Originally posted by Bardock42
You are joking right...lets test something, I get a loaded gun you a knife and we will see who is down first....guns have only one purpose...to kill.....and don't say "Nah you can also turn your TV on with it...YOU CAN'T...it#s a damn Cartoon".
It's not about who has the best weapon in a fight Bardock. It's about criminal human nature that kills people. Back in Ancient Rome did they had guns to kill? No, they had swords...did they ban swords and people stop killing each other?
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It's not about who has the best weapon in a fight Bardock. It's about criminal human nature that kills people. Back in Ancient Rome did they had guns to kill? No, they had swords...did they ban swords and people stop killing each other?
Oh well, I could certainly keep arguing, but it just happens that I am against gun bans, so that would be pointless.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, that's nonsense speculation. There isn't a shred of evidence to suggest that armed citizens reduce crime- quite the contrary, in fact.And addressing the issue of gun legality is a vital part of addressing the general issue of gun culture which is by far and away the largest reason behind the absolutely insane US gun crime rate.
The US has to accept that either its citizens are more gun-psychotic by nature or that the free supply of guns is causing an enormous problem.
Either way, the pressure is on for the issue to be dealt with and very few soruces can see that happening without gun control.
The US is on the defensive here simply because their gun rate is so utterly ludicrous. It is a big black mark against their country that brings great disapproval from other places.
What your point also ignores is that the general and liberal availability of guns in the US in turn feeds a massive increase in the supply of illegal arms too.
Err, no, how do you figure it's the contrary?? If getting a gun illegally is illegal in the first place...adding another law to make them more illegal is going to do what? Nothing. The criminal will still have a way to get an illegal gun. Yet, the normal citizen is restriced to having no gun to protect themselves.
How many robbers do you think would be deterred by the thought of being shot by a regular citizen? "Hmm, do i try to take this guy's $50, knowing there is a higher possibility that this guy will shoot me in the face?" Or what about rapists who can't rape a woman because she can shoot his balls off? No, that wouldn't deter a criminal at all 🙄
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Err, no, how do you figure it's the contrary?? If getting a gun illegally is illegal in the first place...adding another law to make them more illegal is going to do what? Nothing. The criminal will still have a way to get an illegal gun. Yet, the normal citizen is restriced to having no gun to protect themselves.How many robbers do you think would be deterred by the thought of being shot by a regular citizen? "Hmm, do i try to take this guy's $50, knowing there is a higher possibility that this guy will shoot me in the face?" Or what about rapists who can't rape a woman because she can shoot his balls off? No, that wouldn't deter a criminal at all 🙄
Shooting someone that robs you in the face is also a crime.
Originally posted by UshgarakActually, yes, especially if the government becomes oppresive. That is why we have the right to bear arms in the first place. (U.S. anyway).
And having guns is a means of freeing yourself from them?
To add to this, illegalizing guns will only leave criminals with them. Sure, they'd be harder to get, but if drugs can be smuggled and are everywhere, so can guns. Criminals are already breaking the law, why would they suddenly start following them?
Originally posted by NineCoronas
Actually, yes, especially if the government becomes oppresive. That is why we have the right to bear arms in the first place. (U.S. anyway).To add to this, illegalizing guns will only leave criminals with them. Sure, they'd be harder to get, but if drugs can be smuggled and are everywhere, so can guns. Criminals are already breaking the law, why would they suddenly start following them?
Nah, if you didn't have guns the queen of england could come to your home and push you around.....god, the mentality of some Americans amazes me.