toast.
Kun did mostly have knowledge handed to him by Nadd and Sadow with the little difference that he didn't have centuries to exercise that knowledge like Sadow had who didn't manage to surpass Ragnos even with that amount of "training time". So can Kun be a threat to Ragnos ? He can't...
And we have DN Luke. Luke is strong, yes. But again Ragnos has at least a century more experience in fighting and force use compared to Luke not talking about the huge amount of fatal force attacks he knows. Can Luke defeat him ? I don't think so.
Now of course you have the three added up. Still Shimrra will go down pretty fast making this a two on one situation and while Kun and Luke are both exceptional duellists and force users, Ragnos might still be able to overcome them in a force fight or in a lightsaber duel. And I say might because Ragnos - even with all the statements we have about him - is still an unknown pretty much.
Were Sadow and Kressh even aware of this ghost trick technique? Did they know how powerful this ghost really is (Remember, they can't "sense" anything more than vague force potential)? Perhaps they, instictively, feared the unknown?
I'm having trouble seeing the, as you put it, ionized air particles of one Sith Lord beating the crap out of another living Sith Lord, regardless of reputation.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Nai, things here would involve:
When does age really matter in Star Wars? The young upstart is liable to win most of the time.And Shimrra goes down fast? Shimrra is incredibly strong and fast with numerous bio weapons built right into him and he's invulnerable to the Force from Ragnos, there is no way he;ll 'go down fast.'
This is the problem: when people say Ragnos is unknown but them claim he could take on or even defeat these three absolute power houses. And if it ever came down to it, it's pretty much fact LFL has been pushing Luke above anyone else. We've seen Luke fight his way through an army and cut through hundreds if not thousands of warriors almost singlehandedly, he's been called a Maelstromen in the force, we know he's learned a gargantuan amount of powers and defenses in the force...I don't see Ragnos, who you acknowledge as an unknown taking him.
As Nai said, Ragnos could use the force to enhance his agility among other things. We say he could take on 3 powerhouses because 2 incredibly powerful ancient sith who are arguably, or not, more powerful than everyone that came after them, feared and respected Ragnos, and didn't even attempt to kill him on his death bed. You can come up with whatever scenario you want to downplay this but the fact remains, he was more powerful than them both.. And those two are more powerful than Kun and Luke. You're again offering hyperbole such as "Maelstrom of force energy".. While that may have indeed have happened, it came from Jaina Solo who is as much of a fallible source as Kreia in KOTOR. Ragnos is described as incredible physical powers, and TERRIFYING and Titanic grasp of the dark side..
Not only that, we know Kressh worshipped the ground Ragnos walked on...Ragnos did make sure the Sith were too busy with their own political squabblings and personal issues to ever even question his rule-this seemed to have failed with Sadow. Like I said, Ludo was seriously devoted to Ragnos, even before the ghost appeared and Ragnos puts up with too much from Sadow, from his blatantly flaunting his last decree to basically telling him to go away and that his final statement means nothing...is it even certain that the DLOtS can be challenged once he is DLotS? Nadd fled for a reason, Sadow states that "All must obey the Dark Lord," and it's said he was the first to break away from the proper succesion ritual...hell, they were even forced to assassinate Dathka Graush.
And Naga's bowing could be taken as paying lip service to the Sith. Ragnos was quite admired and respected among the Sith and when they other lords are on their knees, if Naga wasn't, he'd be having some serious problems, considering Ludo commanded the loyalty of most of the Lords.
Ok, Td...how sudden or expected WAS Marka's death? And no, we don't know he's more powerful than those two and Luke almost certainly has more raw power than Marka. And Td, shut up about the maelstromen statement being hyperbole when all you cling is to a quote of 'tremendous power'
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Ok, Td...how sudden or expected WAS Marka's death? And no, we don't know he's more powerful than those two and Luke almost certainly has more raw power than Marka. And Td, shut up about the maelstromen statement being hyperbole when all you cling is to a quote of 'tremendous power'
How sudden or expected? He was dying of old age lightsnake what do you think? No, we KNOW he's more powerful than those two, he is the most powerful of the most powerful, how many times must I and everybody else say that til you can understand. They both BOWED to him while he was a spirit. Saying Luke has more raw power than Ragnos is ridiculous, if not pure unfounded speculation. Saying Ragnos, who had titanic strength and force powers, had more raw power than Luke IS logical. And no Lightsnake, I'm just describing what was said about Ragnos, him ruling for over a century untouched and being bowed down to as a spirit already speaks volumes about his strength, while your arguments consist of 99% hyperbole..
And the other Sith kenw he was dying? Prove it. And Ridiculous? Luke is the grandson of the Force itself and he's been said to have as much power in the force as his father who made more raw power than....anyone. "OMG! HE HAD TEH TREMDIZ POWAHHHH!!!"
Guess what? Luke and Palp's powers were described as incredible and titanic respectively.
You're an idiot, Td and you're the joke here. And everyone knows it. Your pathetic hypocrisy is going to be ignored from here on
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And the other Sith kenw he was dying? Prove it. And Ridiculous? Luke is the grandson of the Force itself and he's been said to have as much power in the force as his father who made more raw power than....anyone. "OMG! HE HAD TEH TREMDIZ POWAHHHH!!!"
Guess what? Luke and Palp's powers were described as incredible and titanic respectively.You're an idiot, Td and you're the joke here. And everyone knows it. Your pathetic hypocrisy is going to be ignored from here on
Translation: I'm in denial about being shunned from here, I'm always wrong, I continuously argue with facts to boost my characters, and I do not know how to debate.. Way to go lightsnake, keep up the good work.. Btw I've read your post and I'm ignoring it due to utter stupidity. Let me know when someone with half a brain takes you seriously.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
And the other Sith kenw he was dying? Prove it. And Ridiculous? Luke is the grandson of the Force itself and he's been said to have as much power in the force as his father who made more raw power than....anyone. "OMG! HE HAD TEH TREMDIZ POWAHHHH!!!"
Guess what? Luke and Palp's powers were described as incredible and titanic respectively.
I am sure your posts are amusing to the intelligent people on this forum so for the sake of amusement I'll try to answer your ridiculous post.. You bring up the dumbest points here. Ragnos ruled his whole life untouched, PERIOD.. Everyone can interpret that the right way, you have problems because it diminishes your character.. Ragnos was more powerful than Sadow AND Kressh PERIOD. This has been etsablished as a fact, regardless of denial or fanboyism. Luke was described as becoming what Anakin should have become. He was NOT described as having the same potential, he had less, which was still enormous but irrelevant in a vs. duel, as you always fail to realize.. And Luke and Palp's powers were never described as titanic, nor terrifying. And stop bringing Sidious into this thread, it's getting old.