Originally posted by Bardock42
Maybe give him your money...and well...not kill someone?I mean seriously, chances are you get killed trying to protect yourself....
Because someone willing to rob people deserves to get away and keep robbing people.
And I'd like to know how you figured that second bit out.
Originally posted by debbiejo
I would kill.Though here in the US, if someone breaks into your house you just can't shoot them?........what the heck is that about.........you have to prove intent on bodily harm??
In the US? Hell no, if someone trespasses into your home you can do whatever you want to them, as long as it's reasonable to what they are doing. I.E. if some kid trespasses to get a ball, give him the ball and kick him out. If someone trespasses and starts robbing your home, you can beat them until they cant get away. If someone tries to harm you, then you can kill them out of self defense.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Because someone willing to rob people deserves to get away and keep robbing people.And I'd like to know how you figured that second bit out.
I even made a picture to show you
Originally posted by ArachnoidfreakNooo....Not from some of the cases I've read about.........you have to prove bodily harm.......otherwise, they could sue you....
In the US? Hell no, if someone trespasses into your home you can do whatever you want to them, as long as it's reasonable to what they are doing. I.E. if some kid trespasses to get a ball, give him the ball and kick him out. If someone trespasses and starts robbing your home, you can beat them until they cant get away. If someone tries to harm you, then you can kill them out of self defense.
Originally posted by Bardock42I am not sure if you are trying to convey trust in world governments or distrust.
Oh they do, and I am all for guns...but oppressive government...put down with guns of the people....ha....haha....you are serious?
Originally posted by debbiejoNot if they're dead. It's only your story if someone enters your home and you and kill them for it. Though you're right, we have some f*cked laws in our country that allow that kind of thing.
Nooo....Not from some of the cases I've read about.........you have to prove bodily harm.......otherwise, they could sue you....
Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay lets see...Robber walks with a gun at you, you think "I will shoot him so I don't get robbed" ....he shoots you first...I even made a picture to show you
LOL that was awesome.
One of the "reasons" with the right to bear arms is if say that criminal pulled a gun on you and say someone walked by and noticed, they pulled out their gun and took care of the offender. Lol I wouldn't say it benefits someone in a "draw." (This is what people use for discussion today and I realize it wasn't nec. the original intent)
Originally posted by debbiejo
Nooo....Not from some of the cases I've read about.........you have to prove bodily harm.......otherwise, they could sue you....
Im aware that a burgalar can get away with that in the UK...but Ive never heard of that happening in the US.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Okay lets see...Robber walks with a gun at you, you think "I will shoot him so I don't get robbed" ....he shoots you first...I even made a picture to show you
You lack some serious self defense knowledge if you think that's what would happen every time. It'd happen if the person was stupid enough not to MOVE before pulling out his gun t defend himself.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
You lack some serious self defense knowledge if you think that's what would happen every time. It'd happen if the person was stupid enough not to MOVE before pulling out his gun t defend himself.
It was a very simplistic example. The point is if you try to defend yourself with a gun you put yourself in a more dangerous situation than you were before.
No wonder you have an unreasonable amount of gun deaths.
Originally posted by Bardock42Or, you give them the money, and they kill you anyway. I really do prefer the chance to kill them first.
It was a very simplistic example. The point is if you try to defend yourself with a gun you put yourself in a more dangerous situation than you were before.
No wonder you have an unreasonable amount of gun deaths.
Originally posted by NineCoronas
Or, you give them the money, and they kill you anyway. I really do prefer the chance to kill them first.
That is possible but certainly less likely, don't you think?
Also, if they shoot you whole you are trying to protect yourself they can claim self defense as well, can't they?
Originally posted by Bardock42Yes. So? If that happens, it happens. If you get mugged though, chances are it won't be in broad daylight with a bunch of people around, so it'll be your word against his... which means, you can just as easily kill him and then there is only a single story. Cruel, I know, but true.
That is possible but certainly less likely, don't you think?Also, if they shoot you whole you are trying to protect yourself they can claim self defense as well, can't they?
Also, there are points that I would prefer to own a gun for home defense than mostly anything else. I'd probably only carry a knife on me when out in public, but I won't be packing around a 9mm Barretta or Glock for 'street safe-keeping'. If someone enters my house, I will kill them if they're uninvited guests, just because I see so much shit about people getting murdered/kidnapped in their own homes.
Originally posted by NineCoronas
Yes. So? If that happens, it happens. If you get mugged though, chances are it won't be in broad daylight with a bunch of people around, so it'll be your word against his... which means, you can just as easily kill him and then there is only a single story. Cruel, I know, but true.Also, there are points that I would prefer to own a gun for home defense than mostly anything else. I'd probably only carry a knife on me when out in public, but I won't be packing around a 9mm Barretta or Glock for 'street safe-keeping'. If someone enters my house, I [b]will
kill them if they're uninvited guests, just because I see so much shit about people getting murdered/kidnapped in their own homes. [/B]
No, that's not the point. I don't deny you the right to protect yourself. I'm jsut saying that it is much more possible to get killed in that case. So, I wouldn't risk that, if you' do, fine with me.
And ****...you Americans are ****ing crazy, I think I will stay here in Europe where when you get robbed, you survive and don't have to kill someone.