Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did."And perhaps more importantly, "I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."
There's more evidence suggesting he didn't have that power than that suggesting he did. He beat Molecule Man once, and couldn't even fix his mistakes without Reece's assistance. That doesn't scream "He's more powerful than Molecule Man, no ifs, ands, or buts" to me. The fact that Void is, was, and never has been shown to be in control only further cements that.
Who did Void really defeat that Prime couldn't?
so rapestomping MM means hes not more powerful?...how do u figure?
Originally posted by carver9
No reason to ask since we clearly seen what happened. 😕
It's what he said in the interview. *shrugs*
I personally don't see the logic in accepting his word at face value when he says something like Void can only be killed when he wants to die, and yet ignoring him when he suggests that Void didn't have the power of Molecule Man and was never in control of himself to begin with. He beat Molecule Man, sure, but outside of that single one feat, he hasn't done anything that puts him on Molecule Man's level.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNo limits to the Void so I do believe he rips him in half. Loki went bye byes as well with the norn stone amp.
Because Ares=Prime. 🙄
Originally posted by Tattoos N ScarsPrime's 'powerful yeah but his blows won't do anything to the Void other than annoy him so what's the point?
In the Takion vs Prime thread, you saidSo, retcon punches are ok here.
But, not faster than Glads, huh?
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I was basically meaning he punches him to death. I don't argue he retcons the character he is fighting to beat him. Prime has hit many characters and only retconned one because of the events happening in the dcu at the time.
He doesn't have faster travel speed than Glads, no.
Prime can hang in there with many characters but fighting the Void physically will get him nowhere. Void is more powerful and can reform while Prime cannot. He's also afraid of darkness so hello dark tendrils come meet Prime.
Originally posted by SlaaneshOnly if the Void doesn't want to come back so at his best he stomps Prime.
Prime punch Void so hard that it shatter the fabric of reality and mess up Void control over his body and can't reform or come back to life..
Originally posted by Lord FeronExactly.
gonna have to agree. Prime is a amazing flying brick. But no matter how strong a brick is he is still a brick and tbh a brick aint gonna do shit to void.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's what he said in the interview. *shrugs*I personally don't see the logic in accepting his word at face value when he says something like Void can only be killed when he wants to die, and yet ignoring him when he suggests that Void didn't have the power of Molecule Man and was never in control of himself to begin with. He beat Molecule Man, sure, but outside of that single one feat, he hasn't done anything that puts him on Molecule Man's level.
I agree, he isnt on Molecule Mans level when it comes to controlling molecules but what Sentry did was defeat him AND surprise him. I agree, Molecule man is the best at that game but Sentry just basically over powered him (which he is capable of).
Not saying that Sentry can create and uncreate like MM can but it was clear as day that Sentry over powered him easily.
Its also pretty clear that Sentry wanted to die if you looked at everything he took before. The guy was blown up by MM into small pieces, blown up again during the time he was aiding doom, melted in the sun, etc... but Thor kills him with a hit... 😕 , come on now Jake, I know you can see the light. Its pretty obvious Thor didnt have the power to put Sentry down and its also pretty obvious that Void LET that happen.
Originally posted by carver9Bendis already stated this so anyone who denies this is biased.
I agree, he isnt on Molecule Mans level when it comes to controlling molecules but what Sentry did was defeat him AND surprise him. I agree, Molecule man is the best at that game but Sentry just basically over powered him (which he is capable of).Not saying that Sentry can create and uncreate like MM can but it was clear as day that Sentry over powered him easily.
Its also pretty clear that Sentry wanted to die if you looked at everything he took before. The guy was blown up by MM into small pieces, blown up again during the time he was aiding doom, melted in the sun, etc... but Thor kills him with a hit... 😕 , come on now Jake, I know you can see the light. Its pretty obvious Thor didnt have the power to put Sentry down and its also pretty obvious that Void LET that happen.
Originally posted by carver9
I agree, he isnt on Molecule Mans level when it comes to controlling molecules but what Sentry did was defeat him AND surprise him. I agree, Molecule man is the best at that game but Sentry just basically over powered him (which he is capable of).Not saying that Sentry can create and uncreate like MM can but it was clear as day that Sentry over powered him easily.
Its also pretty clear that Sentry wanted to die if you looked at everything he took before. The guy was blown up by MM into small pieces, blown up again during the time he was aiding doom, melted in the sun, etc... but Thor kills him with a hit... 😕 , come on now Jake, I know you can see the light. Its pretty obvious Thor didnt have the power to put Sentry down and its also pretty obvious that Void LET that happen.
Right.
He has the edge in raw power. That's about it.
Ok? He wanted to die and couldn't do it on his own so Thor ended his wretched life for him. He might be functionally immortal in that sense, but his limits were clearly taxed when Iron Man dropped a helicarrier on him. The damage he was taking was enough to revert Void into plain old Bob. I don't see how anyone can try to deny or twist that into something it's not. Thor would kick Sentry's ass. Void is another story.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankSentry and Void are the same person. Sentry beats Thor and the Void does as well.
Right.He has the edge in raw power. That's about it.
Ok? He wanted to die and couldn't do it on his own so Thor ended his wretched life for him. He might be functionally immortal in that sense, but his limits were clearly taxed when Iron Man dropped a helicarrier on him. The damage he was taking was enough to revert Void into plain old Bob. I don't see how anyone can try to deny or twist that into something it's not. Thor would kick Sentry's ass. Void is another story.
He wasn't taxed bob came out and weakened his mind. If bob didn't the void will just keep on wrecking them.
Time and time again the Sentry is described as having no limits so you acting like he has limits is being biased. Also, Sentry's received far more damage than the helicarrier but this event seemed to luckily draw out bob which was the only reason the heroes prevailed.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Right.He has the edge in raw power. That's about it.
Ok? He wanted to die and couldn't do it on his own so Thor ended his wretched life for him. He might be functionally immortal in that sense, but his limits were clearly taxed when Iron Man dropped a helicarrier on him. The damage he was taking was enough to revert Void into plain old Bob. I don't see how anyone can try to deny or twist that into something it's not. Thor would kick Sentry's ass. Void is another story.
Yes, he had the edge and thats why MM lost.
LOL, I agree, Thor would kick Sentry ass and I also agree that his power was taxed but you also have to add up everything that he went through before his power level came to that point.
Thor on his own wouldnt be able to take a fresh void, not in his dreams. Hell, we still dont even have an indication on how powerful Void is since so much happened to him during his time fighting the avengers and before but if you look at everything and add it up, it is pretty obvious that he is FAR above high herald unless again, you are in denial.
I really dont know where to put him but I know he isnt sky father level. I am pretty sure he will show up again in the future.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry and Void are the same person. Sentry beats Thor and the Void does as well.He wasn't taxed bob came out and weakened his mind. If bob didn't the void will just keep on wrecking them.
Time and time again the Sentry is described as having no limits so you acting like he has limits is being biased. Also, Sentry's received far more damage than the helicarrier but this event seemed to luckily draw out bob which was the only reason the heroes prevailed.
Don't play dumb. You know what I mean. Sentry as he was before tapping into the Void aspect of his personality would get his ass kicked by Thor. WWH Sentry included.
What the hell? Void took a massive explosion and when the smoke cleared, Bob was there, and he didn't know WTF happened. And you're going to deny it was Void being pushed beyond what he could handle? The lulz, they consume me.
Sentry has no limits except when he does. Using your own Quan logic that Void and Sentry are the same person, Sentry being controlled by Venus, having his power drained by Harrow's device, and being messed up with a Cosmic Cube amped Creel show that much. Hell, even that MM feat that you like to hype shows him having limits as he can't even undo Reece's work on his own. So fail there.
I like how you dismiss Void's feats when they don't suit you.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, he had the edge and thats why MM lost.LOL, I agree, Thor would kick Sentry ass and I also agree that his power was taxed but you also have to add up everything that he went through before his power level came to that point.
Thor on his own wouldnt be able to take a fresh void, not in his dreams. Hell, we still dont even have an indication on how powerful Void is since so much happened to him during his time fighting the avengers and before but if you look at everything and add it up, it is pretty obvious that he is FAR above high herald unless again, you are in denial.
I really dont know where to put him but I know he isnt sky father level. I am pretty sure he will show up again in the future.
Ok.
Nice to know you're not drinking the Void Kool Aid.
I didn't say he did or could.
Again, nice to know you're not drinking the Void Kool Aid.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankNot a chance in hell. You want to take the Sentry pre dark avengers and act like he's weak or something. Terrax, holding cc, taking on Photon while Genis himself took on King Thor, and burning out the WW Hulk.
Don't play dumb. You know what I mean. Sentry as he was before tapping into the Void aspect of his personality would get his ass kicked by Thor. WWH Sentry included.What the hell? Void took a massive explosion and when the smoke cleared, Bob was there, and he didn't know WTF happened. And you're going to deny it was Void being pushed beyond what he could handle? The lulz, they consume me.
Sentry has no limits except when he does. Using your own Quan logic that Void and Sentry are the same person, Sentry being controlled by Venus, having his power drained by Harrow's device, and being messed up with a Cosmic Cube amped Creel show that much. Hell, even that MM feat that you like to hype shows him having limits as he can't even undo Reece's work on his own. So fail there.
I like how you dismiss Void's feats when they don't suit you.
Hulk took on Thor in berserker mode and still wasn't burned out at all and fought for an hour. Sentry also wanted to lose and that's the only reason it happened yet again.
It wasn't it was just Bob coming to the fold as he is highly unstable and this is what was needed for the heroes to have a chance.
Sentry has no limits it's his guilt and mindset which lowers him. That's always been stated the Void is the more competent, ruthless side of him so of course he appears more formidable less to no guilt.
I am not saying the Sentry can't be attacked and what not but it's all due to his guilt levels. CC amped creel? LOL. Yeah, that's not a powerful creel is it?
What have I dismissed?
Void stomps here. There is nothing Prime can do.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not a chance in hell. You want to take the Sentry pre dark avengers and act like he's weak or something. Terrax, holding cc, taking on Photon while Genis himself took on King Thor, and burning out the WW Hulk.Hulk took on Thor in berserker mode and still wasn't burned out at all and fought for an hour. Sentry also wanted to lose and that's the only reason it happened yet again.
It wasn't it was just Bob coming to the fold as he is highly unstable and this is what was needed for the heroes to have a chance.
Sentry has no limits it's his guilt and mindset which lowers him. That's always been stated the Void is the more competent, ruthless side of him so of course he appears more formidable less to no guilt.
I am not saying the Sentry can't be attacked and what not but it's all due to his guilt levels. CC amped creel? LOL. Yeah, that's not a powerful creel is it?
What have I dismissed?
Void stomps here. There is nothing Prime can do.
Maybe if you want to use Sentry's "good" showings and ignore his other showings. Thor's best showings, without amps, exceed Sentry's, let's get that out of the way right now.
lol at the "Sentry wanted to lose" argument. I guess he wanted to get kicked in the balls by Herc, be reduced to a crying mess by Iron Man, get owned by Shulkie, and toasted by Human Torch, too.
He has no limits...except his guilt and mindset. Hmmm. SOUNDS LIKE LIMITS TO ME! He's never been in control of himself, even when he says he was, because, like Bendis says, he's crazy. LIMITATIONS, ME THINKS!
What have you dismissed? On panel scans, logic, critical thinking, etc.